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Post by shaxper on Oct 25, 2014 11:16:55 GMT -5
I was a massive fan of the original publisher, and I'm only recently getting into the new stuff. I just read through every issue of the new Harbinger series in a marathon binge that sort of rocked my world, and I'm planning to do X-O Manowar next.
Any other fans out there?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 14:57:35 GMT -5
I have never read a Valiant comic in my life. I wasn't into comics with any real enthusiasm until the last 10-15 years, but what little I read was Big 2 (or, more likely, Archie Digest). I viewed Image/Valiant/etc as lesser product not worth my money. A new publisher coming along in my lifetime didn't fill me with excitment. I've said elsewhere that I like continuity, but back then it wasn't just something I liked, a lack of continuity was a negative. And these new guys didn't have that to offer yet.
The recent(ish) relaunch seems to have been well recieved, but I've never been able to shake that initial feeling of a lesser product. I'm definitely interested to see if this discussion takes off.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 25, 2014 17:52:01 GMT -5
I have never read a Valiant comic in my life. I wasn't into comics with any real enthusiasm until the last 10-15 years, but what little I read was Big 2 (or, more likely, Archie Digest). I viewed Image/Valiant/etc as lesser product not worth my money. A new publisher coming along in my lifetime didn't fill me with excitment. I've said elsewhere that I like continuity, but back then it wasn't just something I liked, a lack of continuity was a negative. And these new guys didn't have that to offer yet. The recent(ish) relaunch seems to have been well recieved, but I've never been able to shake that initial feeling of a lesser product. I'm definitely interested to see if this discussion takes off. Interesting. What brought Valiant attention both times around was that the writing and adherence to continuity were stronger than in most of the products being put out by the Big Two. The original Valiant's one drawback was largely inferior art, but the new Valiant definitely isn't experiencing that problem. Right now, what I'm respecting most about Valiant is that they've been around for over two years now and managed to keep all of the original creative teams on the book, maintaining consistency and long term planning in each title. The writer for Harbinger recently explained that the reason volume 1 ended with issue #25 was that he felt the first novel was over, and it was time to begin the second. In short, for all the reasons you've outlined, I think Valiant might be right up your alley. Of course, I've only read Harbinger and some of Bloodshot and X-O at this point, but everything I've read has been either good or great.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:29:34 GMT -5
I may throw a TPB or two in my next Amazon order. Probably go with X-O and Harbinger.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:40:15 GMT -5
I tried Harbinger and X-O when they started, got the FCBD issue and the early issues of both, mostly drawn to the Cary Nord art on X-O, but thought they were both only ok, and didn't continue to pick hem up. I did pick up the first Archer and Armstrong trade at a show on the cheap, and quite enjoyed that, but wasn't inspired to go out and pick up any more issues. So I find they are perfectly ok comics, but there are just other comics new and old I would rather spend my money on and my time reading than them. On the negative side, they are starting to twine everything together to the point where it is becoming an all or nothing proposition to some extent, and my reaction to that as a consumer is always the same-make me choose all or nothing and I will always choose nothing. Let me pick and choose what I like naturally, and I will likely sample more if I like one, try to force my hand and I will pull it back empty.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 22:15:19 GMT -5
I don't mind the idea of all the Valiant books becoming a big all-or-nothing proposition, despite hating crossovers from the Big 2. It doesn't sound like it would work for someone who doesn't buy floppies,though.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 25, 2014 22:48:34 GMT -5
The crossovers have been handled incredibly tastefully. For example, when Bloodshot, Harbinger, and the limited Harbinger Wars titles all intertwined for four months, you truly didn't need to read the other titles to understand what was transpiring. Harbinger Wars gave you the overview, Harbinger gave you everything you needed to know from the Harbinger team's perspective, and Bloodshot told the same story from Bloodshot's perspective. It was innovative and utterly respectful to fans on limited budgets, encouraging you to sample and check out the other title, but not punishing you for choosing not to do so.
That being said, if you read the titles and they didn't grab you, well there's no response to that. They just aren't right for you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 23:09:29 GMT -5
I liked them enough that I might grab them to read out of bargain bins and such, but not enough to beat out what is on my pull list since I am already cutting books I definitely would read if I had a bigger budget.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 25, 2014 23:11:44 GMT -5
I liked them enough that I might grab them to read out of bargain bins and such, but not enough to beat out what is on my pull list since I am already cutting books I definitely would read if I had a bigger budget. -M That was my take at first, too. I set impossibly high standards for a book that's going to cost me $3.99 every single month. That's why I ended up buying the Harbinger and X-O Manowar runs as back issues through mycomicshop, all in FN condition at about $2 a piece. Then, having combed through Harbinger (I'm still reading X-O), I determined that it had gotten good enough to actually warrant my $3.99 each month, but it didn't hit that stride until around issue #12. That's when I realized the writer had a true long-reaching plan, both for the series and for the development of the individual characters within it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 0:43:18 GMT -5
I will say The Valiant mini by Jeff Lemire, Matt Kindt and Paolo Rivera looks intriguing though.
-M
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 26, 2014 14:57:38 GMT -5
I'm reading the entire line, but I hate paying full price for anything except red hot things I can't live without right now, like Multiversity and Future's End.
About once a year Valiant will put their entire output up to about 2 months ago on sale @ $ 1 ea. I buy everything I don't already have. Everything, and I love the entire line. I love everything about them and still say for a superhero universe this is the creme de la creme. It's still small enough to be manageable and in good taste with 8 titles / month. They've done everything the way they promised to, have had great story, art, production values, integrity, and I love em for it. They're the best. If I could only buy one superhero imprint it would either be this or DC. Really hard to say.
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Post by dupersuper on Oct 28, 2014 21:24:33 GMT -5
I haven't yet, but they look interesting.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 28, 2014 22:27:46 GMT -5
I read most of the early X-O, then into Unity, but they lost me with Armor Hunters... I was really looking forward to see how the new status quo would work, then they do a silly alien thing? It fits and all (with the X-O armor being alient tech and all) it's just not what I wanted. That combined with the $3.99 price point and lesser discounts out there made me decide they weren't worth the money. I'd pick some others up at the right price, though.
I've also read a bit of the other titles... Eternal Warrior had a few interesting bits, I'd probably read more if I found them at a decent price.
I was a pretty big fan of the Acclaim version of the Valiant universe, I read just about every one of those titles... I've read some of the original, I might at some point try to get more of those... I really like Rai, Magnus and HARD Corps (those that I have).
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Post by shaxper on Nov 9, 2014 21:06:20 GMT -5
I'm currently reading the Armor Hunters event, myself. I find the back story intriguing, but this far into things, I'm still not sold on the protagonist of X-O Manowar. I have zero inclination to pick up the next issue, and probably wouldn't if I hadn't already bought them all.
Also, for a company that's worked so hard to be more real than other superhero universes and to explain things so carefully, why did ALL these superheroes just happen to rise up in 2012? Most of the incidents that brought them into being were not related.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 6:56:49 GMT -5
I'm thinking about checking them out during the DC Comics Multiversity Event that I seems do not care about at all.
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