|
Post by profh0011 on Jan 17, 2020 14:17:29 GMT -5
STEVE DITKO... ...or JACK KIRBY... ...hmmm?
|
|
|
Post by MDG on Jan 17, 2020 14:34:34 GMT -5
STEVE DITKO... ...or JACK KIRBY... ...hmmm?
|
|
|
Post by Batflunkie on Jan 17, 2020 14:42:00 GMT -5
Kirby is probably more dynamic than Ditko but that goes without saying. In his later years, especially with OMAC, he became more abstract and jagged with his artwork
|
|
|
Post by kirby101 on Jan 17, 2020 14:43:19 GMT -5
This thread has shown me there is still so much to learn about Jack Kirby. My decision to subscribe to the Jack Kirby Collector was a wise one. I would highly recommend Mark Evanier's Kirby, King of Comics book, which you can probably find at a discount. Hands of Fire is an academic look at how Kirby's style changed and grew through the years.
|
|
|
Post by Mister Spaceman on Jan 17, 2020 15:41:41 GMT -5
Yes, I believe that is the spirit of this thread: do you prefer apples or oranges?
|
|
|
Post by rberman on Jan 17, 2020 15:48:41 GMT -5
The word "dynamic" always gets used for Kirby, with good reason. That alone would be enough for me to choose him. But there's so much more to like. His astonishing speed. His dizzying plots. The breadth of vision that Fourth World could be not just disposable pulp but a bookshelf volume of interconnected stories to sit on the shelf beside Tolkien or Vonnegut.
|
|
|
Post by kirby101 on Jan 17, 2020 16:05:03 GMT -5
|
|
Confessor
CCF Mod Squad
Not Bucky O'Hare!
Posts: 9,417
Member is Online
|
Post by Confessor on Jan 17, 2020 16:31:26 GMT -5
NOBODY does more awkward or stilted or un-natural dialogue than Roy Thomas. " CONAN" is the only thing he worked on I can stand at all on that score. Everyone's a critic. I realise that it's all a matter of taste, but I think Roy Thomas' dialogue is fine, and definitely find it much, much more readable than Kirby's DC stuff (from what I've read of it). Thomas can be verbose, for sure, but I think that's more a stylistic trait of Silver and Bronze Age Marvel's writing style, rather than anything directly attributable to Roy himself (everyone was still following Stan Lee's template, essentially). Personally, I've always found that there's a rather wonderful poetic flourish to much of Thomas' writing -- particularly in his narration boxes -- which naturally suited such fantasy series as Conan or Star Wars, but which also worked well in other titles, such as Doctor Strange, Tarzan, and Amazing Spider-Man. I also really love the scripting he did in the 2000s for the Marvel Illustrated line.
|
|
|
Post by MDG on Jan 17, 2020 16:48:48 GMT -5
Neither was terribly gifted at dialogue I don't think, the contents of balloons and captions often come across as stilted when they have been the writer NOBODY does more awkward or stilted or un-natural dialogue than Roy Thomas. I don't mind his dialogue except in things like All-Star Squadron when he felt he had to shoehorn in some random fact about the 40s he discovered. That was definitely stilted and un-natural.
|
|
|
Post by brutalis on Jan 17, 2020 16:56:55 GMT -5
Yes, I believe that is the spirit of this thread: do you prefer apples or oranges? Exactly the intention. This is about the time of being there and enjoying both options. No matter what you prefer, both were there as choices which depended on your location, time you were collecting "new" and the availability of the distribution system. Even though there wasn't a strong Charlton distribution in Arizona, I still managed to find some Ditko Charlton comics and his occasional DC or Marvel work or any Ditko in Warren magazines. Kirby was always around, whether in reprints from Marvel or his move to DC or upon his short return to Marvel or with DC in his final years. Makes for interesting discussion don't you think? Prefer the depths of our talks here rather than the usual simple diatribe of I hate/like such and such or putting down a writer/artist.
|
|
|
Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 17, 2020 17:04:51 GMT -5
NOBODY does more awkward or stilted or un-natural dialogue than Roy Thomas. I don't mind his dialogue except in things like All-Star Squadron when he felt he had to shoehorn in some random fact about the 40s he discovered. That was definitely stilted and un-natural. I was literally just going to write this exact same thing. I tried a re-read of A-S.S a couple years back and it was painful to read. So much exposition on back-stories for characters and minutiae of events in the 40s.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 18:42:30 GMT -5
It's been an interesting discussion so far ... apples and oranges
And, enjoying it.
|
|
|
Post by Batflunkie on Jan 17, 2020 18:46:35 GMT -5
I don't mind his dialogue except in things like All-Star Squadron when he felt he had to shoehorn in some random fact about the 40s he discovered. That was definitely stilted and un-natural. I was literally just going to write this exact same thing. I tried a re-read of A-S.S a couple years back and it was painful to read. So much exposition on back-stories for characters and minutiae of events in the 40s. I thought he was just fine in Invaders and I've liked All-Star Squadron from what little I've read
|
|
|
Post by junkmonkey on Jan 17, 2020 18:53:18 GMT -5
I like bananas too.
I have all but one of the first of the original New Gods in their 1971/2 printing (and most of the other 4th World stuff too). I much prefer the colouring in them to the - to my mind over bright almost garish - recolouring that was done for the 6 issue reprint. (Which I can't find but I have around somewhere just for that first issue). I also have a 1999 black and white reprint of the Forever People which is a lot easier on the eye - and easier to swipe stuff from. One of these days I'll find a cheap enough, battered copy of New Gods #1 and glue to all the others.
Seriously - if anyone has a really low grade copy, or comes across one, I'm interested. Doesn't matter if the cover's loose or someone's drawn in it - as long as the actual pages of story art haven't been messed with - I'm wanting one.
|
|
|
Post by kirby101 on Jan 17, 2020 19:23:24 GMT -5
|
|