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Post by Icctrombone on May 28, 2020 7:46:45 GMT -5
Too many dry heaves.
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Post by MDG on May 28, 2020 8:07:48 GMT -5
Anything on the cover of PLOP! Ugh. yep - any Wolverton Plop cover See, I don't find Wolverton ugly in the same sense as some of the other entries here that are purposefully repulsive. Wolverton's characters are exaggerated and grotesque, but it doesn't pain me to look at them. Hell, I could look at them all day. I remember an artist talking about this--Wolverton could signify ugly, but the characters were so well designed, they were still appealing. And after all, ugliness is in the eye of the beholder:
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Post by Icctrombone on May 28, 2020 9:00:21 GMT -5
Leave it to John Byrne to reveal something that was always supposed to be a mystery.
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Post by badwolf on May 28, 2020 9:17:05 GMT -5
I can't even look at the Wolverton stuff. It actually makes me feel ill.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 28, 2020 9:31:10 GMT -5
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Post by hondobrode on May 28, 2020 9:46:11 GMT -5
I like that Byrne showed it, showing that it's a slight mar instead of the horrible disfiguration he would leave you to believe.
That just adds to Doom's pomposity and arrogance.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 28, 2020 9:47:18 GMT -5
I like that Byrne showed it, showing that it's a slight mar instead of the horrible disfiguration he would leave you to believe. That just adds to Doom's pomposity and arrogance. Hondo, check out this article on that scar and Kirby and Byrne's takes on it: captaincomics.ning.com/forum/topics/deck-log-entry-225-dueling-scars
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 28, 2020 9:51:15 GMT -5
Leave it to John Byrne to reveal something that was always supposed to be a mystery. It wasn't that much of a mystery though. As early as FF #10 it was clearly shown that Doom was seriously messed up. Byrne simply retconned it because that's what Byrne does...he has to change everything. Hal beat me too it. But any insistence by Kirby that he meant there to be a small scar was clearly a faulty memory because he did not draw that in any way in FF #10.
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Post by beccabear67 on May 28, 2020 12:48:21 GMT -5
I guess it'd fair game to play with elements like that. It is a wonderful idea that there was a mere single scar. It is/was also wonderful to imagine as the reader what might be under there... such room to speculate is a major plus in good comics. I read a non-fiction book about writing which Stephen King wrote and in it he mentioned Dr. Doom as being "hideously scarred by his twisted pursuit of forbidden science". I really love that turn of phrase! I a way none of these ideas have been contradicted. I can imagine at one time Doom did have just a single scar that overwhelmed him, and that his science lead to something more extreme! Win-win?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 12:58:10 GMT -5
Might be ugly to the rest of the world but he still looks good on a cover...and I'd still go have a Denny's breakfast special with him.
Hey, I grew up looking at Eddy on Iron Maiden album covers so he's kinda cute.
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Post by MDG on May 28, 2020 13:14:04 GMT -5
Leave it to John Byrne to reveal something that was always supposed to be a mystery. It wasn't that much of a mystery though. As early as FF #10 it was clearly shown that Doom was seriously messed up. Byrne simply retconned it because that's what Byrne does...he has to change everything. Hal beat me too it. But any insistence by Kirby that he meant there to be a small scar was clearly a faulty memory because he did not draw that in any way in FF #10. Or, Doom trained (or conditioned) his lackeys to act as if he is hideously scarred. And since Doom doesn't want anyone to see his face, he cuts his own hair and does a lousy job of it.
Now where's my No-Prize?
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Post by tarkintino on May 28, 2020 13:40:05 GMT -5
Nothing appetizing (no pun intended) about the appearances of the characrers.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 28, 2020 13:42:37 GMT -5
I haven't read many old FF comics, but I always got the impression in the comics (and done well in the first FF movie by Doom's actor) that it was Doom's own vanity as to why he wears a mask. So I always assumed it could be anything from hideously scared to a birthmark, because all that made him seem ugly to himself. Which being vain was a travisty.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 28, 2020 14:18:52 GMT -5
I haven't read many old FF comics, but I always got the impression in the comics (and done well in the first FF movie by Doom's actor) that it was Doom's own vanity as to why he wears a mask. So I always assumed it could be anything from hideously scared to a birthmark, because all that made him seem ugly to himself. Which being vain was a travisty. adam, check out this article on that scar and Kirby and Byrne's takes on it: captaincomics.ning.com/forum/topics/deck-log-entry-225-dueling-scars
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Post by badwolf on May 28, 2020 15:47:27 GMT -5
It wasn't that much of a mystery though. As early as FF #10 it was clearly shown that Doom was seriously messed up. Byrne simply retconned it because that's what Byrne does...he has to change everything. He changed nothing. What he did was merge Lee's and Kirby's differing ideas of Doom's face into a coherent origin.
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