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Post by codystarbuck on May 5, 2021 21:36:11 GMT -5
Well, not only that, but period references, older slang.....it was a different generation. For the most part, the show avoided too many contemporary references; but, there are some plot points and some dialogue that are pure 70s. You would also have an issue with political correctness, both for racial stereotypes and sexist material. Our PBS station never ran at least two (possibly 3) episodes, due to blackface scenes. When I purchased the DVDs and watched, I was amazed to see a Christmas show I hadn't seen in the rotation and saw why, when Mr Grainger appears in blackface. There was also the later episode where they research Mr Grace's family history, doing stereotypical entertainments, based on the heritage uncovered (Welsh mining song, Scottish dance) and the finale is a minstral show song and dance, with everyone in blackface. I was amazed they did that then. Ooof, do you think the Benny Hill show would have or did have the same problems? Both are of their time. Are You Being Served? was what was known as "seaside postcard humor;" or, ""end of the pier humor." Seaside resorts often had entertainment piers, with shows and other entertainments going on, often involving lots of double entendre and innuendo, as well as other vulgarities. Naughty stuff, but not usually in an aggressive way. You also had comics who were noted for sexist and racist remarks, though that style came under fire more and more into the 80s and beyond. Benny Hill was more of the "music hall" style of comedy, akin to vaudeville, with comic sketches, humorous musical pieces and visual gags. Again, a bawdier style, aimed at the lower classes. Same kind of thing in the US, with vaudeville and burlesque and racier stuff like National Lampoon and the Undergrounds. Benny Hill was shown in the US on several networks and was usually censored, unless it was a pay medium, like HBO (and I wanna say at least one of the pay channels broadcast it in the 80s). British broadcasting standards were different than the FCC, too. Monty Python had one or 2 nude scenes in the tv series and I did see those on PBS, but not on Comedy Central, when they later ran it. British programming, by the 90s (I think) could go even further, with language or nudity, after 9 or 10:00 pm, after some changes in the regulations. US tv has relaxed some restrictions on certain words and types of scenes, but not to the same degree, except pay networks. If you look at some American tv today, they can't do a lot of what they did 20 or 30 years ago. SNL can't do a lot of the same kind of stuff they did in the original years, like Buck Henry's creepy uncle character, or the racist song that Garret Morris parodied in an episode. Stuff like Police Woman and Charlie's Angels would be ripped to shreds. Archie Bunker would have been severely altered. Some of that is progress, some of that is fear, because context gets forgotten when Twitter explodes. I once saw a piece on Bravo (possibly Black and White in Colour), originally from a UK broadcast, about race in comedy, which featured comedian Lenny Henry (Lenny Henry Show, Chef, appearances on the Young Ones, Secret Policeman's Ball) talked about his beginnings, as he appeared on The Black & White Minstrel Show, in 1975, and he deeply regretted it, because of the racist content; but, at the same time, it was an opening for him in show business that led to things that allowed him to satirize those stereotypes.
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Post by brutalis on May 8, 2021 8:21:10 GMT -5
If talking classic British comedy shows then one must include 2 unique physical comedians whom created memorable television that remains hilarious even today. John Cleese gave to us Fawlty Towers, a vacation stay nightmare experience along with his other show alongside his Monty Python buddies in a series of wild sketches. Then there is the brilliance of Rowan Atkinson giving us Mr. Bean and Black Adder.
All 4 of these series sit proudly upon my DVD library shelf of most laugh out loud funniest television shows EVER. Both men are British National Treasures who have transcended into world wide fame. You can laugh until your belly and head hurt with their unique blend of characters who have taken physical and wordplay (even non vocal) comedy to extremely funny ends. If I have really depressingly black cloudy moments come around, I pop in a DVD to drive the blues away. Sitting back to watch any of these shows will guarantee I walk away from my doldrums with a smile.
I have local PBS to thank for delivering this comedic pair into my life. In the beginning there was the Python troupe for late Saturday night viewing hilarity. Then later Basil Fawlty ranting his way into my brain. Mr. Bean silently made me laugh out loud in his oddness until Black Adder began bringing forth historic laughter. PBS took these very British comedies and sent them into American homes across the USA and suddenly all of us teens (and a few elders, my grandpa loved Black Adder & Fawlty) had something new to laugh at.
I dare anyone to NOT laugh from the antics of these 2 comedic geniuses.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 8, 2021 18:23:13 GMT -5
Clease was both a physical stand-out and a writing one, at Python and he and Connie Booth created one of the best comedy series, ever; though at 12 episodes, they kept it tight enough to avoid the pitfalls of most series. Python really didn't work when John left, as the 4th series really demonstrates, as you can see the others struggling to create sketches that have the same impact as in the previous 3. A couple of the conceptual ones end up working fairly well, but they have hiccups (Mr Neutron has some funny stuff; but it is up and down, as is the Golden Age of Ballooning).
Fawlty Towers is just a brilliant piece of work, from both a character perspective and the plots. The only criticism I could level is the question that Prunella Scales first raised when she met John, to talk about Sybil: why has she stayed with this man? He responded "I knew someone was going to ask that!" and he never had a good reason. Prunella kind of concocted her own line of reasoning in building her approach to the character. In interviews, she said she imagined that Sybil had the background in hotels, probably from a family business and met the posher Basil, when he was probably fresh out of the Army, looking young and smart. Perhaps he was her way out of the family situation and there was at least an attraction, at the start; but, then it became a life and, as bad as it was, it was better than the alternative.
Having worked in retail for 25+ years, there are many times when I could respond to jerks like Basil.
Terrific cast in that, too, both in the regulars and the guests (especially Geoffrey Palmer, as the doctor trying to get his breakfast, while dealing with a dead man, Bernard Cribbins, as the salesman mistaken as a hotel inspector and Joan Sanderson, playing Mrs Richards, the demanding woman with the hearing aid turned down).
I prefer Black Adder to Mr Bean, though there is some riotous stuff in Bean. Problem is that some of the bits get a bit repetitive, as you watch episodes. Black Adder lets Atkinson do a bit more; plus, you get wordplay, along with physical comedy. As much as his performance in that, you have to credit supporting actors, like Tim McInnerny, Tony Robinson, Brian Blessed, Stephen fry, Miranda Richardson, Hugh Laurie, Rik Mayall and Patsy Byrne. Ben Elton is probably the unsung hero of the series as you can really see the great leap forward when he joined Atkinson and Richard Curtis for the second series, set in the Elizabethan Period. The first series struggles to really find its way and only succeeds in the latter half of episodes, for my money. Blackadder II hits the ground running and never stops. Similarly, Elton does a fine job in crafting The Thin Blue Line for Atkinson, presenting a sort of second generation Dad's Army, as he uses the same basic character types (more or less, given the difference in time frames and circumstances). I enjoyed the two series of that immensely. not quite as hilariously funny visual stuff as Bean or Blackadder, but a good traditional situation comedy.
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Post by comicsandwho2 on May 10, 2021 4:33:11 GMT -5
Backing up a bit to "Grace and Favour/AYBS? Again!", there were no plans for a third series, because it had somewhat unspectacular viewing figures over two series. There was a Christmas special planned, but John Inman and other cast members confirmed(in pledge drive appearances and interviews) that the special was cancelled, apparently due to a change of programming personnel. The special was intended to be a proper farewell, with Mr. Lucas and Mr. Spooner among the guests for the wedding of Mr. Humphries and Mavis...with hilarious complications ensuing...including, at long last, "Mr. Slocombe" showing up.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 10, 2021 9:34:57 GMT -5
"Little Britain" kept me laughing for quite a while. Mostly the earliest episodes, though, I will admit.
A longtime favorite of ours now headed towards its final season: "Doc Martin," with the excellent Martin Clunes. Every episode is like taking a vacation in Cornwall, a friend always says to me.
His programs about dogs, horses and other animals -- he's a passionate animal-lover, unlike the prickly Martin Ellingham -- are also a joy.
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Post by EdoBosnar on May 10, 2021 10:44:10 GMT -5
(...) A longtime favorite of ours now headed towards its final season: "Doc Martin," with the excellent Martin Clunes. Every episode is like taking a vacation in Cornwall, a friend always says to me. His programs about dogs, horses and other animals -- he's a passionate animal-lover, unlike the prickly Martin Ellingham -- are also a joy. "Doc Martin" is a show I only discovered recently - the national broadcaster began airing it from its first season a few months ago in the late mornings and my partner started watching it and kind of got me hooked. It's very well done, a perfect blend of family/relationship drama and situation comedy - but with really clever and nuanced dry humor. Before this, I only knew Clunes from a 1990s sitcom called "Men Behaving Badly" and a few movies in which he played essentially the same type of character, i.e., an obnoxious, oafish slob. He's really fantastic playing against type (well, the type I associated with him) in 'Doc Martin.'
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Post by codystarbuck on May 10, 2021 21:26:34 GMT -5
Backing up a bit to "Grace and Favour/AYBS? Again!", there were no plans for a third series, because it had somewhat unspectacular viewing figures over two series. There was a Christmas special planned, but John Inman and other cast members confirmed(in pledge drive appearances and interviews) that the special was cancelled, apparently due to a change of programming personnel. The special was intended to be a proper farewell, with Mr. Lucas and Mr. Spooner among the guests for the wedding of Mr. Humphries and Mavis...with hilarious complications ensuing...including, at long last, "Mr. Slocombe" showing up. Mr Slocombe turned up in the second series, in the episode "Mr Slocombe." He was now wealthy and was potentially buying the manor. Mrs Slocombe is hidden, so that she won't be embarrassed by having her ex see her station in life and masquerades (under a heavy coat and hat,) as Mr Moulterd's wife. The group isn't keen to sell, because they like their life and they are making a decent income, but the terms of the trust might force the situation. They concoct a plan to convince Mr Slocombe that the staff is as large as the old days, when it was a country estate and all pretend to be various figures (milk maids, game keepers, farm hands, etc). Actually a very funny episode. They might have mixed intended plots when discussing it or they meant Mr Slocombe would return and find Mrs Slocombe. From what some of the cast have said, they felt that if they had gone with the US title, it might have attracted more viewers who didn't realize it was a sequel to AYBS. I wonder, given how popular it was in the US, with stations running the old and the sequel, whether they could have arranged a joint deal for it. The BBC did make a lot of decisions, in that period, it came to regret (such as the whole Dr Who situation).
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Post by codystarbuck on May 10, 2021 21:37:40 GMT -5
(...) A longtime favorite of ours now headed towards its final season: "Doc Martin," with the excellent Martin Clunes. Every episode is like taking a vacation in Cornwall, a friend always says to me. His programs about dogs, horses and other animals -- he's a passionate animal-lover, unlike the prickly Martin Ellingham -- are also a joy. "Doc Martin" is a show I only discovered recently - the national broadcaster began airing it from its first season a few months ago in the late mornings and my partner started watching it and kind of got me hooked. It's very well done, a perfect blend of family/relationship drama and situation comedy - but with really clever and nuanced dry humor. Before this, I only knew Clunes from a 1990s sitcom called "Men Behaving Badly" and a few movies in which he played essentially the same type of character, i.e., an obnoxious, oafish slob. He's really fantastic playing against type (well, the type I associated with him) in 'Doc Martin.'
Love Doc Martin, but only got to see it up to the point his son (think it was a son) was born. Always liked the mix of comedy and drama in there; very well balanced, with a great cast. Martin Clunes has done several things that bear watching. he did a series called William and Mary that I quite enjoyed. He is a widower mortician and, via a dating service, he meets and falls in love with a midwife. He has a daughter and she has two sons. It was interesting in that she dealt with the beginning of life and he dealt with the end, and certain episodes gave you those perspectives, especially the death end, as it was a family business and you could see he really cared that people went to their rest in a proper and dignified way, but one that served the needs of the grieving. There is an episode with a child (killed in an accident, I believe) and he remarks how the family traditionally never charged to do the funeral for a child, though they are currently on shaky financial ground. His staff agrees, but there is a parent who is reluctant. it also deals with the grief of the youth's friends and gets into the celebration of their life. really interesting series, very well done and quite romantic, at times. Clunes also starred in a tv movie version of Goodbye, Mr Chips that was very well done. Always enjoy when he guest hosts Have I Got News For You, as he has great fun doing it and sells the jokes well. One episode featured a famous art piece that he posed for (one of a group of people) as a young man. Not too hard to spot him. He also later starred in a remake of the Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin (originally with Leonard Rossiter), just called Reggie Perrin which was okay, but nothing spectacular. It has moments, but is kind of uneven.
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Post by badwolf on May 12, 2021 11:04:47 GMT -5
Clease was both a physical stand-out and a writing one, at Python and he and Connie Booth created one of the best comedy series, ever; though at 12 episodes, they kept it tight enough to avoid the pitfalls of most series. Python really didn't work when John left, as the 4th series really demonstrates, as you can see the others struggling to create sketches that have the same impact as in the previous 3. A couple of the conceptual ones end up working fairly well, but they have hiccups (Mr Neutron has some funny stuff; but it is up and down, as is the Golden Age of Ballooning). The Michael Ellis episode is one of my favorites of the whole series, although Cleese is credited with some of the writing on that one.
Mr Bean was okay, but got old rather fast. I much prefer verbal comedy to physical so Blackadder is miles ahead for me.
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Post by badwolf on May 12, 2021 11:05:36 GMT -5
Clunes also starred in a tv movie version of Goodbye, Mr Chips that was very well done. I remember enjoying a version with Roy Marsden in the title role back in the 80s.
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Post by MDG on May 12, 2021 14:01:23 GMT -5
Clease was both a physical stand-out and a writing one, at Python and he and Connie Booth created one of the best comedy series, ever; though at 12 episodes, they kept it tight enough to avoid the pitfalls of most series. Python really didn't work when John left, as the 4th series really demonstrates, as you can see the others struggling to create sketches that have the same impact as in the previous 3. A couple of the conceptual ones end up working fairly well, but they have hiccups (Mr Neutron has some funny stuff; but it is up and down, as is the Golden Age of Ballooning). The Michael Ellis episode is one of my favorites of the whole series, although Cleese is credited with some of the writing on that one.
I've got a TPB that is the script to Holy Grail that includes a rough draft. In that draft, the main story sidetracks into Michael Ellis, the boxer "wit' 'is 'ead torn off" and a couple of other bits that were done on the show.
On Fawlty Towers: my son loves the show, so a while back we tried to get through episodes of the three(!) failed american versions. Tough slogs, even with some good casting.
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Post by badwolf on May 12, 2021 14:43:15 GMT -5
On Fawlty Towers: my son loves the show, so a while back we tried to get through episodes of the three(!) failed american versions. Tough slogs, even with some good casting.
I've never seen it, and forgot that it even existed. Three you say??
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Post by codystarbuck on May 12, 2021 15:29:34 GMT -5
On Fawlty Towers: my son loves the show, so a while back we tried to get through episodes of the three(!) failed american versions. Tough slogs, even with some good casting.
I've never seen it, and forgot that it even existed. Three you say?? Snavely, aka Chateau Snavely (with Harvey Korman & Betty White), Amanda's (with Bea Arthur) and Payne (with John Larroquette). The first was shot in 1978, as a pilot, but never picked up. It featured a roadside motel, rather than a seaside hotel. I can only imagine how bad it must have been. The second was in 1983 and went to series, with 13 episodes filmed but only 10 aired. Arthur was essentially Basil & Sybil, with nothing of the original in it, except a chaarcter, named Aldo, who was based on Manuel. The producer was a writer on Maude, who approached Bea Arthur with the idea and tapes of the original, which she loved; but she then complained when the scripts that were written were nothing like Fawlty Towers. Cleese found out about it at a party and was told they had taken Basil out of it and his thoughts of large checks soon dwindled. Payne was produced by Larroquette and aired 9 of 10 produced episodes. Like Amanda's, it was set on the California coast, in a hotel called the Whispering Pines (they diid sign gags, but with it falling over, or pieces missing, etc). JoBeth Williams played the wife, called Connie. The relationship was the same, except Royal (the Basil chaarcter) was hot in bed, which is why she stayed, no doubt tossed in for Larroquette's ego (though it makes more sense than why Sybil stays, based on what you see in FT). It was pretty much trashed by critics, from the word go and ratings weren't great. Here's Snavely... Amanda's... and Payne...
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Post by badwolf on May 12, 2021 15:54:52 GMT -5
Yikes! I guess if I'd never seen the original they might be amusing. Nice to know Bea was a fan.
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Post by berkley on May 12, 2021 16:39:15 GMT -5
Yikes! I guess if I'd never seen the original they might be amusing. Nice to know Bea was a fan. Yeah that's about how I feel. I like Bea Arthur and Harvey Korman but not tempted to try any of these. None of the American remakes of British shows have felt watchable to me whenever I've seen the original first. Man About the House.The Office, .... I liked All in the Family but never saw the English show it was based on. I wonder if the reverse will hold true and I won't be able to enjoy the original, if I ever try it!
What were the classic UK shows of the 50s, if there were any, comedies or otherwise? I think I have an idea of what I want to watch from the 60s but not from the preceding decades. The only thing that springs to mind off the top of my head is the Quatermass specials. Of course on radio there was The Goon Show, I must try to find some online episodes of that sometime soon.
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