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Post by tarkintino on Aug 26, 2021 9:54:48 GMT -5
Any smart person that's some sort of 'scientist' is an expert in every field ever. See Tony Stark in the MCU. Most of those films are less than tolerable because of ridiculous inflating of characters into some sort of expert in fields having nothing to do with that which they've invested their lives, ideas and energies into (to get them to the point of becoming the subject of the story). In other words, Stark and time travel...no.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 26, 2021 9:57:42 GMT -5
Oh...and if I never see another person handcuffed with their hands in front of them it will be way to damn soon.
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Post by MDG on Aug 26, 2021 10:56:34 GMT -5
as to my personal trope that I find annoying? "everything you know (or thought you know) is WRONG"
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Post by spoon on Aug 26, 2021 12:33:15 GMT -5
as to my personal trope that I find annoying? "everything you know (or thought you know) is WRONG" ugh..I hate that. I hate that, too. As interesting as Morrison's Doom Patrol is, it kind of sucks that he sacrified the genuine warmth the Silver Age Chief felt for his team on the altar of "everything you know is wrong." But I really hate how this fictional thinking invades the real world. It's hard to discuss serious topics when someone brushes off all evidence with a handwave, and assumes "everyone involved is really lying" as the default.
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Post by james on Aug 26, 2021 12:51:52 GMT -5
This happens more in movies than in comics I think.
Have kids smarter and wittier than the adults. GOD I HATE THAT! It is one of the reasons I stopped reading FF over the last several years. Not to mention that there has to be a child version of almost every adult hero.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 26, 2021 13:56:05 GMT -5
Pulling a copy of a character from another parallel dimension/ universe or getting the character from the past / future. Can’t the writer create a good story from people In this universe ?
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Post by impulse on Aug 26, 2021 14:01:09 GMT -5
One that I especially hate and that I've complained about many times is building up one character at the expense of another. Trying to make your character seem cool by having him/her defeat and belittle another one always rubs me the wrong way: doesn't matter if I've never heard of the characters in question or even if the one being boosted is a favourite and the other isn't, it'll always be lame and a sign of bad, lazy writing to me. Ah, yes, the Worf effect. The only reason we know he is a tough fighter is because everyone says he is just before a new villain kicks his ass.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 26, 2021 14:27:02 GMT -5
Ah, yes, the Worf effect. The only reason we know he is a tough fighter is because everyone says he is just before a new villain kicks his ass. Heh. That also reminds me of all the times Worf suggests a course of action, like going to red alert, raising shields or not sending Geordi over to the Pakled ship, and Picard or Riker say, 'nah!' And then it turns out that they should have listened to him.
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Post by spoon on Aug 26, 2021 14:48:19 GMT -5
Ah, yes, the Worf effect. The only reason we know he is a tough fighter is because everyone says he is just before a new villain kicks his ass. Heh. That also reminds me of all the times Worf suggests a course of action, like going to red alert, raising shields or not sending Geordi over to the Pakled ship, and Picard or Riker say, 'nah!' And then it turns out that they should have listened to him. A few weeks ago, I started rewatching ST:TNG from the beginning. There's an early season 2 episode (Where Silence Has Lease) in which the Enterprise encounters a strange void in space. Worf suggests red alert (or maybe yellow), because it reminds him of a Klingon legend of a destructive force. But Picard is curious, so he orders Wesley of all people to bring the ship as close as possible. So of course, they fall into the void and it's horrific torture at the hands of some omnipotent being. Why would you detect seeming nothingness and press your luck on getting really close?
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 26, 2021 15:29:06 GMT -5
How sick are we of the crack investigator, detective, or cop, who has proved how smart he or she is a thousand times, being dissed, disregarded, mocked, and otherwise told to put it where the sun don't shine by everybody from incompetent peers and supervisors to competent peers and supervisors, all of whom are fully aware of how preternaturally adept this person is at solving mysteries.
See "Columbo" and "Bosch" for starters.
Something similar applied on "House," where I would never want to be a patient at the hospital, a modern-bay counterpart of Bedlam where they diagnose you and treat you for everything from eczema to Guillain-Barré to dengue fever in a few days,nearly kill you with each new diagnosis, and then, after a sweep of your mom's home, (a technique so often used in the real world inhabited by, well, everyone not in that show), one of the doctors discovers something in the oven cleaner your mom started using when she became pregnant with you, and deliver you of a parasitic twin, solving all your problems, except a vague sense of melancholy when you think of the buddy you never knew.
Man, that got old fast.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 26, 2021 15:32:46 GMT -5
Something similar applied on "House," where I would never want to be a patient at the hospital, a modern-bay counterpart of Bedlam where they diagnose you and treat you for everything from eczema to Guillain-Barré to dengue fever in a few days,nearly kill you with each new diagnosis, and then, after a sweep of your mom's home, (a technique so often used in the real world inhabited by, well, everyone not in that show), one of the doctors discovers something in the oven cleaner your mom started using when she became pregnant with you, and deliver you of a parasitic twin, solving all your problems, except a vague sense of melancholy when you think of the buddy you never knew. Man, that got old fast. I remember the "House" formula described somewhere as going through the first and second incorrect diagnosis before getting to the final and correct diagnosis. It got super old super fast.
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Post by MDG on Aug 26, 2021 16:12:10 GMT -5
This 1s more a movie thing (and 70s at that), but: a couple moves into a house and weird stuff starts happening. It escalates to the point where the man says, "OK, we'll leave. But first I have to do this other thing that's going to take me away for a couple hours (or even overnight). Then we'll take off."
Also: "Scientists" who have fully equipped labs in their suburban homes.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 26, 2021 16:29:58 GMT -5
Plucky young hero is a total neophyte when introduced to an ancient order of warriors - school of wizardry - super spy agency - exotic martial arts temple - competitive sports team usually requiring years of practice just to be admitted, and becomes an absolute master in, like, two weeks tops.
(Conversely, we have the hero who has become an absolute pro after years of practice - study - service, and can't get a break from the higher ups).
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 26, 2021 16:40:22 GMT -5
(...) Something similar applied on "House," where I would never want to be a patient at the hospital, a modern-bay counterpart of Bedlam where they diagnose you and treat you for everything from eczema to Guillain-Barré to dengue fever in a few days (...) Don't forget sarcoidosis!
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Post by foxley on Aug 26, 2021 18:00:31 GMT -5
This one may be Marvel specific, but any time a telepath does a random scan of minds in the surrounding area, at least half of them are thinking about how much they hate mutants.
"It's a Doombot!" And heroes still being surprised by this despite it having happened to them every single time they've encountered Doom in the past! Does no hero in in the MU have senses capable of telling if someone is a robot?
Heroes immediately accepting that comrades they have known for years have turned evil and immediately attacking them, rather than discussing the situation and finding out what is really going on.
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