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Post by Crimebuster on May 3, 2021 18:31:06 GMT -5
Yes, it's the issue where they retcon it so there are 2 Black Canaries, one on earth 1 and one from earth 2. The retcon sets the time of the split way back in issue 75, but technically this is the first Dinah Laurel Lance. They kept this 2 Canary idea even after Crisis, so it can be seen as the 1st Dinah Laurel Lance appearance, which is also the version used in the Arrow tv show.
It's super complicated, the retcon is a train wreck, but that's the short version.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 3, 2021 18:36:31 GMT -5
Yes, it's the issue where they retcon it so there are 2 Black Canaries, one on earth 1 and one from earth 2. The retcon sets the time of the split way back in issue 75, but technically this is the first Dinah Laurel Lance. They kept this 2 Canary idea even after Crisis, so it can be seen as the 1st Dinah Laurel Lance appearance, which is also the version used in the Arrow tv show. It's super complicated, the retcon is a train wreck, but that's the short version. I thought so. I just didn't think it was important in any way. Wow, Flash 92 , gone already.
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Post by shaxper on May 3, 2021 19:35:54 GMT -5
What's in the Kirby DC lot, Scott?
I had a lot of fun trading in round one and would love to be able to stay involved!
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Post by Icctrombone on May 3, 2021 19:37:09 GMT -5
What's in the Kirby DC lot, Scott? I had a lot of fun trading in round one and would love to be able to stay involved! What did you get in the first round?
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Post by shaxper on May 3, 2021 19:40:29 GMT -5
What's in the Kirby DC lot, Scott? I had a lot of fun trading in round one and would love to be able to stay involved! What did you get in the first round? Oh, I probably should have posted that. I thought Scott would. I got the Starslayer #2 and #10 and DC Super-Stars #17. I've had all three on my want list for a very long while now. I gave Scott the Rai #0, Magik #1, Lone Wolf and Cub #1, JLA #220, and Mighty Samson #1. I have doubles of each but the Lone Wolf and Mighty Samson from my own recent speculating and hope they do well for Scott!
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Post by Icctrombone on May 3, 2021 19:44:30 GMT -5
What did you get in the first round? Oh, I probably should have posted that. I thought Scott would. I got the Starslayer #2 and #10 and DC Super-Stars #17. I've had all three on my want list for a very long while now. I gave Scott the Rai #0, Magik #1, Lone Wolf and Cub #1, JLA #220, and Mighty Samson #1. I have doubles of each but the Lone Wolf and Mighty Samson from my own recent speculating and hope they do well for Scott! Scott will probably reveal the swaps in his video, but we have been showing our swag in CCF. You should have told me you needed Starslayer # 10. I have about 4 of them.
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Post by Crimebuster on May 3, 2021 19:49:20 GMT -5
What's in the Kirby DC lot, Scott? I had a lot of fun trading in round one and would love to be able to stay involved! It's Omac #1-7, Forever People #2-8, 10, and 11, and New Gods #5, and 7-10. So 21 issues of Kirby at DC. The Omac #1 is high grade, the others are all over the place.
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Post by shaxper on May 3, 2021 19:55:03 GMT -5
Yes, it's the issue where they retcon it so there are 2 Black Canaries, one on earth 1 and one from earth 2. The retcon sets the time of the split way back in issue 75, but technically this is the first Dinah Laurel Lance. They kept this 2 Canary idea even after Crisis, so it can be seen as the 1st Dinah Laurel Lance appearance, which is also the version used in the Arrow tv show. It's super complicated, the retcon is a train wreck, but that's the short version. I thought so. I just didn't think it was important in any way. Many online sources consider it the first appearance of the Bronze/Modern age Black Canary. Thus my speculating on it. I got them for next to nothing and basically threw it in for free in my deal with Scott, but it has a chance of going far. Black Canary has got to be one of the most confusing characters in terms of first appearances. Even her first Silver Age appearance in Justice League #75 is uncertain, as she appeared in the previous two issues, only as the Earth Two Black Canary. At the end #74, she decides to move to Earth One.
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Post by Crimebuster on May 3, 2021 20:01:10 GMT -5
I've considered 75 to be the first SA Black Canary for many, many years. Besides moving to Earth-1, this issue also is the debut of her Canary Cry superpower, and it's also the start of her relationship with Green Arrow. She's essentially written as a new character, they just didn't actually make her one.
I don't think 220 is as important, but the concept of BC being a legacy character passed down from mother to daughter is important as well and set up the next 30 years of stories with her.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 20:04:04 GMT -5
I'm hoping the What If? #10 nets Scott something sweet in return. The fun twist is that it too was a dollar bin find for me. I look forward to seeing how this goes for him. I am not sure I have much ammunition left to keep taking part, but we'll see. I am going to be downsizing and culling some stuff in the weeks ahead, so I may turn up more fodder to keep playing.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 3, 2021 20:30:02 GMT -5
I have plenty of ammo to keep participating but the books offered in this round aren't talking to me. Crimebuster, I hope you give a breakdown on the trades. I want to see if you got value ( IMHO) for the books that you gave up.
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Post by shaxper on May 3, 2021 20:53:22 GMT -5
I've considered 75 to be the first SA Black Canary for many, many years. Besides moving to Earth-1, this issue also is the debut of her Canary Cry superpower, and it's also the start of her relationship with Green Arrow. She's essentially written as a new character, they just didn't actually make her one. Except that, in the previous issue, the Black Canary of Earth Two asked to move to Earth One, and in the next issue, the Earth One Black Canary recaps those events as the same character. All that changed was her Earth of residence. I actually think JLA #220 has a more solid argument for being the first appearance of a whole new Black Canary. Of course, what it comes down to in the end is what the speculators think, which means it comes down to what those speculators' databases think, and that's where it's a 50/50 gamble whether JLA #220 ends up being something special. As far as I'm concerned, Black Canary is a woefully underappreciated character who is going somewhere in the next few years, especially as both the comics and films industries begin to recognize that women are a key demographic that they haven't catered to enough. Anyway, looking forward to Round 2. I'll continue to search through the collection (especially the stacks of newer acquisitions) to see if I have any viable trades to pitch.
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Post by Crimebuster on May 3, 2021 21:17:57 GMT -5
Here's the new video, which will probably go live to the greater populace on Wednesday. The recap of all the trades from Round 1 starts at 5:08, and then the rundown of what's available for Round 2 starts at 20:44.
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Post by shaxper on May 3, 2021 21:55:34 GMT -5
I posted a head's up about that Usagi Summer Special in the Usagi Yojimbo Dojo Annex section.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 4, 2021 18:17:06 GMT -5
I re-watched the second video and I think there are some books that will not move and Crimebuster will be forced to swap them out for other dollar books. The weak links are: The GI-Joe pack Magik 1 JLA 220 Spawn 1 Micronauts 1 Grimjack 1 X-men 244 Of course there might be someone out there that might want to combine some books so that they can move might go, but by themselves, I expect them to be still in the available 20.
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