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Post by Confessor on Mar 6, 2021 22:10:57 GMT -5
Have to give this one to DC, especially if we're including Vertigo stuff. I loved the odd thing Marvel put out in that decade, like Busiek's Marvels and ClanDestine (thanks chaykinstevens). I even quite enjoy the sprawling mess that is the Spider-Man Clone Saga. But yeah, the lion's share of good stuff was coming from DC at this point.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 6, 2021 22:54:15 GMT -5
I didn't get into Clandestine. The art was great of course, but the story was just...okay. Did they ever appear anywhere outside of their own series'?
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Post by commond on Mar 7, 2021 1:55:46 GMT -5
I'm hoping we can get some Marvel recommendations out of this thread. There's gotta be some New Warriors fans out there or something of that ilk.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 7, 2021 11:28:46 GMT -5
Although I was not fond of many DC titles in the 90s (1994's fantastic Zero Hour - Crisis in Time being a notable exception), Marvel--coming out of the late 80s--turned into the worst kind of fanboy assembly line of over-the-top, creatively bankrupt junk. The publisher's only great output was 1994's Marvels, but its not enough to push them past DC in that decade. As mentioned elsewhere, Marvel's eXtreme failings in the Liefeld/Lee/McFarlane/Larsen/all things mutant (and all influenced by those markers) between the late 80s and into the 1990s had the company turned into a noisy mess--a fading shadow of its stellar past. It was Marvel (largely) in name only. In fact, the existence of Marvels served as a reminder to the world of what Marvel had been...and it would never reach those heights again.
In other words, DC for the 1990s win.
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Post by berkley on Mar 7, 2021 20:59:59 GMT -5
If Vertigo counts, then DC. If not, then maybe still DC but more probably too close for me to call. I don't like either company's output from this decade or the 2000s or 2010s.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 7, 2021 22:36:00 GMT -5
I didn't get into Clandestine. The art was great of course, but the story was just...okay. Did they ever appear anywhere outside of their own series'? I dunno...I only followed their regular monthly series in the mid-90s, which I think barely lasted more than a year. Knowing Marvel, I'm sure they've popped up again in the intervening 25 years. I know what you mean about the stories being just "okay"; I really liked the series a lot back in the day -- and it was a period when I was really getting back into comics after having left them behind in the late 80s -- but I don't think I ever re-read them much after they came out and I got rid of the issues I had about a decade ago. So yeah, I liked the series a fair bit at the time, but they weren't comics I returned to very often...or really even miss now.
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Post by Dizzy D on Mar 8, 2021 2:59:52 GMT -5
I didn't get into Clandestine. The art was great of course, but the story was just...okay. Did they ever appear anywhere outside of their own series'? I dunno...I only followed their regular monthly series in the mid-90s, which I think barely lasted more than a year. Knowing Marvel, I'm sure they've popped up again in the intervening 25 years. I know what you mean about the stories being just "okay"; I really liked the series a lot back in the day -- and it was a period when I was really getting back into comics after having left them behind in the late 80s -- but I don't think I ever re-read them much after they came out and I got rid of the issues I had about a decade ago. So yeah, I liked the series a fair bit at the time, but they weren't comics I returned to very often...or really even miss now.
I think Marvel has realised by now that Clan Destine is basically Alan Davis baby. In the original series, they had a different creative team after Davis left, and that team basically messed up everything (resurrecting Vincent, the prodigal son, retconning William as a regular human instead of a member of the Clan so they could introduce some romance within the teamm (apparently missing that William was stated to beolder than several of the other members who were nearing or past their first century)). There were only a few issues and they were not a success, so the series was quickly cancelled.
Davis returned to the characters in an X-men/Clan Destine crossover (where he retconned everything after he left), followed in the mid 2000s by a new limited series and in the 2010s with a single story running through 3 annuals of other series (Daredevil, Fantastic Four and Wolverine). So they may return if Davis ever feels like it (there are still members of the family mentioned, but never seen), but I don't think Marvel will touch them otherwise.
I really liked the series, especially for the 90s, where it was rare to have characters just enjoy themselves so much as Rory and Pandora were doing. I have done away with the singles and just picked up the two trades (only having the annuals in singles).
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 8, 2021 7:16:41 GMT -5
Man, I have that 12 issue Clandestine series but I never read it. I am a fan of Davis' art.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 8, 2021 9:17:29 GMT -5
If Vertigo counts, then DC. If not, then maybe still DC but more probably too close for me to call. I don't like either company's output from this decade or the 2000s or 2010s. Sure, Vertigo counts, though to be honest, I hadn't really even considered it when I created these polls. I'm not a big fan of most of the Big Two's post-1990 output, but there is the occasional worthwhile comic, though a lot of those are "elsewolds" stuff.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 9, 2021 7:14:42 GMT -5
I'm hoping we can get some Marvel recommendations out of this thread. There's gotta be some New Warriors fans out there or something of that ilk. Best I can do is my thoughts on Fabian Nicieza and Scott Lobdell on the X-titles. Truly not sure anything else I read from Marvel in the '90s was any good, but it was fun. I've heard great things about Foolkiller and She-Hulk, though.
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Post by commond on Mar 9, 2021 8:40:14 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, 1990 alone had Jim Starlin's Silver Surfer/Thanos Quest, Claremont's Uncanny X-men, Nocenti/JRJR Daredevil, Simonson's Fantastic Four, Peter David on Hulk, Alan Davis on Excalibur, and I guess Byrne on Avengers West Coast, Namor and She Hulk. Maybe not all-time great comics, but not as easily dismissible as folks make out. There must be a child of the 90s willing to stick up for this stuff.
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Post by Dizzy D on Mar 10, 2021 4:29:11 GMT -5
Marvel Titles that were worth it in the early 90s IMHO:
Warren Ellis did some fun things at Marvel in the 90s. Hellstorm, Wolverine: Not Dead Yet and Doom 2099 come to mind.
There was Marvels by Busiek and Ross, also Busiek's Untold Stories of Spider-Man.
Dwayne McDuffie's Deathlok was a solid title. He also did the final Damage Control limited series in the 90s.
Never was a fan myself of the title or most of Grant Morrison's work, but people seemed to like Skrull Kill Krew.
We get the tail-end of Epic Comics: Wagner's Last American, Evanier's Hollywood Superstars, Chaykin's adaption of the Grey Mouser. Not sure if Evan Dorkin's Bill&Ted was released under Epic or main Marvel, but that was also in the 90s)
We've talked about 1998 and later in another thread, but that that's when Marvel started to focus again on good writers and creative teams (kickstarted first and foremost by the Busiek/Perez Avengers).
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