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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2021 7:07:21 GMT -5
How could you, sir? How could you?!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 4, 2021 8:05:34 GMT -5
I think just 'Justice League' nowadays... 'JLA' is a better acronym, but it doesn't make sense, as previous stated... they're not even based in the US anymore, but in space at the Watchtower (or did Bendis change that?)
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Post by tarkintino on Dec 5, 2021 12:20:02 GMT -5
I've never had an issue with the "...of America" part of the title; at the time of their founding, the members lived in the U.S. and unofficially represented what some would call "American-ism" and/or a Western (through the lens of American ideology) approach to justice. Similar to Captain America, who fights all over the world, but his name and image are representations of an American philosophy--at least one he's striving to live up to through his actions.
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Post by SJNeal on Dec 6, 2021 20:53:28 GMT -5
I think just 'Justice League' nowadays... 'JLA' is a better acronym, but it doesn't make sense, as previous stated... they're not even based in the US anymore, but in space at the Watchtower (or did Bendis change that?) They're actually based back on Earth as of Scott Snyder's run, in the Hall of Justice (or were; it just got destroyed a couple issues ago).
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Post by Farrar on Dec 13, 2021 0:15:21 GMT -5
From the letter column of 1962's Justice League America #10 (the issue with that unforgettable "Fantastic Fingers of Felix Faust" cover): Fwiw here's Schwartz /DC's response
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Post by berkley on Dec 13, 2021 1:58:49 GMT -5
"Allegiance"? I was thinking "residence", which would be a little more neutral. Allegiance sounds pretty political but I suppose we have to take into account that this was at the height of the Cold War.
It's normal that American superhero comics would usually have an American focus - American settings and characters - just like Japanese manga mostly has Japanese settings and characters. But when it gets political and we start hearing words like allegiance, I won't deny that is a big turn-off for me and always has been. Which, I would say, is normal for an "international" reader, or however you want to put it.
Not that I haven't enjoyed reading more than a few Captain America comics in my time. As usual, there's little consistency in emotional or gut reactions of this kind.
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 13, 2021 4:19:32 GMT -5
"Allegiance"? I was thinking "residence", which would be a little more neutral. Allegiance sounds pretty political but I suppose we have to take into account that this was at the height of the Cold War. It's normal that American superhero comics would usually have an American focus - American settings and characters - just like Japanese manga mostly has Japanese settings and characters. But when it gets political and we start hearing words like allegiance, I won't deny that is a big turn-off for me and always has been. Which, I would say, is normal for an "international" reader, or however you want to put it. Not that I haven't enjoyed reading more than a few Captain America comics in my time. As usual, there's little consistency in emotional or gut reactions of this kind. I used the term allegiance specifically because the OP compared the term to the United States Navy and the British Army, both cases where the name states an explicit political connection.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 4:50:47 GMT -5
Allegiance didn't mean the same thing back then compared to how it might come across today. When we used to say "I pledge allegiance to the flag" in our classrooms back in the day, it never felt like a political statement but more of an appreciation and a sense of pride and belonging. My "allegiance" to the USA was more like that's my home and I need to do my best to be a good citizen (versus an agenda against other nations).
I'm not really hung up one way or the other if modern comics want to not use the America in JLA, but I just read the classic material and it will always be the JLA to me. Much as it was never the "Avengers of America" and that was OK too.
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Post by brutalis on Dec 13, 2021 9:58:21 GMT -5
Have to agree with supercat as in my head or when talking about them I refer to the team as JLA. Shorthand way I grew up when referring to them, same with JSA. Just so naturally rolls off the tongue and EVERYONE knows I am referencing the League.
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Post by tonebone on Dec 13, 2021 10:12:02 GMT -5
There's a company called "Tom's of Maine". They make toothpaste. You can use it anywhere in the world. Not limited to Maine. But they are FROM MAINE.
Justice League of America makes sense to me. They are from America. Yes, there'a a Martian, a Thymiscerian, a Kryptonian, etc. but they all call America home.
By the way, I'm talking classic JLA... you know, the first 50 years or so. The one everyone thinks of when you say Justice League.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 10:14:17 GMT -5
I’m now thinking about Yorkshire Tea, a UK company that uses tea grown in the Far East and at least one African country. But not Yorkshire. Because this silly country doesn’t grow tea (or bananas, or grapes). I wish the UK grew more. And had better weather.
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Post by berkley on Dec 13, 2021 12:09:40 GMT -5
"Allegiance"? I was thinking "residence", which would be a little more neutral. Allegiance sounds pretty political but I suppose we have to take into account that this was at the height of the Cold War. It's normal that American superhero comics would usually have an American focus - American settings and characters - just like Japanese manga mostly has Japanese settings and characters. But when it gets political and we start hearing words like allegiance, I won't deny that is a big turn-off for me and always has been. Which, I would say, is normal for an "international" reader, or however you want to put it. Not that I haven't enjoyed reading more than a few Captain America comics in my time. As usual, there's little consistency in emotional or gut reactions of this kind. I used the term allegiance specifically because the OP compared the term to the United States Navy and the British Army, both cases where the name states an explicit political connection. Sorry, that was meant as a comment on the letter's page excerpt Farrar posted just above, in which DC talks about allegiance. Didn't mean to criticise your post in any way.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Dec 13, 2021 12:28:23 GMT -5
JLA- Justice League of Anywhere
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