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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 19:48:51 GMT -5
I watched Kiss Me Deadly maybe a year ago and only remember (elements of) two scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 19:55:18 GMT -5
Well, you're a poopiehead. So there's that.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 7, 2014 13:17:14 GMT -5
I just watched The Third Man, and it's one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen.  Fascinating how it begins as a clear nod to Hitchcock, outright resembling The 39 Steps, which I saw the other day, mistakenly believing it was Noir and discovering my error. Yet, by the second half, the film is so abundantly noir, particularly in the endless barrage of symbolic shots we get towards the close, all telling us, again and again, that our protagonist cannot be the squeaky clean hero, no matter how hard he tries. And Orson Welles...man! I think I need to do an Orson Welles viewing marathon: The Third Man, Citizen Kane, A Touch of Evil, Macbeth, and end with Transformers: The Movie  So now that I'm getting a better grasp on noir, here are a few films I love that have components of noir about them, but I'm not sure whether they would actually count as noir or not: La Dolce Vida: It has the visuals, it has the seedy semi-forbidden romance, and it definitely has a lost soul meandering among other lost souls unable to seek salvation, but there's no crime element to it and, in fact, no real coherent plot. Is it noir? Bicycle Thieves: Only seen this once, but it definitely had the lost soul meandering among other lost souls and falling from grace, but the crime element was muted, there was no semi-forbidden romance, and the visuals were highly stylized but weren't quite as dark and murky as you usually get in noir. So is it noir? M: Been a very long time since I saw this one. It had the visuals in spades, as well as the crime element, but the protagonist was far worse than the lost souls around him, and that was the point, but he was a character fallen from grace with no hope for redemption. And, if you know the plot, the semi-forbidden romance angle is disturbingly ironic. Is it noir? I think I'm going to follow The Guardian's Top 10 Film Noir list for most of my other viewing selections this month. |
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Post by Jesse on Nov 7, 2014 14:04:35 GMT -5
I just watched The Third Man, and it's one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen. I know right! And Orson Welles...man! I think I need to do an Orson Welles viewing marathon: The Third Man, Citizen Kane, A Touch of Evil, Macbeth, and end with Transformers: The Movie Add The Stranger (1946) with Edward G. Robinson, The Lady from Shanghai (1947) with Rita Hayworth and The Trial (1962) with Anthony Perkins to your list of Orson Welles movies to watch. Bicycle Thieves: Only seen this once, but it definitely had the lost soul meandering among other lost souls and falling from grace, but the crime element was muted, there was no semi-forbidden romance, and the visuals were highly stylized but weren't quite as dark and murky as you usually get in noir. So is it noir? |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 7, 2014 14:31:31 GMT -5
And Orson Welles...man! I think I need to do an Orson Welles viewing marathon: The Third Man, Citizen Kane, A Touch of Evil, Macbeth, and end with Transformers: The Movie Add The Stranger (1946) with Edward G. Robinson, The Lady from Shanghai (1947) with Rita Hayworth and The Trial (1962) with Anthony Perkins to your list of Orson Welles movies to watch. Awesome. Thank you. And Anthony Perkins?? I honestly thought he just did Psycho. Is The Stranger a Camus adaption? I'm beginning to realize what an influence Camus was on The Third Man. Are any of these considered noir? grazie!  |
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Post by Jesse on Nov 7, 2014 14:49:33 GMT -5
Add The Stranger (1946) with Edward G. Robinson, The Lady from Shanghai (1947) with Rita Hayworth and The Trial (1962) with Anthony Perkins to your list of Orson Welles movies to watch. Awesome. Thank you. And Anthony Perkins?? I honestly thought he just did Psycho. Is The Stranger a Camus adaption? I'm beginning to realize what an influence Camus was on The Third Man. Are any of these considered noir? I think The Stranger and The Lady from Shanghai are considered noir and I'm pretty sure both are on that wiki list of film noir that I posted earlier. The Trial is based on the Franz Kafka book and it looks and feels like a Kafka novel brought to life right from the start. It's definitely the strangest and most visually stunning Orson Welles film I've watched. One of Anthony Perkins strongest performances. The last half hour of the film is absolutely bizarre. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 7, 2014 19:41:10 GMT -5
I just watched The Third Man, and it's one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen. So now that I'm getting a better grasp on noir, here are a few films I love that have components of noir about them, but I'm not sure whether they would actually count as noir or not: La Dolce Vida: It has the visuals, it has the seedy semi-forbidden romance, and it definitely has a lost soul meandering among other lost souls unable to seek salvation, but there's no crime element to it and, in fact, no real coherent plot. Is it noir? Bicycle Thieves: Only seen this once, but it definitely had the lost soul meandering among other lost souls and falling from grace, but the crime element was muted, there was no semi-forbidden romance, and the visuals were highly stylized but weren't quite as dark and murky as you usually get in noir. So is it noir? M: Been a very long time since I saw this one. It had the visuals in spades, as well as the crime element, but the protagonist was far worse than the lost souls around him, and that was the point, but he was a character fallen from grace with no hope for redemption. And, if you know the plot, the semi-forbidden romance angle is disturbingly ironic. Is it noir? I think I'm going to follow The Guardian's Top 10 Film Noir list for most of my other viewing selections this month. M definitely counts in my book, I love that film! So far I've only found time for Casablanca, but I plan on watching The Blue Dahlia tonight and tomorrow I've lined up Dead Reckoning which is one of the few Bogart movies I've never seen before. Later on, I also hope to rewatch Key Largo, as I haven't seen that Bogart flick since I was like 7 and have only a hazy memory of the plot and I'm going to give Sunset Boulevard a go as soon as I get it in the mail. While not on that top ten list I'd suggest Robert Altman's The Long Goodbye, it isn't set in the 40's but Elliot Gould is perfect in it. And even better than that is John Huston's The Kremlin Letter, the use of the settings is nothing short of amazing. |
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Post by coke & comics on Nov 7, 2014 22:03:29 GMT -5
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Post by coke & comics on Nov 7, 2014 22:08:51 GMT -5
Add The Stranger (1946) with Edward G. Robinson, The Lady from Shanghai (1947) with Rita Hayworth and The Trial (1962) with Anthony Perkins to your list of Orson Welles movies to watch. Awesome. Thank you. And Anthony Perkins?? I honestly thought he just did Psycho. One musn't forget his role in the apocalyptic classic, On the Beach |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 7, 2014 22:10:09 GMT -5
I think that list just convinced me to see Chinatown for the first time this month. I've heard a lot of praise for it here but with the ease of access you just highlighted it's a no brainier for me. |
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Post by coke & comics on Nov 7, 2014 22:18:02 GMT -5
Ha! Chinatown is the only of those five I have seen.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 7, 2014 22:29:35 GMT -5
Ha! Chinatown is the only of those five I have seen. Then your mission is to see Double Indemnity, as that's an absolute classic! Not on Netflix, but I just finished Le Samourai and it was possibly one of the best neo-noir films I've ever seen. If you've seen and enjoyed either Leon or the American then Samourai is for you. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 8, 2014 0:12:35 GMT -5
Shax, "The Stranger" is about a Nazi-hunting government man looking for former Nazi camp commandant in a postcard-perfect new England town. Great acting by Edward G. Robinson and... that's all I'll say, b/c I don't want o give any hints about it.
Some critics don't care for it, but I've always enjoyed it. Elements of noir crossed with "Shadow of a Doubt."
Enjoy!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 8, 2014 1:06:53 GMT -5
While Fritz Lang went on to direct films noir, I don't consider "M" a noir film. It definitely inspired the genre, but it doesn't really fit the genre as a film. It doesn't have the "everyman" thrust into a bad situation. Nor the femme fatale. Nor a number of other hallmarks.
It is a great film. And arguably both the first serial killer film and the first police procedural.
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Post by Jesse on Nov 8, 2014 7:38:07 GMT -5
His Kind of Woman (1951) with Robert Mitchum, Jane Russell & Vincent Price was on TCM this morning but I missed it. Hopefully it's available On Demand later.
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