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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 1, 2021 4:54:03 GMT -5
Kind of an odd pairing for a poll. On Byrne, a more logical choice for the "who do you like better" question is George Perez, as they became fan favorites at virtually the same time and had seemingly parallel career trajectories for a time as they obtained superstar status in the 1980s. Starlin's career seems to have more points in common with Mike Grell's.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 1, 2021 5:41:19 GMT -5
I think I or someone else created a Byrne vs. Perez thread in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 6:29:50 GMT -5
I thought this was a great idea for a survey. Perez and Byrne have been paired off a bazillion times over the years, and indeed I always think of them as the "big 2" artists from my era of comic book reading as a kid.
This made me think in a different way, and again, I was surprised how quickly I went with Starlin in spite of a great love for a lot of classic Byrne material. I'm also enjoying reading how others have approached the question, I tend to be much more on the visual side of things and it would not have occurred to me to think of their contributions so much in some of the ways being explored here.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 1, 2021 6:40:09 GMT -5
I thought this was a great idea for a survey. Perez and Byrne have been paired off a bazillion times over the years, and indeed I always think of them as the "big 2" artists from my era of comic book reading as a kid. This made me think in a different way, and again, I was surprised how quickly I went with Starlin in spite of a great love for a lot of classic Byrne material. I'm also enjoying reading how others have approached the question, I tend to be much more on the visual side of things and it would not have occurred to me to think of their contributions so much in some of the ways being explored here. Maybe it's the way Bryne ended his comics career. He burned ( no pun intended) many bridges and isn't revered the way people like Neal Adams, Steranko or even Perez are. He wasn't even asked to contribute to Action comics # 1000.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 1, 2021 6:43:04 GMT -5
The Byrne /Perez thread is Here.
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Post by commond on Aug 1, 2021 7:12:00 GMT -5
When was the last time Byrne had any work published?
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 1, 2021 7:19:28 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, I would say maybe DC or IDW.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 1, 2021 7:30:41 GMT -5
When was the last time Byrne had any work published? He wrote Star Trek: New Visions for IDW in 2018. The visuals were photo-montages instead of drawings. The X-Men: Elsewhen stuff he's been posting on his website since then looks pretty decent. I think I like it better than Starlin's latter day stuff.
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Post by tarkintino on Aug 1, 2021 7:33:24 GMT -5
I don't much care for either, to be honest. Sort of in the same position, but Byrne...let's put it this way: no one will ever find much of anything he's ever worked on in my collection.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 1, 2021 11:01:26 GMT -5
Of Byrnes work I have FF, Superman, Alpha Flight, and some Tpb’s with the X-men run.
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Post by profh0011 on Aug 1, 2021 12:06:20 GMT -5
Let's see. Byrne's art is like REALLY BAD Neal Adams. Starlin's is really EARLY Reed Crandall. Well, just on that, Crandall beats the S*** out of Adams, so... I've been blown away by Starlin on most things he did, from CAPTAIN MAR-VELL on. Heck, I recall sitting in my car at lunchtime at work re-reading those CM issues back in the late 70s. Never did that with anybody else I can recall. My first impression of Byrne was, "Does this guy even know how to draw?" NO, REALLY. It took Dan Adkins to clean him up enough that I was able to let his work grow on me. I genuinely think I put up with X-MEN because I'd gotten used to it, more than ever liking it. I mean, he was never as good as Dave Cockrum. When Dave Hunt and later Joe Sinnott inked him on MTU and MTIO, it was really nice, but when he decided to ink himself on FF, I wondered what the hell was he thinking? That said, I followed him for a long, LONG time... long past the time a growing ARMY of fans had begun copmplaining about his work. But eventually, his writing & page layout quirks began to get on MY nerves, and slowly, eventually, it reached a point where even I could no longer put up with him. I never felt that way about Starlin. BOTH guys' work NEVER really "worked" for me, when they cut back to just writing, while having someone else do the art. Too much of what they do is tied up with them doing the whole job-- writing and artwork. (This goes for Mike Grell, too.)
Oh yeah. About 2 years ago... I re-read "The Dark Phoenix Saga" in a TPB collection. Now, I'm sure most think of this as the all-time high-point, ever, for X-MEN. I read it when it first came out. So,. my reaction to re-reading it, decades later, shocked even me.
I thought it was CRAP. All of it. Every single aspect of it. The story, the story-telling, the pencils, the characters, the dialogue. EVEN THE INKS didn't help!!!! I know tastes can change and develop, and my sensibilities as a writer have grown immensely over the decades. But I'd never experienced anything like this.
Maybe I should just take all my X-MEN comics out in the back yard and set fire to them.
I never met Byrne. but I've heard he's a pain with a really horrible attitude and overblown ego.
But about 15 years ago... I FINALLY did meet Jim Starlin in Philly. Was the HIGHLIGHT of my day at that convention. I talked with him for a half-hour, felt like I could have bugged him all day, but decided to let it go at that. Had a BLAST.
A lot of people forget Starlin was involved in the negotaiations that led to the CONTRACTS for the Marvel Graphic Novels, and then the EPIC COMICS line.
Byrne was an outspoken CORPORATE SHILL. And that was many years before I came to outright despise ALL corporations on general principal.
STARLIN it is!
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Post by The Cheat on Aug 1, 2021 13:06:26 GMT -5
Should be a tie button? Starlin is the far stronger creator IMO. Byrne the better craftsman IMO. Sums up my thoughts nicely. Byrne's art is top tier, but Starlin was the better ideas man.
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 1, 2021 13:40:01 GMT -5
No contest. I can't stand most of Starlin's stuff so it's Byrne all the way (though I can think of a dozen of their contemporaries I prefer over either).
Cei-U! I summon the clear choice!
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 1, 2021 14:57:29 GMT -5
I voted for Starlin on the strength of his pre-1987 work.
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Post by Graphic Autist on Aug 1, 2021 16:36:23 GMT -5
My first impression of Byrne was, "Does this guy even know how to draw?" NO, REALLY. It took Dan Adkins to clean him up enough that I was able to let his work grow on me. I genuinely think I put up with X-MEN because I'd gotten used to it, more than ever liking it. I mean, he was never as good as Dave Cockrum. Wow. It’s amazing how two people can look at the exact same thing and have opposite opinions. Cockrum was never an artist I felt lacked talent, but I definitely preferred Byrne’s art over Cockrum’s no matter whom was inking Byrne’s pencils. Though, by the early 90’s, Johnny definitely started cutting corners.
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