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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 13, 2021 14:03:21 GMT -5
12. Lois Lane and Comet the Super Horse I originally considered Lois and Superman, but Superman is a total jerk to her for decades, constantly gaslighting her with cruel tricks. He's literally the worst. But Lois is great. I want Lois to be happy. And though over the years she found temporary happiness with everyone from a condemned death row inmate to Satan himself, I think her best relationship was that one time she got into some code-approved bestiality by having a fling with Comet the Super Horse. In this story we learn that Comet was originally a centaur named Biron before a wizard or something cursed him by turning him into a full horse. Lois herself is then transformed as well - first into a centaur, and then into a super horse. Along the way, there's even a period where Biron is turned into a human being. And in all three forms, it's pure romance between Lois and her new favorite steed.  Alas, Superman eventually does something to turn her back into a human, while also erasing her memory of her time with Biron, so Lois loses her one true love to another of Superman's cruel tricks, and is stuck as his side piece once again. This story also has the bonus element of setting up the creepiest love-quadrangle in all literature. Lois is into both Superman and Super-Horse. Super-Horse is into both Lois and Supergirl. Superman is into both Lois and, as we learn in one terrible story, Supergirl, who he wants to marry but can't because she's his cousin. And then there's poor Supergirl who has no interest in any of these freaks and just wants to be left alone. Love in the Weisinger era!!
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 13, 2021 14:21:02 GMT -5
12. Steven & TaraSteven Russell & Tara Torres Murder Me Dead #1-9 By David Lapham El Capitan, 2000-2001 I read the rules a few times to check this. This is not my favorite couple in comics: this is an extremely toxic couple. But they were a favorite to read about. The rest of the entries on this list will be people I think make good couples (and one pair who will hopefully couple up some day), but I figured one toxic couple would be good to throw into the mix. Joker and Harley were also considered. She's better off without him. In this case, he's better off without her.  The setup is that he's had a crush on her since high school, and she's no good. She's out to scam him, to take advantage of him. She takes all his money, frames him for murder, and generally uses and abuses him. And he keeps forgiving her and wanting to be with her. She yells at him about how pathetic he is. And she's right. He is pathetic. Very pathetic... but in ways that are uncomfortably familiar. What's very sad is there's this other girl Barbara. She'd kind of like Midge from the movie Vertigo. She a good girl who is way nicer to Steven than he deserves. She clearly actually cares for him and is the girl he should be dating. But he takes her entirely for granted, while pursuing what Tara correctly notes is "a little boy's fantasy".  Steven makes me so angry to read about... but I know who I'm really mad at.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 13, 2021 15:57:12 GMT -5
For my first day of Classic Comic Christmas I went with the one pick on my list that only just fits the theme by high decree... The Will They Won't They Relationship of Usagi and Tomoe Ame This pairing is last on my list not due to my lack of interest in it...but more because it only just makes it under the theme as although Tomoe and Usagi have such great chemistry and there are several stories that seem to lead towards them being together...they never actually get there! And though the relationship is one that is never consummated(well, some people think they might have more than tea together but that's something else!) the drama between them in their meetings and the stolen glances and coy remarks like the one above about Usagi settling down always made for fantastic reading. I'm not usually a fan of romance plots but there are some stories like Tomoe's Story and the Mother of the Mountains were the subtext of a relationship really does heighten my love of the story. |
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 13, 2021 17:59:15 GMT -5
For my first day of Classic Comic Christmas I went with the one pick on my list that only just fits the theme by high decree... The Will They Won't They Relationship of Usagi and Tomoe AmeThis pairing is last on my list not due to my lack of interest in it...but more because it only just makes it under the theme as although Tomoe and Usagi have such great chemistry and there are several stories that seem to lead towards them being together...they never actually get there! And though the relationship is one that is never consummated(well, some people think they might have more than tea together but that's something else!) the drama between them in their meetings and the stolen glances and coy remarks like the one above about Usagi settling down always made for fantastic reading. I'm not usually a fan of romance plots but there are some stories like Tomoe's Story and the Mother of the Mountains were the subtext of a relationship really does heighten my love of the story. Interesting choice... I wonder if they will show up again... |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 13, 2021 18:12:14 GMT -5
Wow, so this is not at all what I expected... I would say a majority of these I've never seen before... that's good, got some stuff to look up (As soon as I post this I'm going to go find 'Ironwood'.. I had no idea that existed). I thought about Usagi and Tomoe, but it's not REALLY a relationship, its only one that SHOULD happen...but I love it in here. I also had no idea Blondie was so long running, or had so many iterations, I just always new it as a joke strip with Dagwood being the generic lazy husband. Very interesting. Anyway, my pick: Natasha Irons and 'Boris'  Priest was at the top of his game with Steel, IMO, he took a fun character that was probably destined for wall paper and made him amazing. I mean...Dr. Villain? (It's Vill-ane!)... and of course, he made Natasha Irons. Instead of just be a prop and/or an occasional Damsel in distress, Natasha because a smart, funny, over-the-top yet somehow still realistic main attraction. Her 'Boris' (Paul at first, but others later) was a brilliant thing.. at first a bit of a brush off, then later a pet name, and finally a shield against heart break. EVen with alot of humor,the serious human moments were just as great. |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 13, 2021 18:59:48 GMT -5
For my first day of Classic Comic Christmas I went with the one pick on my list that only just fits the theme by high decree... The Will They Won't They Relationship of Usagi and Tomoe AmeThis pairing is last on my list not due to my lack of interest in it...but more because it only just makes it under the theme as although Tomoe and Usagi have such great chemistry and there are several stories that seem to lead towards them being together...they never actually get there! And though the relationship is one that is never consummated(well, some people think they might have more than tea together but that's something else!) the drama between them in their meetings and the stolen glances and coy remarks like the one above about Usagi settling down always made for fantastic reading. I'm not usually a fan of romance plots but there are some stories like Tomoe's Story and the Mother of the Mountains were the subtext of a relationship really does heighten my love of the story. Interesting choice... I wonder if they will show up again... I doubt it. No one follows Usagi around these parts. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 13, 2021 19:27:03 GMT -5
12. Lois Lane and Comet the Super Horse Uh... was he hung like a , never mind.  |
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Post by foxley on Dec 13, 2021 19:37:13 GMT -5
Wow, so this is not at all what I expected... I would say a majority of these I've never seen before... that's good, got some stuff to look up (As soon as I post this I'm going to go find 'Ironwood'.. I had no idea that existed). Eros collected it as pair of graphic novels so it shouldn't be too hard to find. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 19:37:14 GMT -5
oh my. . it's starting.. and I'm not ready! ok. .will give it a shot. my #12 - which actually started way up higher on my list, but then moved down here and there as I realized as much as I love them together? there are others that I just have to rank higher. so coming in at #12 is:  Ayla Ranzz (Lightning Lass) and Salu Digby (Shrinking Violet) when the Legion launched in the Baxter series, there was a lot of "subtext" surrounding Ayla & Salu's interactions - especially when Ayla was tourtured into her original powers triggering back, and she was suddenly Lightning Lass again. She and Vi were always friendly in the pages of the Baxter Books. . but there was always the undercurrent of "hmmmmm. . . is there something more there?" - especially in the eyes of LGBTQ readers. Many, like myself, who saw Ayla refusing to take back her long time boyfriend Brin(Timber Wolf), and a super awkward pass made at Magnetic Kid:  Violet had been front and center in the book thanks to her sudden breakup from Duplicate Boy and her Marriage to Colossal Boy. . .but that turned out to be (decades ago Spoiler Alert) Yera (a Durlan) impersonating Violet. I didn't know what the subtext was trying to tell me for sure. . but I TOTALLY got that Ayla was projecting "slut" energy because she had been thru a massive change, and was confused about herself. And at the same time, Violet had also gone thru a massive betrayal (almost none of her friends in the Legion had noticed it wasn't her with Colossal Boy) and once rescued, she had a lot of things to go thru as well. so when Vi and Ayla were shown to be friendly in some pages of the Legion Baxter book? I totally got it. Of course, I had no idea what "shipping" was back then. . . .but in my mind, Ayla wasn't completely straight, and I just knew that Ayla/Vi belonged together as a couple. . .even if DC would NEVER do that. imagine my shock when the "5 Years Later" launch happened. . and Ayla/Vi were a couple. So clearly, I wasn't imagining things.  ok, so it wasn't the out, gay, couple I'd always wanted in the Legion (tho every Legion fan really knows that Invisible Kid 1 was gay). so . . yes. . they are my #12. it was historic, and I loved them together, and the writers really kept them together across several series for many years (tho have no idea on currently, since I'm not reading Bendis' version of the Legion).
(edit to add. . I really would have loved to have Jan (Element Lad) and Shvaughn Erin on my list. . but ultimately decided that violated the rules, since Shvaughn used a potion to become a woman when he began dating Jan. . so even tho Jan didn't care ultimately - he's pansexual in the 80's/90's Legion book).. the trickery that rightly kicked off many conversations about if what Shvaughn did was "legal" as it comes awful close to non-consenting encounter, as Jan didn't know he was with a man at the time).
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Dec 13, 2021 19:39:39 GMT -5
12. Zenelle and Sleek ( The Atomics #'s 1-15) Zenelle is a gruesome looking alien "from a female tribe that interbreeds with males from other planets, creating the universe's ultimate melting pot." If that's not bad enough, after mating they eat their victims. Zenelle comes to Earth and kidnaps a teenage beatnik named Sleek and in the process infects his fellow beatniks with alien spores that cause them to mutate horribly (think the worst case of acne as imagined by David Cronenberg).  Mike Allred goes full body horror in his depictions of Zenelle's hideous visage and the mutated beatniks' grotesque transformations. But amidst all of these monstrous bodies (by way of Fifites/Sixties sci-fi flicks and Lee/Kirby-era FF) lay the seeds for something greater. In the end, Zenelle and Sleek fall in love, she renounces her tribe's peculiar form of intergalactic colonization, and they even have a son together. ![]()  By this point the beatniks have realized that their initial mutation was simply the first phase in their bodies becoming super-powered. The parallel love story and the superhero group origin story illustrate that what at first sight might seem horrible is in fact the catalyst for something beautiful. As a student of Silver Age Marvel, Allred has learned his lessons well: we may think that what we see in the mirror is unlovable but, when all is said and done, true love is blind.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 19:39:43 GMT -5
Wow, so this is not at all what I expected... I would say a majority of these I've never seen before... that's good, got some stuff to look up (As soon as I post this I'm going to go find 'Ironwood'.. I had no idea that existed). Eros collected it as pair of graphic novels so it shouldn't be too hard to find. absolutely. . it's actually available on Amazon (search for Ironwood Vol 1. Or you can search for EROS Graphic Album series) and they will come up. Willingham was *brilliant* on these. . and I was buying and supporting it at the same time that I was picking up his Elementals book (these were way before he started working on Fables) |
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Post by foxley on Dec 13, 2021 19:40:54 GMT -5
ok, so it wasn't the out, gay, couple I'd always wanted in the Legion (tho every Legion fan really knows that Invisible Kid 1 was gay). I always thought it was Element Lad who was gay.  |
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Post by foxley on Dec 13, 2021 19:43:31 GMT -5
Eros collected it as pair of graphic novels so it shouldn't be too hard to find. absolutely. . it's actually available on Amazon (search for Ironwood Vol 1. Or you can search for EROS Graphic Album series) and they will come up. Willingham was *brilliant* on these. . and I was buying and supporting it at the same time that I was picking up his Elementals book (these were way before he started working on Fables) And Fantasia Faust actually first appeared in Elementals. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 19:49:48 GMT -5
ok, so it wasn't the out, gay, couple I'd always wanted in the Legion (tho every Legion fan really knows that Invisible Kid 1 was gay). I always thought it was Element Lad who was gay. the fandom wanted that too. . but it's pretty universally agreed that it was Invisible Kid 1 (Lyle Norg) who was the gay one. (and that he was secretly dating Chemical King. . but way back then they couldn't show or even imply that) (or maybe I'm thinking Ferro lad? . . .no . . trust my instincts on saying it was Lyle)  haha. . went and checked. . took just literally a second for it to pop up: lgbtqia-characters.fandom.com/wiki/Lyle_Norg_(Post-Zero_Hour)I did edit my post to go back and note why I didn't pick Jan/Shauvhn as a couple on my list tho. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 13, 2021 19:58:43 GMT -5
12. Thanos and DeathTalk about your toxic relationship. From the very beginning of the Thanos saga , he has had a hooded figure hanging around. Of course it's revealed to Death , Whom he loves. Does she love him back? Is she manipulating him? It is at the same time, a perverse and very fascinating relationship.  At the end of the Captain Marvel saga he dies and she is celebratory, What a B@#$h !  They also have other flings with in the Infinity Gauntlet series and when he is killed yet again in the Annihilation series in 2006. It is revealed in the 2013 Thanos rising series that he has always been “ courting” her. But you know what they say, Love is grand. ![]()
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