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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 13, 2021 18:24:18 GMT -5
It's not some private secret...it's stuff that he posted on his public social media and in one case included in his actual published work. It's all right there for the whole world to see and it's unequivocally terrible. It's not possible to be antisemitic and a good person and when you make that public there are going to be consequences no matter how talented you are and deservedly so. Not everyone follows social media. Or cares about it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen and it's certainly not a good reason for why there shouldn't be consequences...and the fact that after said consequences happened he took up residence with a publisher who says the KKK is an "upstanding gentleman's organization with a proud and storied culture and history" says a lot too. |
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Post by tingramretro on Oct 13, 2021 18:27:51 GMT -5
Not everyone follows social media. Or cares about it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen and it's certainly not a good reason for why there shouldn't be consequences...and the fact that after said consequences happened he took up residence with a publisher who says the KKK is an "upstanding gentleman's organization with a proud and storied culture and history" says a lot too. I've never heard of the publisher in question. I'd imagine they don't have much distribution in the UK. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 13, 2021 18:29:38 GMT -5
That doesn't mean it didn't happen and it's certainly not a good reason for why there shouldn't be consequences...and the fact that after said consequences happened he took up residence with a publisher who says the KKK is an "upstanding gentleman's organization with a proud and storied culture and history" says a lot too. I've never heard of the publisher in question. I'd imagine they don't have much distribution in the UK. Thankfully they don't have much distribution anywhere as Diamond and just about every major book distributor have all decided not to carry their filth. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 22, 2021 8:31:05 GMT -5
Another one bites the dust:
Superman colorist Gabe Eltaeb has quit DC because they're, "too woke" and I have to say it sounds like good riddance:
I mean, rather than it being a huge conspiracy, shouldn't it give you pause to think, "Hey, if literally everything says this idea is wrong...maybe I should reflect on my views?"
Nah, must be a conspiracy.
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Post by Crimebuster on Oct 22, 2021 10:07:53 GMT -5
Well, he claims he quit.
According to Kurt Busiek, he was fired. Which tends to happen when you publicly trash your employer and the book you're working on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 10:27:40 GMT -5
oh. .in case you missed this one: www.rawstory.com/capitol-riot-arrests-2655338183/Robert Dennis - the Senior Restoration Artist at Comics Restoration Services. I do believe this is him, doing a nice long interview about his job and his process.. which was done ~4 months before he participated in the insurrection where he attempted to overthrow the US government. but he was just arrested yesterday due to it. |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 22, 2021 11:13:26 GMT -5
Another one bites the dust: Superman colorist Gabe Eltaeb has quit DC because they're, "too woke" and I have to say it sounds like good riddance: I mean, rather than it being a huge conspiracy, shouldn't it give you pause to think, "Hey, if literally everything says this idea is wrong...maybe I should reflect on my views?" Nah, must be a conspiracy. I have an idea for this guy. Creator-owned is a real thing these days, so he doesn't HAVE to work for DC or some other "too woke" company. If he feels strongly about getting his views into a comic book where he says that leftism is bad and conservatism is good, then he should create his own characters, get financing, and publish that book. He can have his voice, and if that is what people want to read, they'll buy it; if not, they won't. That's the whole concept of capitalism, isn't it, and if the current market doesn't have those kind of books, maybe it's because NO ONE FORKING WANTS THEM! |
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Post by brutalis on Oct 22, 2021 12:34:33 GMT -5
Rather glad 99% of my comic book reading is reprints from yesteryear. It is a GOOD thing though that these "people" are now revealed to the masses. In this day and age there is less ability to hide and once exposed that information cannot be easily denied to the public.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 22, 2021 12:39:38 GMT -5
For guys like these, tolerance and understanding are leftist ideas.
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Post by kirby101 on Oct 24, 2021 22:31:58 GMT -5
For guys like these, tolerance and understanding are leftist ideas. Unfortunately, they are now. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 25, 2021 10:11:54 GMT -5
Since I had never heard of Gabe Eltaeb, I had to Google his name. Most of the top hits are basically the same two or three lines casting him as a raving homophobe.
Luckily there was at least one opportunity to hear things straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
Okay, he's definitely a conservative (although he doesn't like the GOP at all), and his views on how to face a pandemic are not science-based... but even if I disagree with him on many issues, I would not call him a bigot.
He's fine with whatever gender, colour, sexual orientation or origin people have, by the way. He's also big on the concept of judging people by the content of their character, not by the group they might belong to. I get the impression that he got fed up with what he perceives as pervading leftism in the comics industry, especially when "...the American way" was removed from Superman's motto, as if it were a dirty phrase.
The person who surprised me in that interview was Mike Baron; I knew he was a conservative, but not so far as being a climate change denier. He sounded like a cranky old uncle, if truth be told!
I'm still keeping my run of Nexus.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 25, 2021 10:30:14 GMT -5
Okay, he's definitely a conservative (although he doesn't like the GOP at all), and his views on how to face a pandemic are not science-based at all... but even if I disagree with him on many issues, I would not call him a bigot. He's fine with whatever gender, colour, sexual orientation or origin people have, by the way. He's also big on the concept of judging people by the content of their character, not by the group they might belong to. I get the impression that he got fed up with what he perceives as pervading leftism I strongly suspect this sums up most conservatives in America today, and it's only when they feel pressured to think one way that they push hard in the opposite direction. This is why I have a strong problem with the thinking that has taken over left-leaning social media that the time to respect opposing viewpoints is over; you're with us or you're wrong. It polarizes/radicalizes the hell out of people like this dude and forces them to take a defensive, intractable posture. If we are ever going to heal the rift tearing apart the United States (and, let's be honest -- it's happening in other countries too), it won't be by shouting louder and angrier, nor by badgering and berating. We are going to learn how to talk to each other again, and that means listening too ("Okay, I get that you are weirded out by gay people; can you also understand how hard it is to BE a gay person? You don't have to be comfortable with it in order to tolerate it"). Compassionate discussion is the only way anything gets better. And before we point to someone on the other side who is unwilling to put down the pitch fork and listen, we're going to have to model that behavior first. Otherwise, we just add fuel to the fire. At least that's my strongly held conviction. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 25, 2021 18:00:12 GMT -5
I've definitely ok with separating the artist from his art... I'm not going to stop listening to Eric Clapton's music or stop enjoying Ender's Game, but if the artist has odious political views and uses their platform to try to push them, I'm mostly certainly happy to no longer support them with my money.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 25, 2021 18:44:46 GMT -5
Since I had never heard of Gabe Eltaeb, I had to Google his name. Most of the top hits are basically the same two or three lines casting him as a raving homophobe. Luckily there was at least one opportunity to hear things straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. Okay, he's definitely a conservative (although he doesn't like the GOP at all), and his views on how to face a pandemic are not science-based... but even if I disagree with him on many issues, I would not call him a bigot. He's fine with whatever gender, colour, sexual orientation or origin people have, by the way. He's also big on the concept of judging people by the content of their character, not by the group they might belong to. I get the impression that he got fed up with what he perceives as pervading leftism in the comics industry, especially when "...the American way" was removed from Superman's motto, as if it were a dirty phrase. The person who surprised me in that interview was Mike Baron; I knew he was a conservative, but not so far as being a climate change denier. He sounded like a cranky old uncle, if truth be told! I'm still keeping my run of Nexus. Eh, I'd contend that the quote is enough, if you're throwing a fit because "they" aren't letting conservative voices be heard in pop culture then they have more than a few screws loose. And when you add on that he's okay appearing on a show with all kinds of gay jokes and a history of racism...and he doesn't tell those people they're wrong then I don't think its a stretch to think that he's okay with those views despite saying he's "fine" with all kinds of people. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 25, 2021 19:06:48 GMT -5
Since I had never heard of Gabe Eltaeb, I had to Google his name. Most of the top hits are basically the same two or three lines casting him as a raving homophobe. Luckily there was at least one opportunity to hear things straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. Okay, he's definitely a conservative (although he doesn't like the GOP at all), and his views on how to face a pandemic are not science-based... but even if I disagree with him on many issues, I would not call him a bigot. He's fine with whatever gender, colour, sexual orientation or origin people have, by the way. He's also big on the concept of judging people by the content of their character, not by the group they might belong to. I get the impression that he got fed up with what he perceives as pervading leftism in the comics industry, especially when "...the American way" was removed from Superman's motto, as if it were a dirty phrase. The person who surprised me in that interview was Mike Baron; I knew he was a conservative, but not so far as being a climate change denier. He sounded like a cranky old uncle, if truth be told! I'm still keeping my run of Nexus. Eh, I'd contend that the quote is enough, if you're throwing a fit because "they" aren't letting conservative voices be heard in pop culture then they have more than a few screws loose. And when you add on that he's okay appearing on a show with all kinds of gay jokes and a history of racism...and he doesn't tell those people they're wrong then I don't think its a stretch to think that he's okay with those views despite saying he's "fine" with all kinds of people. I'd like to have a nickel for all the conservatives who insert "the content of their character" into their protestations of inclusiveness and egalitarianism as a sign that they agree with Dr. King while continuing to work against everything the man stood for. |
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