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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 27, 2014 11:49:06 GMT -5
And in "Petrified Forest"
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 27, 2014 11:57:18 GMT -5
"High Sierra" came out in January of '41; "Falcon" in October. Wonder if the PR people were selling the latter as more action-oriented than it was, esp. with Bogey as a nominal "good guy" as Spade.
If you haven't seen "High Sierra," btw, please do. Bogart's in peak form, as is Ida Lupino. And there's a film noir aspect to its gangster-on-the-run plot, for sure.
PS: The dog in the picture was really Bogey's.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 27, 2014 12:56:57 GMT -5
I love The Maltese Falcon. It is almost unquestionably the most faithful book to film translation every. And while Bogie is excellent as Spade, Peter Lorre, Sydney Greenstreet and particularly Elisha Cook, Jr. give it some of the best supporting roles ever. It was Greenstreet's film debut.
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 27, 2014 13:55:11 GMT -5
I love The Maltese Falcon. It is almost unquestionably the most faithful book to film translation every. And while Bogie is excellent as Spade, Peter Lorre, Sydney Greenstreet and particularly Elisha Cook, Jr. give it some of the best supporting roles ever. It was Greenstreet's film debut. I've seen it a bunch of times. I might prefer The Big Sleep a tiny bit, but The Maltese Falcon is also a great movie.
And you are right about the cast! Not just the actors you mentioned, but also Gladys George, Lee Patrick, Barton MacLane, Ward Bond, Jerome Cowan and even Walter Huston.
But the last time I watched it, I was really looking at Mary Astor. She sometimes seems like a weak link for a Bogart leading lady, but that's because the competition is pretty tough - Bacall, Bergman, Grahame. But Astor is really really very good in Maltese Falcon. Her quivering lip, her shaking voice, her dainty hands. Just like Brigid O'Shaugnessy, Astor had been around. You see her in movies in the 1920s, notably Don Juan, the first movie with recorded sound. (And Astor would transition to playing "the mother" very soon, just three years later in Meet Me in St. Louis.)
So Brigid is in her 30s, and she's desperately hanging on to her "young damsel in distress" role because she knows she's only got a short time left before it won't work anymore. And I think Mary Astor really projects Brigid's desperation and vulnerability. Mary Astor does not get nearly enough credit for how great she is in Maltese Falcon.
There were two versions of The Maltese Falcon made before the famous 1941 film. They are both worth a look.
The first one was made in the early 1930s (pre-Hays Code) and stars Ricardo Cortez as Sam Spade. One notable star is Dracula alumnus Dwight Frye in the Elisha Cook Jr. role. Also featuring Una Merkel and Thelma Todd. It sometimes shows on TCM as Dangerous Female.
The second version (1936) was called Satan Made a Lady and changed the names of all the characters. And they are after the Horn of Roland instead of the Maltese Falcon. This version is CRA-ZEE. Very tongue-in-cheek. Recommended highly for people who like weird and unexpected viewing experiences. Warren William is the private detective. Bette Davis is the femme fatale. The actress playing the detective's secretary is hilarious in her stupidity. The Gutman character is a woman. The Joel Cairo character is played by Arthur Treacher, of all people. This movie has a bad reputation, so you might have read a dismissive review in a film guide and decided not to watch it. But it does have its advocates. Like me. So if you are occasionally puzzled as to why one of your favorites is being maligned by the critics, you might like Satan Met a Lady.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 27, 2014 18:26:57 GMT -5
I love The Maltese Falcon. It is almost unquestionably the most faithful book to film translation every. And while Bogie is excellent as Spade, Peter Lorre, Sydney Greenstreet and particularly Elisha Cook, Jr. give it some of the best supporting roles ever. It was Greenstreet's film debut. I've seen it a bunch of times. I might prefer The Big Sleep a tiny bit, but The Maltese Falcon is also a great movie.
And you are right about the cast! Not just the actors you mentioned, but also Gladys George, Lee Patrick, Barton MacLane, Ward Bond, Jerome Cowan and even Walter Huston.
But the last time I watched it, I was really looking at Mary Astor. She sometimes seems like a weak link for a Bogart leading lady, but that's because the competition is pretty tough - Bacall, Bergman, Grahame. But Astor is really really very good in Maltese Falcon. Her quivering lip, her shaking voice, her dainty hands. Just like Brigid O'Shaugnessy, Astor had been around. You see her in movies in the 1920s, notably Don Juan, the first movie with recorded sound. (And Astor would transition to playing "the mother" very soon, just three years later in Meet Me in St. Louis.)
So Brigid is in her 30s, and she's desperately hanging on to her "young damsel in distress" role because she knows she's only got a short time left before it won't work anymore. And I think Mary Astor really projects Brigid's desperation and vulnerability. Mary Astor does not get nearly enough credit for how great she is in Maltese Falcon.
There were two versions of The Maltese Falcon made before the famous 1941 film. They are both worth a look.
The first one was made in the early 1930s (pre-Hays Code) and stars Ricardo Cortez as Sam Spade. One notable star is Dracula alumni Dwight Frye in the Elisha Cook Jr. role. Also featuring Una Merkel and Thelma Todd. It sometimes shows on TCM as Dangerous Female.
The second version (1936) was called Satan Made a Lady and changed the names of all the characters. And they are after the Horn of Roland instead of the Maltese Falcon. This version is CRA-ZEE. Very tongue-in-cheek. Recommended highly for people who like weird and unexpected viewing experiences. Warren William is the private detective. Bette Davis is the femme fatale. The actress playing the detective's secretary is hilarious in her stupidity. The Gutman character is a woman. The Joel Cairo character is played by Arthur Treacher, of all people. This movie has a bad reputation, so you might have read a dismissive review in a film guide and decided not to watch it. But it does have its advocates. Like me. So if you are occasionally puzzled as to why one of your favorites is being maligned by the critics, you might like Satan Met a Lady.
My dvd copy has all three and I love them all.
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Post by berkley on Nov 27, 2014 19:36:32 GMT -5
Yeah, have to agree that as great as Bogart is in the movie, he's far from being the only standout aspect to it. Greenstreet and Lorre are particularly outstanding and their roles in the Maltese Falcon have become almost as iconic in their way as Bogart's Spade. But the whole production is so well done that it'S easy to forget how good everything is - the writing for example: Huston was very smart to stick so closely to Hammett's book and the result is a tightly constructed film with great dialogue and set-pieces.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 28, 2014 13:15:48 GMT -5
Love the final shot with the elevator going down and someone else taking the stairs.
(Don't want to ruin it for anyone who has yet to see it.)
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Post by shaxper on Nov 28, 2014 23:27:46 GMT -5
So my wife unexpectedly, and incredibly kindly, gave me half the day completely to myself, and I decided to turn it into a mini movie marathon, watching M (1931), Chinatown (1974), and The Big Sleep (1946), and I learned a lot about Noir and my Noir-related preferences from watching them in such close proximity to one another.
For one thing, I've got my own working definition of a Noir film now. I think it's a film set in (then) modern times, telling the story of a character outside of the law wading through a world of crime, but not the classy, elegant criminal underworld of a typical mafia or spy film; it's got to feel dirty, messy, and sleazy, and the character has to be willing to dirty himself as well, often unable to come out clean and/or victorious by the close. I figured this out largely after watching M because, as different as all the Noir films I've watched thus far have been, M is the only one that felt like it didn't fit, and it's because it doesn't meet the critera I just laid out. The criminal underworld in that film is very clean and well organized, our protagonist does not wade in their filth at all, operating entirely outside of it and in regular society until the end, and his cleanliness or lack thereof is an issue completely left unresolved/unaddressed at the close.
For another thing, I think I like the gumshoe sub-genre of Noir the most. It gives the protagonist the opportunity to be a hero of sorts, and I'm drawn to that, whereas other Noir protagonists tend to be just as dirty (or worse) as those who surround them. It's still why I couldn't get into Double Indemnity. Well made film, but I have to be able to connect with my protagonist, and cleverness without pathos isn't enough for me. I like a good anti-hero, but he still has to be heroic. Besides, gumshoe films tend to be clever and give off a particular kind of decrepit atmosphere that I could almost wallow around in comfortably.
Finally, Humphrey Bogart is my man. I hadn't watched much with him in it before (Return of Doctor X doesn't count), but watching The Big Sleep right after Chinatown was eye opening for me. As well done as Chinatown was, I couldn't get totally into it because Jack Nicholson's J.J. Gittes, while not wanting to be a bad guy, isn't a hero either. He's brilliant but, ultimately, too slimy and self-hating, as well as unable to be truly heroic in the close. I NEEDED him to shoot the bad guy in the end, or knock down those police officers with a little more resolve while they were firing at an innocent woman. Instead, he watched one innocent victim get killed and another resigned to a fate worse than death because he wasn't a hero. Chinatown's charm, I'm sure, is that surprise ending, as well as the overall misery, loathing, and decrepitude that pervades the film. I can admire that, but I can't enjoy it.
Bogie, on the other hand, is an absurd but fun feel-good fantasy, no different than a super powered guy running around in a cape and spandex. He rolls around in the filth and can comfortably live there for a time, but he shakes it off every time. The filth never sticks to his skin. He's a hero, through and through, no matter what he says about himself, or who he's kissed when he shouldn't have. Granted, I haven't seen his earlier films, but in Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep, and Key Largo, he plays very different characters who all share that undeniable heroic streak. They have all the integrity in the world when it matters, and never fail to act in pursuit of what's right, no matter how stupid a move it may prove to be. I can't get enough of that.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 28, 2014 23:34:23 GMT -5
Sounds like a great day Shax! And I totally agree about Bogie, he's by far my favorite actor and for all the reasons you listed.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 28, 2014 23:35:38 GMT -5
Sounds like a great day Shax! And I totally agree about Bogie, he's by far my favorite actor and for all the reasons you listed. I really have to thank you for choosing this month's theme. Noir is not a genre that I would have gotten around to exploring anytime in the next ten years if you hadn't assigned it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 23:39:22 GMT -5
Sadly I barely got any moving watching time this month despite being excited about the theme. My to do list for the studio of stuff to get done before the end of the year is just too long at this point to be able to take movie watching time, and what little viewing I do is stuff I am watching with my wife and a fan of noir she is not. But I have enjoyed reading people's reactions to stuff.
I first watched The Maltese Falcon when I was a junior in high school ('85-86) and it was what made me a life time fan of Bogart and was my intro to noir style films, an interest that has grown slowly but steadily over the years. I just wish I had more time to indulge in movie watching, but fitting in a half hour tv show without interruptions is near impossible these days, let alone a feature film. I had high hopes at the beginning of the month, but when I tried watching Sniper (from the noir classic compilation) 4 times and got interrupted less than 20 minutes in each time and couldn't get back to it for at least a day each time, I was discouraged to the point of not even trying to get any film watching done.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 29, 2014 1:34:27 GMT -5
Squeezed in one more tonight: Stanley Kubrick's The Killing (1956).
This one blew me away. It had the criminal brilliance of Double Indemnity with a cast you could actually feel something for. And Kubrick's screenplay and cinematic style -- I count at least half a dozen films I've seen that borrow heavily from what he did here. Additionally, I've always liked Elisha Cook and was psyched to see him earn a leading role.
Really, I don't think I've ever seen a Kubrick film I didn't adore. I really need to see them all, eventually.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 29, 2014 14:42:52 GMT -5
Squeezed in one more tonight: Stanley Kubrick's The Killing (1956). This one blew me away. It had the criminal brilliance of Double Indemnity with a cast you could actually feel something for. And Kubrick's screenplay and cinematic style -- I count at least half a dozen films I've seen that borrow heavily from what he did here. Additionally, I've always liked Elisha Cook and was psyched to see him earn a leading role. Really, I don't think I've ever seen a Kubrick film I didn't adore. I really need to see them all, eventually. Make sure to see Paths of Glory with Kirk Douglas. Excellent.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 29, 2014 14:46:51 GMT -5
Squeezed in one more tonight: Stanley Kubrick's The Killing (1956). This one blew me away. It had the criminal brilliance of Double Indemnity with a cast you could actually feel something for. And Kubrick's screenplay and cinematic style -- I count at least half a dozen films I've seen that borrow heavily from what he did here. Additionally, I've always liked Elisha Cook and was psyched to see him earn a leading role. Really, I don't think I've ever seen a Kubrick film I didn't adore. I really need to see them all, eventually. Make sure to see Paths of Glory with Kirk Douglas. Excellent. Already adore that one
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 29, 2014 14:48:01 GMT -5
A man of taste.
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