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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 5, 2021 10:21:03 GMT -5
That would be fair, I suppose, although I think the New Mutants Byrne thought of would have been quite different from the ones we got; wasn't Kitty a member, as well as a kid with mental powers we had seen in Fantastic Four? Do you mean Wendy from FF #239? She didn't have any powers of her own, but she was befriended by primal spirits that awakened every ten thousand years or so to test humanity. I suppose his original idea might have changed into the final concept, though. No, it was a boy. Let me try to find who he is... (sound of feet going away) (sound of feet coming back) Got it! It was Willie Evans Jr., in FF #203. He had ental powers derived from his dad, who had also been zapped by cosmic rays. In this reference, they even talk about the New Mutants thing!
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Post by badwolf on Aug 5, 2021 10:36:21 GMT -5
Do you mean Wendy from FF #239? She didn't have any powers of her own, but she was befriended by primal spirits that awakened every ten thousand years or so to test humanity. I suppose his original idea might have changed into the final concept, though. No, it was a boy. Let me try to find who he is... (sound of feet going away) (sound of feet coming back) Got it! It was Willie Evans Jr., in FF #203. He had mental powers derived from his dad, who had also been zapped by cosmic rays. In this reference, they even talk about the New Mutants thing! Oh sorry, I thought you meant during Byrne's run. Interesting!
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Post by Graphic Autist on Aug 5, 2021 11:02:12 GMT -5
That would have been so cool!
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Post by Rob Allen on Aug 5, 2021 11:27:13 GMT -5
Starlin drew himself into The Cat #4. That's him on the far right with the long hair and mustache. Next to him is the other artist on that story, Jim's friend Alan Weiss. I noticed this panel a few years ago and thought that the two guys were unusually well-drawn for unspeaking background characters. So I sent the panel to Tom Orzechowski, who at that time was a neighbor here in Portland, and he verified that those are self-portraits by Jim and Alan. Did Byrne put himself into any stories?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 11:36:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 11:43:32 GMT -5
When was the last time Byrne had any work published? He wrote Star Trek: New Visions for IDW in 2018. The visuals were photo-montages instead of drawings. The X-Men: Elsewhen stuff he's been posting on his website since then looks pretty decent. I think I like it better than Starlin's latter day stuff. I agree, I would take "X-Men Elsewhen" which was not picked up by Marvel and is effectively a fan fiction over modern X-Men any day: m.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55094&TPN=1
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 5, 2021 12:50:53 GMT -5
Starlin also drew himself alongside Steve Englehart and Al Milgrom as a trio of junkies in Master of Kung Fu #17.
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Post by Graphic Autist on Aug 5, 2021 13:32:28 GMT -5
Did Byrne put himself into any stories? Fantastic Four #262 heavily features Byrne as a character. He is abducted by the Watcher to document the trial of Reed Richards.
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Post by commond on Aug 5, 2021 17:23:01 GMT -5
Calm yourself, John Byrne should be a meme.
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Post by tartanphantom on Aug 5, 2021 19:44:16 GMT -5
As writers, I'd rather read a Starlin book than a Byrne one. As artists, I'd read a Starlin book at any time; with Byrne, it would be, mainly the 70s and 80s, with a little bit of the 90s. Starlin, to me, had greater depth of character and concept and had more to say. Byrne could do a great superhero yarn, but you'd be back to the status quo when it was over, quite often. Byrne paired with Claremont or Stern is a good mix. Starlin is best on his own, than collaborating. I like both creators works and I dislike some of their later material; but, Starlin is my choice, for a combination of factors, including The Death of Captain Marvel, the whole Metamorphosis Odyssey and Dreadstar epic and the satirical and philosophical edge to his work, in general.
This.
Starlin for the win.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 10, 2021 7:15:35 GMT -5
Part of me wonders if Byrne is trailing because he’s such a d##k.
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Post by zaku on Aug 10, 2021 8:49:05 GMT -5
Part of me wonders if Byrne is trailing because he’s such a d##k. It can be a factor, yep.
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Post by tartanphantom on Aug 10, 2021 8:58:04 GMT -5
Part of me wonders if Byrne is trailing because he’s such a d##k.
hmmmm... could be...
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Post by brutalis on Aug 10, 2021 9:33:01 GMT -5
Part of me wonders if Byrne is trailing because he’s such a d##k. I strictly went by which one provided "ME" with better memorable reading and collecting pleasure. If I had NONE of their comics and was to start collecting either of them now then Starlin still wins it. Byrne has the larger library but Starlin intrigues me more. A unique art style combined with his own uniquely distinctive thoughts and writings provides the incentives IMO.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 10, 2021 12:52:57 GMT -5
Part of me wonders if Byrne is trailing because he’s such a d##k. I only know about his actions and what he says by what is posted here. I've never met him, interacted with him online, nor care to. I just think Starlin's output is better or at least appeals to me more. While anything I've read of Bryne's I just fairly like or just thought was plain meh with the exception of She-Hulk. And even if I do like something as far as his writing goes, I've never found his art appealing. It's mostly not anatomically bad or anything, his style is just really bland to me. Like plain saltines.
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