Post by The Captain on Mar 30, 2020 9:58:28 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of either, but if I have to pick one, it has to be Batman. Of all of the Batman stories I've read, I like the late Bronze Age, just before Crisis ones the best. The Detective stories from the early Bronze Age, with their supernatural bent, are pretty bad, and I don't dig Silver Age DC in any way, shape, or form (at least not for their main heroes; just too darn silly). Current ones have him at god-level abilities; he's perfect at everything and always five steps ahead of everyone else, so threats like the Council of Owls seem ridiculous, as he would have HAD to have known about them or else he's an idiot.
Superman has never appealed to me at all. He's too OP and attempts to make him vulnerable come off as forced or hokey.
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I like both characters (although neither is my favorite) and I've liked many stories of one and the other. I'll give the slight edge to Batman, just because in my current collection I have more Batman books (either in single comics or tpbs) than Superman books - about 30 of the former and 20 of the latter.
I don't like ether of them but my distaste for Superman is of much longer standing, so I suppose I'd have to choose Batman: I did like the 60s tv show as a small kid and one or two Neal Adams issues I read back in the 70s. And even now, I'm more likely to see a new Batman film than a Superman one.
Superman, most especially the original S&S Superman who treated wifebeaters, corrupt landlords, and war profiteers with all the contempt they deserved.
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Post by chadwilliam on Mar 30, 2020 17:21:08 GMT -5
I'll go with Batman. Though Superman has Jerry Siegel, Joe Shuster, Curt Swan, George Reeves, Christopher Reeve, those fantastic Silver Age tales, that squinty-eyed, Champion of the Oppressed early period, the Fleischer cartoons, and an element of tragedy which added a level of depth you almost never saw from DC's major characters (even Edmond Hamilton and Eliot Maggin's Luthor seemed real); he also didn't have much going for him during the Bronze Age (with occasional masterpieces such as "The Return of Jonathan Kent" and "When you wish upon a Planetoid" aside); turned Lois Lane into every chauvinist's ideal woman (yes, during the same Silver Age period I adore so much); doesn't have as great a Rogue's Gallery as he should (though it's better than he's often given credit for); and he hasn't been seen or heard from since Crisis.
Batman? Despite lousy Bob Kane artwork ruining much of the early 1940's, a rather unimpressive update in 1964 (costume and Infantino artwork aside), whatever David Reed was doing in the 1970's, too much Frank Miller influence, and probably the worst villain in comics since Alan Moore got his hands on him; he's also got Bill Finger, the best Rogues in comics, Dick Sprang, Adam West, Jim Aparo, all the qualities a superhero needs to thrive (He's a Detective-Scientist-Escape Artist-Creature of the Night who's as at home in the shadows as he is fighting aliens in broad daylight where he leaves a bat-shaped shadow even when he's dressed as Bruce Wayne), the coolest hideout and car collection there is, and the greatest villain in comics until A Killing Joke came around. Even after the Crisis he got that wonderful Grant/Breyfogle run and the animated series.
I like Batman in theory and probably enjoy more of his side-characters shenanigans more than I actually do him. Have never really had much interest in Superman except for, again, side-characters like 90's Superboy and Steel (which I'm probably the only person who actually likes Steel). I also feel like both of their respective knock-offs have done better with the overall formula and execution of the characters than the originators. I do however like what Superman represents on a fundamental level more than I do Batman, truth, justice, and the American way and all that. Hell it's half the reason why I love Captain America so much...
I guess Batman maybe? IDK
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Great to see so much Bat love still around in spite of the BatGod BS which has ruined the character. Give me the human and fallible guy who has friends and family grounding him realistically so that when he fails he overcomes the failure to achieve something better and there is a difference to being prepared for many eventualities and having a plan for taking out your partners and friends. Bruce Wayne is damaged emotional goods, not psychotic mental patient who has become as horrible as the villains he combats.
And Batflunkie, you can rest assured there are other lovers of Steel. I bought all of his series in the day and adore John Henry Irons even if DC has somewhat misused and seems to forget his importance these days.
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Post by beccabear67 on Mar 31, 2020 13:33:12 GMT -5
A really good Batman '70s story with the detective aspect included is hard to top. The '40s oldies had some really imaginative grotesque and bleak city qualities to more than rival Dick Tracy too (which the best of the '70s harkened back to). The Joe Shuster drawn Superman is pretty cool but there wasn't the rogue's gallery, and the more background lore they added often the more bogged down things would get. I think maybe Superman was a more aspirational heroic character you might want people to emulate versus a more personal motive driven Batman... but I'd have to go with Batman even over the very first superhero who helped pave the path for the others.