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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 22, 2020 7:37:49 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to look over the previous threads started by shax but I'm sure today's choice has already been mentioned multiple times. So I hope you'll forgive me if I don't spend a lot of effort explaining why
3. Alan Moore
made my list. In the late '80s, Moore virtually reinvented the craft of comics scripting with his iconoclastic plotting and intricate, poetic wordsmithing. You know the list: Miracleman, V for Vendetta, Swamp Thing. "For the Man Who Has Everything." Watchmen, "Whatever Became of the Man of Tomorrow?." The Killing Joke, From Hell, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, etc. Not everything he's written appeals to me--1963 was a waste of paper and the premise of Lost Girls revolts me--and I'm unfamiliar with most of his later work, but there's no questioning the man's brilliance.
Cei-U! I summon "Pog"!
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Post by brutalis on Dec 22, 2020 8:29:58 GMT -5
#3-Mike W. Barr
I was picking up ANYTHING this man wrote at the time. Mostly singular or double issues of various Marvel or DC books so I never knew where I would find him next. But he did have me hooked with his 16 issues of Star Trek, his Batman and the Outsider's in bringing together an eclectic group under the protective cape of Batman. Also quite a good run with Batman/Detective. But he left his mark upon my psyche for 2 very special series...Camelot 3000 and the Maze Agency.
Those 2 alone were great, satisfying reads which I can pick up and read over and over again. It felt like Barr wrote what he wanted to read, and it just so happened be what i liked as well.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 22, 2020 8:51:32 GMT -5
On the Tenth Day of Classic Comics Christmas, A hero gave to me, protagonists with humanity... 3. Chris Claremont Primarily selected for X-Men and Marada the She-Wolf (1975-1991) Claremont seemed to love his characters in a way few other writers ever have. He cared about their hopes, dreams, and insecurities; he cared about what kept them up at night. And when they faced a throw away villain, he understood how that experience tied into the complex web of thoughts and emotions that made them who they were. Characters were constantly growing/evolving, and thus so was the team. Line-ups changed, characterizations changed, Storm could shave off most of her head and become the leader of the Morlocks and it would make sense based on all that she'd already experienced. Sure, it led to favorite characters leaving and/or sometimes becoming unlikable, but it was real. And, regardless of what anyone tries to tell you, it was in play before Byrne got there and was still happening long after Byrne left. While Claremont is only my third favorite writer, his X-Men are by far my favorite mainstream comic run of all time.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 22, 2020 9:05:46 GMT -5
3. Alan Moore
For all the reasons given by others up to now.
He managed the not trivial feat of completely reinventing the way American-style comic-books are written without ever showing contempt for them; in fact, his reinvention showed a deep love for the genre.
I was floored by his Swamp Thing. I thought "For the man who has everything" had, in just one panel, the best definition of the relationship between Superman and Wonder Woman, ever. I thought John Constantine was the coolest creation of his time. I thought From Hell was a masterpiece. I couldn't get over how relevant V for Vendetta was to our real world. I read and re-read Watchmen so often that the trade paperback almost fell to pieces. And so on and so forth...
He'd guest write an issue of this or that title and redefine it so deeply that the book would be changed forever, so powerful was his vision.
Moore had a big impact on pop culture, an impact that extended beyond comics with the now omnipresent V mask worn by protestors and assorted would-be anarchists the world over. Many other famous writers were clearly influenced by his work, although none managed to equal him in my opinion.
And I love to hear him speak!!! His voice and accent are just brilliant. So... Alan Moore-like!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 9:28:11 GMT -5
On the tenth day of Christmas, Santa brought to me the works of Kurt Busiek... Works that garnered Kurt favorite status: Conan, Astro City, Avengers, The Wizard's Tale, Arrowsmith, Shock Rockets, Marvels, Iron Man, Legend of Wonder Woman, Power Man and Iron Fist, JLA/Avengers, Green Lantern in Wednesday Comics, Thunderbolts, Thor: Godstorm, Untold Tales of Spider-Man, and some that are too recent to be eligible for this event Why I like Busiek's work: Kurt has worked on some of my favorite properties and was the first comic creator I interacted with on a regular basis in the nascent days of the internet when mailing lists (both public and invitation only ones) were de rigeur, so it is difficult for me to be objective, as I have a strong bias here, but that being said, the thing I like most about Kurt's work is the feeling of authenticity in evokes. When he works on other's properties, it feels authentic-his Conan feels like Howard's Conan, his Avengers feel and act like the Avengers for example. He gets the properties and it translates onto the page in his stories. But his creator-owned work has that authenticity too. His worlds feel real and authentic. The world of Astro City feels like a "real" super-hero world and his characters feel like they fit into that world. His world in The Wizard's Tale feels like a real fantasy world, as does the worlds of Arrowsmith or Shock Rockets, etc. His world building and his characters work (this applies even more so to the world of The Autumnlands one of his creator-owned works too recent for inclusion here but it shows as good as he is, Kurt continues to grow and improve as a writer as well). Single Work I would recommend to someone unfamiliar with Busiek's work: The Wizard's Tale with Dave Wentzel though there are many you could recommend and not go wrong. -M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 22, 2020 10:07:18 GMT -5
3. Ed Brubaker (Scene of the Crime, Criminal, Gotham Central, Captain America, Incognito, Marvels Project, post 2010 stuff that blows everything away) Ed Brubaker is one of two currently working writers who I will jump through any hoops to buy their work. The other is Mark Russell, who isn't eligible for this list or he'd have been pretty high on it also. While I like the long-underwear work that Brubaker has done it's his non-superhero work that really puts him in the upper echelon of comic writers for me. I first noticed him on Scene of the Crime, a mini that was likely one of the last comics I bought before law school ended and I went on a hiatus. It was a super strong crime/noir book with a compelling storyline and a nice hardboiled protagonist. So something we hadn't really seen in comics since Ms. Tree. His work on Scene and on Gotham Central was strong enough to make me pick up the trades of Captain America even though I was pretty sure I was morally opposed to the storyline. He pulled it off. And then came Criminal. And Brubaker (and Sean Phillips) simply proved they were worthy of being mentioned in the same breath with the very best crime/noir writers. Everything he's done for Image since then has proven that he's a once-in-a-generation crime writer.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 22, 2020 10:10:04 GMT -5
#3 – Kurt Busiek ( Marvels mini-series [1993-1994], Untold Tales of Spider-Man [1995-1997], Astro City [1995-2018]) My first encounter with Kurt Busiek's writing was on the mini-series Marvels, which re-tells some of the major events of the Marvel Silver Age through the eyes of photo-journalist Phil Sheldon and culminates in a masterful and moving re-telling of the death of Gwen Stacy. The writing on Marvels is some of Busiek's best. From there he went on to write Untold Tales of Spider-Man, which featured stories set between the issues of the early Stan Lee/Steve Ditko run of Amazing Spider-Man. That could've been a terrible idea, but Busiek's feel for Silver Age Marvel was so spot on that his "untold tales" meshed perfectly with what had come before. The real wonder of Busiek's writing though wasn't revealed until his own, creator-owned series, Astro City, which I was onboard with from issue #1. It's a close stylistic relative to Marvels and uses the same broad story concept of, "what would it actually be like to be an ordinary person living in a world that is populated by super-powered heroes and villains." But Busiek goes a step further and on occasion also ponders what would it be like to be a superhero living in a world populated by super-powered heroes and villains. While there is certainly meta-commentary on the superhero genre in Astro City, it's also a really refreshing return to the optimistic comic storytelling of old. Busiek has crafted a series of memorable stories and believable characters, in a book that rarely disappoints. From Astro City, issue #4 (1995)...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 10:22:42 GMT -5
#3 - Barrie TomlinsonWho? I know what you’re all asking. Tomlinson is a writer who has written and edited for so many UK comics. His body of work may be even more vast than one expects because I suspect (without proof) that he may have written under a pseudonym or two. He wrote for the following (not an exhaustive list): Eagle, Speed, Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, Wildcat, Roy of the Rovers, etc, etc. He could turn his hand to anything, from sports stories to adventure stories. To be honest, a lot of UK comics in my youth didn’t often feature credits, so it was only years later that I discovered just how much this guy wrote. His book is worth reading, filled with anecdotes: www.amazon.co.uk/Comic-Book-Hero-Working-Britains/dp/178531324XAnd if that’s not enough, he wrote a football strip for UK rag the Daily Mirror. The strip was called “Scorer”, a football strip with plenty of action and drama, some of which featured violence here or there. “Scorer” was actually quite dark at times, a lot darker than most sports strips. Thank you, Mr Tomlinson, for your work. A lot of it is being reprinted now thanks to publisher Rebellion.
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Post by MDG on Dec 22, 2020 10:26:53 GMT -5
William Messner LoebsA fine artist, Loebs is an excellent writer as well. The standouts for me are his run on Jonny Quest for Comico (with a variety of artists) and the hard-to-find Epicurus the Sage. Jonny Quest played up the family aspect without ever forgetting the adventure part. Epicurus is thoughtful and very funny, beautifully drawn by Sam Keith (an artist I can barely tolerate--though can appreciate—on established characters).
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Post by DubipR on Dec 22, 2020 10:29:38 GMT -5
Seems like the old wizard is the man of the hour.... #3- Alan MooreSelected Works: Watchmen, DR & Quinch, From Hell, Lost Girls, Captain Britain, Marvelman, Swamp Thing, the ABC line What can we say about Alan Moore that hasn't been said. Probably the most most important mainstream author this side of Stan Lee in terms of modern influence in comics. With Watchmen bringing comics to a newer audience, but the Moore I like is his off kilter works. I first read Moore with Watchmen but looked out for Swamp Thing back issues and devoured his work. I love the deconstruction of Moore's work; telling each tale with reverence without pandering to editorial and telling the story he wants to tell. Moore's telling of stories... he loves the world of the word. You can feel the weight of each word that's on the page. The way he tells, and lets the artist tell his story; it's so dense and detailed in each panel. I know from my conversations with Dave Gibbons that his scripts for Watchmen were mini novels; same with JH Williams III with Promethea. The page isn't wasted with his descriptions and words. I'm love his ABC line from DC. Each comic was a homage to those that came before him. Tom Strong with the pulps. Promethea was Moore's manifesto on the power of magick and superhero mythology. Tomorrow Stories was his Amazing Stories. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was Farmer's Wold Newton comic. Also something like Lost Girls; basically elevating classic stories and pornography into a higher form. He doesn't skirt away from pushing the boundaries. I came super late into reading his 2000AD books but fell in love with DR and Quinch and Halo Jones. You can see where he uses these scripts and concepts and re-hashes them, introduces them to an American audience and it changes the game. He's always worth reading. I haven't tried to attempt to read his novel Jerusalem (10,000 pages scares me).
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Post by DubipR on Dec 22, 2020 10:40:02 GMT -5
#3 - Barrie TomlinsonWho? I know what you’re all asking. Tomlinson is a writer who has written and edited for so many UK comics. His body of work may be even more vast than one expects because I suspect (without proof) that he may have written under a pseudonym or two. He wrote for the following (not an exhaustive list): Eagle, Speed, Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, Wildcat, Roy of the Rovers, etc, etc. He could turn his hand to anything, from sports stories to adventure stories. To be honest, a lot of UK comics in my youth didn’t often feature credits, so it was only years later that I discovered just how much this guy wrote. His book is worth reading, filled with anecdotes: www.amazon.co.uk/Comic-Book-Hero-Working-Britains/dp/178531324XAnd if that’s not enough, he wrote a football strip for UK rag the Daily Mirror. The strip was called “Scorer”, a football strip with plenty of action and drama, some of which featured violence here or there. “Scorer” was actually quite dark at times, a lot darker than most sports strips. Thank you, Mr Tomlinson, for your work. A lot of it is being reprinted now thanks to publisher Rebellion. I have to say driver1980, you have introduced me to a lot of UK writers I didn't have the honor of reading or knowing for that matter. Your write-ups have been not only nostalgic, but super informative and has me looking online to order and read. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 11:00:09 GMT -5
Thank you. Of course, if you order anything, be aware, as I am, that the nostalgia may not survive the test of time (I know you know that), but I certainly derived enjoyment from catching up with some of them, including the recent Wildcat reprints from Rebellion.
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 22, 2020 11:59:26 GMT -5
3. Alan MooreJust messing with you. 3. Charles BiroI've only read a few of Biro's most famous works in Crime Does Not Pay, Crime and Punishment, and Daredevil Comics. But of course he's making my list for Boy Comics. It's well know that Biro was basically the prototype that Stan Lee patterned himself after. During the Golden Age, Biro was writing the kind of naturalistic, rounded character studies that Lee would later emulate when he created the Marvel Universe. Biro also had an outsized cult of personality in his comics that he fostered aggressively with fans - again, a blueprint for Lee, who reportedly would sometimes call Biro and pester him for advice. At one point in the 60's, Lee considered bringing Biro on board at Marvel, but after a meeting decided they couldn't coexist under the same roof. Which is too bad, because Biro's writing is head and shoulders above most of his Golden Age contemporaries, at least when it comes to character work. Most of his stories are slow burn studies of crooks and victims. The art is cramped and small, because Biro fills every panel with enough words to make Roy Thomas blanch. But the effect of that is oddly powerful. Major plot events, like murders and maimings and betrayals are depicted in his scripts with the same amount of space and energy as talking heads, or anything else - so instead of feeling extraordinary, the ultra-violence in his stories becomes mundane, which is even worse. There's nothing remarkable about the depravity of human behavior, seems to be Biro's message. He also had an almost post-modern style that's really only come into fashion in the 00's - none of his characters in Boy Comics ever have thought balloons. Everything is spoken dialogue, so a person's character is revealed through word and through deed. He also wasn't above making some meta-commentary on comics themsevles, which again feels very modern. Here's a page from one of my favorite issues, Boy Comics #60. This issue came out in 1950, right when all the superhero books were being cancelled. In this story, Crimebuster's mentor Loover and some of his friends stage an intervention to get him to wear pants instead of a silly costume. I have to think this is an intentional commentary on the silliness of the fading superhero genre, which Biro never seemed to really love.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 22, 2020 12:13:07 GMT -5
William Messner LoebsA fine artist, Loebs is an excellent writer as well. The standouts for me are his run on Jonny Quest for Comico (with a variety of artists) and the hard-to-find Epicurus the Sage. Jonny Quest played up the family aspect without ever forgetting the adventure part. Epicurus is thoughtful and very funny, beautifully drawn by Sam Keith (an artist I can barely tolerate--though can appreciate—on established characters). I've loved Epicurus from the moment I saw the advanced copy to promote the graphic novel. That thing is a riot, reflects actual Greek mythology and philosophy and is just brilliantly done. I contemplated substituting Loebs for one of my other picks that has already been referenced by others; but, decided to stick with my original choices, which came off the top of my head. Loved his Journey series and enjoyed his work at DC; but, the one work I would cite to really demonstrate his writing is Comico's Jonny Quest series. Loebs too the characters from the cartoon, which were already pretty well developed and actually made them deeper. He introduced us to Jonny's late mother and made us care about her, in just a couple of pages, and then gave her a moving death, which did a lot to establish who Jonny is and was done with real sensitivity. If that wasn't enough, he also gave us a story from Bandit's point of view, illustrating what a heroic dog the little pooch is and how much he means to Jonny and Jonny to him. Then, he displayed his flair for comedy with an issue that features everyone playing up to a video camera, that is recording for a time capsule. Even Race turns up in a suit. Finally, he had a story where you see just how brilliant Dr Quest is, as he bluffs his way into freedom after being kidnapped, using nothing more than the spray nozzle for a garden hose and a long reputation of facing and destroying monsters, spies, and robots. Those are damn good comics!
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 22, 2020 12:21:04 GMT -5
#3 Kurt BusiekI see Busiek is rating pretty highly on a lot of lists. I like Marvels well enough; but, I saw something in his work with The Liberty Project, at Eclipse. The series (done with James Fry) features a group of minor super criminals, who are part of an amnesty project, to work for the government. Now, it wasn't original, as John Ostrander was already doing The Suicide Squad. However, this was a unique bunch of characters, who were mostly young, mixing in elements of the Teen Titans and DNAgents. it didn't last long; but, it demonstrated promise. Astro City is where it all came together, for me. Much has already been cited and I would agree with that. My favorite storyline is Tarnished Angel, where a former super-criminal muscle is released from prison and actually tries to go straight. He has lost a lot of life and it explores his path towards his former career, and the forces that keep trying to pull him back in. He also gets recruited to investigate the murders of other petty criminals and uncovers a conspiracy, while he also meets a tarnished superhero. It is a story of redemption, mixed with a parallel story of a fall from grace. All of the characters feel real.
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