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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 16, 2020 11:49:03 GMT -5
Wow! That was kind of negative.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 16, 2020 12:05:26 GMT -5
Wow! That was kind of negative. Ha, hey it happens. Just let it be what it wants to be Slam, that's why we love ya. |
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 16, 2020 12:45:36 GMT -5
Jerry Siegel - I've said before that I really like the first year or so of Superman. But Superman after that point is a total loss. And I've not read any Spectre or Slam Bradley of similar vintage. Sorry... you've never read Slam Bradley? ... ... |
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 16, 2020 12:46:57 GMT -5
10. Peter Milligan
Veto Skreemer: A beautiful plan to cheat history. Knew it wouldn't work, but had to try. Couldn't just lie down even though I was dead.
--"D'ye Think I'm Dead?", Skreemer #5, DC, 1989
Becky McFadden: How come he can impersonate people so good their own family can't spot it... but he can't be a husband and father called Tom McFadden? Can you answer that for me?
--Human Target #2, DC, 1999
Zeitgeist: Note: Remind Doop. This is not an art movie. Ah. The death of Sluk. Probably no great loss. He was only really useful at close range, with his creepy face things. And I might be a mutant, but I kind of like the members of my team to look at least half human.
--"EXit Wounds", X-Force #116, Marvel, 2001
Also recommended: Shade the Changing Man, Enigma, Detective Comics, Batman
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 16, 2020 12:58:41 GMT -5
Jerry Siegel - I've said before that I really like the first year or so of Superman. But Superman after that point is a total loss. And I've not read any Spectre or Slam Bradley of similar vintage. Sorry... you've never read Slam Bradley? ... ... Only his appearances since he re-appeared in the 80s. It's not as if issues of Detective Comics from the 30s and 40s just grow on trees. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 16, 2020 13:06:20 GMT -5
I have kind of a love/hate relationship with Milligan. I really like Skreemer, Shade (though it kind of petered out), and Human Target. I found Enigma to be completely unreadable and his Batman was incredibly dire, on a level (a very low level) with Jim Starlin and Max Allan Collins. I know I've read his run on Hellblazer but I don't remember it at all. So overall he's okay. |
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 16, 2020 13:06:25 GMT -5
If we do this again in a decade, Aaron will surely be on my list. In fact, my list would look vastly different a decade from now. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 16, 2020 13:07:28 GMT -5
Sorry... you've never read Slam Bradley? ... ... Only his appearances since he re-appeared in the 80s. It's not as if issues of Detective Comics from the 30s and 40s just grow on trees. I'm in the same boat, I've loved the character ever since he was reinvented by Brubaker and Cooke back in 2001 which caused me to track down both Detective Comics #500 and #527 but I've never really gone back further than that. I could be wrong, but I don't think Slam's Golden Age adventures are widely collected and accessible. |
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 16, 2020 13:08:27 GMT -5
I have kind of a love/hate relationship with Milligan. I really like Skreemer, Shade (though it kind of petered out), and Human Target. I found Enigma to be completely unreadable and his Batman was incredibly dire, on a level (a very low level) with Jim Starlin and Max Allan Collins. I know I've read his run on Hellblazer but I don't remember it at all. So overall he's okay. I found Enigma unreadable the first pass. I talked it over with some folks who loved it, read it again. It's grown on me over the years. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 16, 2020 13:11:42 GMT -5
Only his appearances since he re-appeared in the 80s. It's not as if issues of Detective Comics from the 30s and 40s just grow on trees. I'm in the same boat, I've loved the character ever since he was reinvented by Brubaker and Cooke back in 2001 which caused me to track down both Detective Comics #500 and #527 but I've never really gone back further than that. I could be wrong, but I don't think Slam's Golden Age adventures are widely collected and accessible. Nope. There are pirate sites where you can find them. And honestly with work that old it doesn't bug me that much because A) the books should be public domain anyway and B) it's not as if DC is ever going to reprint them. But I find the majority of Golden Age comics to be a struggle and there are other things I'd rather read. Oh...and I started using this name three or four years before Bru and Cooke brought Slam back. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 13:24:11 GMT -5
I, too, have found some Golden Age comics to be a struggle. Not all, but some.
I think what makes them inaccessible to me, just a tad, is the redundant dialogue/captions. No specific example comes to mind, but you might get something like a caption (“Detective Smith heads to the precinct to interview the thief about the jewel theft...”) and then a word balloon from him (“I must return to the precinct quickly to find out what the thief knows...”). Or something like that. Gets tiring after a bit.
Not that I want a short read. But I want captions to add something - or set the tone. I’d rather have no word balloon than a redundant one.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 16, 2020 13:30:41 GMT -5
I, too, have found some Golden Age comics to be a struggle. Not all, but some. I think what makes them inaccessible to me, just a tad, is the redundant dialogue/captions. No specific example comes to mind, but you might get something like a caption (“Detective Smith heads to the precinct to interview the thief about the jewel theft...”) and then a word balloon from him (“I must return to the precinct quickly to find out what the thief knows...”). Or something like that. Gets tiring after a bit. Not that I want a short read. But I want captions to add something - or set the tone. I’d rather have no word balloon than a redundant one. The horrendous overwriting is a real problem. And honestly that continued well into the 80s. There's good quality stuff in the Golden Age. The Spirit was great. What I've read of Captain Marvel was a lot of fun. Plastic Man is a hoot. But for every good strip there are a couple dozen that are absolute dreck. Which is pretty true of every era. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 16, 2020 13:45:53 GMT -5
I, too, have found some Golden Age comics to be a struggle. Not all, but some. I think what makes them inaccessible to me, just a tad, is the redundant dialogue/captions. No specific example comes to mind, but you might get something like a caption (“Detective Smith heads to the precinct to interview the thief about the jewel theft...”) and then a word balloon from him (“I must return to the precinct quickly to find out what the thief knows...”). Or something like that. Gets tiring after a bit. Not that I want a short read. But I want captions to add something - or set the tone. I’d rather have no word balloon than a redundant one. The horrendous overwriting is a real problem. And honestly that continued well into the 80s. There's good quality stuff in the Golden Age. The Spirit was great. What I've read of Captain Marvel was a lot of fun. Plastic Man is a hoot. But for every good strip there are a couple dozen that are absolute dreck. Which is pretty true of every era. My feelings on Golden Age books are pretty much the same, that said there are gems there to be found especially in the realm of comic strips. Strips like Hal Foster's Prince Valiant, Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon, and Tarzan featuring not only Foster again but also the likes of Rex Maxon and Russ Manning are amazing comics not only for their historical value but also just for their pure storytelling ability as well which makes them very accessible to modern readers. And the last part is absolutely true, fewer times have wiser words been said than, "90 percent of everything is crud" (Theodore Sturgeon, 1957) so much so that the same has been said down the line of history as even Kipling remarked, "Four-fifths of everybody's work must be bad." way back in 1890. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 16, 2020 13:54:32 GMT -5
The horrendous overwriting is a real problem. And honestly that continued well into the 80s. There's good quality stuff in the Golden Age. The Spirit was great. What I've read of Captain Marvel was a lot of fun. Plastic Man is a hoot. But for every good strip there are a couple dozen that are absolute dreck. Which is pretty true of every era. My feelings on Golden Age books are pretty much the same, that said there are gems there to be found especially in the realm of comic strips. Strips like Hal Foster's Prince Valiant, Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon, and Tarzan featuring not only Foster again but also the likes of Rex Maxon and Russ Manning are amazing comics not only for their historical value but also just for their pure storytelling ability as well which makes them very accessible to modern readers. And the last part is absolutely true, fewer times have wiser words been said than, "90 percent of everything is crud" (Theodore Sturgeon, 1957) so much so that the same has been said down the line of history as even Kipling remarked, "Four-fifths of everybody's work must be bad." way back in 1890. I'd say that comic strips are an entirely different matter. That was truly the Golden Age of adventure strips in the true sense of the phrase. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 16, 2020 14:00:38 GMT -5
My feelings on Golden Age books are pretty much the same, that said there are gems there to be found especially in the realm of comic strips. Strips like Hal Foster's Prince Valiant, Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon, and Tarzan featuring not only Foster again but also the likes of Rex Maxon and Russ Manning are amazing comics not only for their historical value but also just for their pure storytelling ability as well which makes them very accessible to modern readers. And the last part is absolutely true, fewer times have wiser words been said than, "90 percent of everything is crud" (Theodore Sturgeon, 1957) so much so that the same has been said down the line of history as even Kipling remarked, "Four-fifths of everybody's work must be bad." way back in 1890. I'd say that comic strips are an entirely different matter. That was truly the Golden Age of adventure strips in the true sense of the phrase. I used to find it weird that I loved adventure strips from the 30's and 40's but hated almost all full size comics from the same period but looking at it now I think it's the space constraints imposed by the strips themselves that make them read much smoother. When you only have so much space available to you then you have to be much more economical with your words and must then trust the art to convey much more of the story which is much more modern concept when it comes to comic books. Doubly so, I used to think it was weird that those early Superman stories in Action Comics were the exception to the rule until I learned that the reason probably had a lot to do with the fact that those stories actually started their lives out as strips. |
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