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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 5, 2020 12:27:19 GMT -5
I often wonder if I know what things like "love" and "happiness" are, not because I'm necessarily lacking in either, but more because I over-think everything. I've been loved at least four times. I think I sincerely offered my love twice, once to my ex-wife, and once to my current girlfriend. I'm currently in a relationship with a woman who makes my life so much better, makes my kids' lives better, and truly adores me. Maybe it's because I love her so much that I worry I don't love her enough? I'm not even sure what that means. There's no one I want to be with but her, but I don't know that I've ever had that moment where the music swells in my head, she is the very air I breathe and all that exists to me, and life is perfection. She's just my best friend that I trust completely, always want around, and enjoy kissing. I believe that love changes over time. What we feel when we're young, hormone-laden and with our whole life in front of us is different from what we feel when we are more settled, with a few kids and a fairly good idea of what life is supposed to be like for the foreseeable future. It's not a smaller kind of love, but it's, for the sake of an image, deeper rather than hotter. It's an ocean rather than a volcano. My wife was not my best friend when I first fell for her. In fact, I hardly knew her (it was like something out of Elfquest, really). I got to know her better with time (and that took some doing!) but she was still an unknown quantity on several fronts; I just knew that when she was around I turned to jelly and that everything about her filled me with joy. Nowadays, she definitely is my best friend. Her existence still fills me with joy, mind you, and that will likely never change, but now I know her. She's no longer the unattainable star that makes the poet's heart vibrate; she is the very real mortal woman with whom I've built a good life. She's no longer "the other", wonderful and beautiful and with whom I want to be; she truly is my better half. And darn, is she beautiful... far more so than when she was 18, even if she won't admit it!!! As for the original question, and while several women have moved me (as I was a pretty romantic lad way back when), I truly fell in love three times; out of these three times one led to the lady ending up marrying my best friend (no friendship lost there, I'm happy to report; she just ended liking him better), one led nowhere at all and one has been going on for... (counting on his fingers...) 35 years!
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 5, 2020 13:24:12 GMT -5
I often wonder if I know what things like "love" and "happiness" are, not because I'm necessarily lacking in either, but more because I over-think everything. I've been loved at least four times. I think I sincerely offered my love twice, once to my ex-wife, and once to my current girlfriend. I'm currently in a relationship with a woman who makes my life so much better, makes my kids' lives better, and truly adores me. Maybe it's because I love her so much that I worry I don't love her enough? I'm not even sure what that means. There's no one I want to be with but her, but I don't know that I've ever had that moment where the music swells in my head, she is the very air I breathe and all that exists to me, and life is perfection. She's just my best friend that I trust completely, always want around, and enjoy kissing. I believe that love changes over time. What we feel when we're young, hormone-laden and with our whole life in front of us is different from what we feel when we are more settled, with a few kids and a fairly good idea of what life is supposed to be like for the foreseeable future. It's not a smaller kind of love, but it's, for the sake of an image, deeper rather than hotter. It's an ocean rather than a volcano. My wife was not my best friend when I first fell for her. In fact, I hardly knew her (it was like something out of Elfquest, really). I got to know her better with time (and that took some doing!) but she was still an unknown quantity on several fronts; I just knew that when she was around I turned to jelly and that everything about her filled me with joy. Nowadays, she definitely is my best friend. Her existence still fills me with joy, mind you, and that will likely never change, but now I know her. She's no longer the unattainable star that makes the poet's heart vibrate; she is the very real mortal woman with whom I've built a good life. She's no longer "the other", wonderful and beautiful and with whom I want to be; she truly is my better half. And darn, is she beautiful... far more so than when she was 18, even if she won't admit it!!! As for the original question, and while several women have moved me (as I was a pretty romantic lad way back when), I truly fell in love three times; out of these three times one led to the lady ending up marrying my best friend (no friendship lost there, I'm happy to report; she just ended liking him better), one led nowhere at all and one has been going on for... (counting on his fingers...) 35 years! Beautiful answer. I understand that love changes but whenever you have that feeling , it doesn’t matter the age, you can feel like your 18 again. That’s why you hear of older people losing their minds , and sometimes fortunes , chasing a person that makes their heart jump. People will do anything for that feeling.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 5, 2020 13:50:25 GMT -5
I often wonder if I know what things like "love" and "happiness" are, not because I'm necessarily lacking in either, but more because I over-think everything. I've been loved at least four times. I think I sincerely offered my love twice, once to my ex-wife, and once to my current girlfriend. I'm currently in a relationship with a woman who makes my life so much better, makes my kids' lives better, and truly adores me. Maybe it's because I love her so much that I worry I don't love her enough? I'm not even sure what that means. There's no one I want to be with but her, but I don't know that I've ever had that moment where the music swells in my head, she is the very air I breathe and all that exists to me, and life is perfection. She's just my best friend that I trust completely, always want around, and enjoy kissing. I believe that love changes over time. What we feel when we're young, hormone-laden and with our whole life in front of us is different from what we feel when we are more settled, with a few kids and a fairly good idea of what life is supposed to be like for the foreseeable future. It's not a smaller kind of love, but it's, for the sake of an image, deeper rather than hotter. It's an ocean rather than a volcano. My wife was not my best friend when I first fell for her. In fact, I hardly knew her (it was like something out of Elfquest, really). I got to know her better with time (and that took some doing!) but she was still an unknown quantity on several fronts; I just knew that when she was around I turned to jelly and that everything about her filled me with joy. Nowadays, she definitely is my best friend. Her existence still fills me with joy, mind you, and that will likely never change, but now I know her. She's no longer the unattainable star that makes the poet's heart vibrate; she is the very real mortal woman with whom I've built a good life. She's no longer "the other", wonderful and beautiful and with whom I want to be; she truly is my better half. And darn, is she beautiful... far more so than when she was 18, even if she won't admit it!!!As for the original question, and while several women have moved me (as I was a pretty romantic lad way back when), I truly fell in love three times; out of these three times one led to the lady ending up marrying my best friend (no friendship lost there, I'm happy to report; she just ended liking him better), one led nowhere at all and one has been going on for... (counting on his fingers...) 35 years! Not to discount the rest of your post, as I agree with being friends making the romantic part of the relationship even stronger. I talked to my wife online long before we both new that we wanted to be more than friends and I think that is what has kept us through thick and thin for the last 21 years. But my wife does that too, and it's exasperating. I love you. You're beautiful and sexy so stop selling yourself short.
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 5, 2020 15:53:47 GMT -5
I lost a love to esophageal cancer in early 2006. It's like you're in each others veins at some point and I feel something of him is there, but that I was also meant to find my present love, kind of like that Elfquest 'recognition' thing. I had friend-love a few times earlier, one was the reason I wound up in martial arts school. he had three girlfriends while we knew each other and it was never an 'issue'. I don't know why he loved me but I ended up loving him back, but just as nothing you couldn't share friends somehow. And I've loved parents and a cat. Fallen doesn't fit so much as love grows and it can even feel like it's killing you sometimes. Ow! Ow! Sorry Everlys, Gram and Emmy, this is the one I heard first.
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 7, 2020 18:38:45 GMT -5
Three
Two ex-wives and my current girlfriend
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 19:15:54 GMT -5
Zero.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 20:06:56 GMT -5
I was WAITING. . but y'all disappoint me.
fine. . I'll do it:
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 7, 2020 20:47:01 GMT -5
@bert it’s more like she does this but I still love her
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Post by The Captain on Nov 17, 2020 19:34:18 GMT -5
Sorry for the thread necro, but the past six weeks or so have been pretty hectic for me and I haven't been around here as much as I would have liked.
A quick off-the-cuff response would be "twice", although if really pressed on it, I think I have only been in love for real just once. I told a couple of high school girlfriends that I "loved" them, but it is highly unlikely that those were actual true feelings of love and more along the lines of "I really like you and doing stuff with you and making out with you, and since we've been dating for a while, I guess I should say something like this so that you know I'm serious about continuing doing stuff and making out with you."
The first time I thought I was in love was with the girl I dated in college. We got together in January of our freshman year, after she kept stopping by my room just to hang out. Apparently, she lived just a couple of towns over from me and used to come into the place where I worked in HS, but she never got up the nerve to approach me then, so she was going to take the opportunity that presented itself in college. We spent a lot of time together that semester, then continued dating that summer and into the fall, with us both skipping lots of classes our sophomore year (I got my worst grades that fall, and my parents were PISSED) to just hang out. I eventually asked her to marry me and she said yes, but at that point, things just stalled. She never wanted to set a date, she didn't want to discuss plans, and she started relying on me to help with her bills and expenses; everyone around me saw what was happening and tried to intervene, but I ignored them because I "loved" her. We graduated and moved into an apartment together, but then she started becoming distant, going out to bars and clubs with her friends more than spending time with me, but it was OK, because I "loved" her and knew she was just blowing off some steam before we settled down. She cheated on me repeatedly and eventually she moved in with one of the guys, which was the instigating act that drove me to return to college and get my life together after wasting five years.
What I've had time to reflect on in the ensuing two decades is that I really don't think that I "loved" her, but rather, I was looking to her to provide me with a stable relationship that I did not get growing up. My parents were the most toxic couple that I have ever known, and I thought that all I had to do was find that one person, that special someone, and I could do marriage better than my parents and have the life that I had been denied as a youth. Sadly, I hitched my hopes to a person who was manipulative and cruel, a user who lied and stole and cheated because she that was the environment she was raised in (her parents were both horrible people as well, cheating and lying and doing things to harm the other emotionally whenever possible).
Honestly, the only person I have ever been truly fallen in love with is my wife of now 18.5 years. I pretty much knew after the first two months or so that she was "THE ONE", as she was kind and caring and stable and interested in creating the kind of life with me that I had always dreamed of having. We could spend hours just sitting and talking, doing nothing but diving deep into each other's thoughts and desires for the future, discussing plans for our "what if" and our "happily ever after". There was a little rough patch about eight months before we married, all of my making due to me being less than forthcoming about some things, but we worked through it and have been building our life together ever since. She gets me and accepts me, with all of my quirks and flaws and faults, and she doesn't try to change me, but rather adapts to who I am and lets me be me, as I do with her. It hasn't been perfect, but I really can't imagine me having this life with anyone else.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 18, 2020 23:36:22 GMT -5
I think maybe my favorite love song is I Will, recorded by Alison Krauss, written by Paul McCartney... If there aren't any banjos, steel drums and steel guitars in heaven there ought to be.
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Post by brianf on Nov 19, 2020 0:48:58 GMT -5
I think I've been in love 3 times.
My dated my first girlfriend Stephanie when I was 13 - it was just dumb kid stuff. She's the best friend of my youngest sister and I still see her every once in a while. She told me I was a great first boyfriend - that was nice to hear. I thought I was in love, but we would go out frogging and dirtbike riding and other outdoor junk, so I was just figuring things out.
When I was 17 or so I met Andrea - I was living in Alaska and she was from Montana & was visiting her father for the summer. We talked about getting married. When she went back home it sure felt like love - but she never returned any of my letters. She was from a very religious family and even though I was raised christian I had lost my faith at this point, so I assume that had something to do with her non-response. In retrospect it was probably best we didn't get married - I really didn't know who I really was until years later.
I've thought a lot about what is love. I understand passion, and desire and need. But love? My best guess is love is when that person is not around you you miss them. Their absence is a weight on your soul. Love isn't some magical glow you feel when you're sitting on the couch next to your partner - love is when that person is out of town for a week you ache for their company.
I dunno.
All I know is I met my wife Cyndi in 1992 - we went on our first date in 1995. We had a rocky relationship in the sense that we were both young and dumb and hung out in punk rock bars, cable access studios and road trips. We married in 2005, on the tenth anniversary of our first date. While we have our occasional ups and downs we talk about our problems, and honesty is mega important to our relationship. I am still super in love with Cyndi and I feel like the luckiest guy in the world to have her in my life.
I've hesitated posting on this subject because I'm not good enough with words to explain what I feel. farg - this pandemic has been so hard - I've been making my living off of booking live events and running rock clubs for the last 20+ years and right now I can't work. But having Cyndi with me, well, we'll make it work.
So maybe love is also hope?
I dunno.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 19, 2020 6:15:17 GMT -5
I think maybe my favorite love song is I Will, recorded by Alison Krauss, written by Paul McCartney... If there aren't any banjos, steel drums and steel guitars in heaven there ought to be. Steel drums in heaven?! To paraphrase Gary Larson: "Welcome to Hell -- here are your steel drums." 😝
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 19, 2020 9:34:05 GMT -5
I think maybe my favorite love song is I Will, recorded by Alison Krauss, written by Paul McCartney... If there aren't any banjos, steel drums and steel guitars in heaven there ought to be. My wife and I made each other mix tapes and sent them to each other when we were still talking on the internet. I listened to very, very little country back then and had no idea who Allison Krause was but she sent me this song. And it's one of the most beautiful songs about love, to me.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 19, 2020 14:29:36 GMT -5
My wife and I made each other mix tapes and sent them to each other when we were still talking on the internet. I listened to very, very little country back then and had no idea who Allison Krause was but she sent me this song. And it's one of the most beautiful songs about love, to me. That's a great one too, she usually has some top musicians with her as well, like Jerry Douglas on lap steel/dobro guitar. When You Say Nothing At All was one of Keith Whitley's best songs, Don't Close Your Eyes is another of his that really got me.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 19, 2020 15:11:15 GMT -5
My wife and I made each other mix tapes and sent them to each other when we were still talking on the internet. I listened to very, very little country back then and had no idea who Allison Krause was but she sent me this song. And it's one of the most beautiful songs about love, to me. That's a great one too, she usually has some top musicians with her as well, like Jerry Douglas on lap steel/dobro guitar. When You Say Nothing At All was one of Keith Whitley's best songs, Don't Close Your Eyes is another of his that really got me. Not to get too off topic here, but I remember the first time I heard him sing that riding in someone else's car. When I got home I told my wife "there's this dude that did an absolutely awful cover of Allison Krause's When You Say Nothing At All!!" And he just looked at me laughing, "that's his song he wrote, she covered it." I said "I still don't want to hear that again" Lol
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