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Post by shaxper on Oct 28, 2014 15:09:00 GMT -5
"Horror Comics Then...and Now!" discusses the similarities and differences between EC and Vertigo. Pretty pointless in stating the obvious, with no clear focus on trying to make EC fans read Vertigo or Vertigo fans read EC. This feature feels utterly out of place in a magazine otherwise targeted to young readers of the most common denominator superhero fare. NOTE: this was the sole contribution of Lawrence Watt-Evans to Wizard, yet he got staff credits at the beginning of the issue. I'm kinda intrigued by this article. Vertigo didn't exist as an imprint until 1993, but even in 1991, there was a certainly a sense of "Berger Books" as something distinct from the rest of DC. (Even though Wonder Woman would have been one of the books under her watch.) Does this article imply that there was some kind of separation or imprinting already in the works, or are you just referring to those books as "Vertigo" because they would eventually form the backbone of the imprint a few years later? You are correct that "Vertigo" did not exist in name at the time. That was my own convenience in applying the label retroactively to the focus of his article, which is a more amorphous commentary that what's working about the DC mature horror titles is that the creators are given near complete freedom to experiment. He gives particular focus to Swamp Thing, Sandman, and Hellblazer. He does not mention Berger.
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Post by fanboystranger on Oct 28, 2014 16:13:51 GMT -5
I'm kinda intrigued by this article. Vertigo didn't exist as an imprint until 1993, but even in 1991, there was a certainly a sense of "Berger Books" as something distinct from the rest of DC. (Even though Wonder Woman would have been one of the books under her watch.) Does this article imply that there was some kind of separation or imprinting already in the works, or are you just referring to those books as "Vertigo" because they would eventually form the backbone of the imprint a few years later? You are correct that "Vertigo" did not exist in name at the time. That was my own convenience in applying the label retroactively to the focus of his article, which is a more amorphous commentary that what's working about the DC mature horror titles is that the creators are given near complete freedom to experiment. He gives particular focus to Swamp Thing, Sandman, and Hellblazer. He does not mention Berger. Oh, okay. I just found it interesting. Odd that he wouldn't specifically mention Karen Berger as she was the common link that all three books had, espcially after the Rick Veitch incident effectively ended any crossover between the three.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 28, 2014 16:37:29 GMT -5
You are correct that "Vertigo" did not exist in name at the time. That was my own convenience in applying the label retroactively to the focus of his article, which is a more amorphous commentary that what's working about the DC mature horror titles is that the creators are given near complete freedom to experiment. He gives particular focus to Swamp Thing, Sandman, and Hellblazer. He does not mention Berger. Oh, okay. I just found it interesting. Odd that he wouldn't specifically mention Karen Berger as she was the common link that all three books had, espcially after the Rick Veitch incident effectively ended any crossover between the three. Well I think that a common phenomena for Wizard in these early days is that the staff writers have no particular expertise in their fields nor in journalism in general. They're not professionals by any stretch of the imagination, and no expectation appears to be placed on them to do their homework. They write from the hip, so to speak. CCF users could easily throw together a more informed magazine than Wizard on any day of the week.
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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 28, 2014 17:56:06 GMT -5
CCF users could easily throw together a more informed magazine than Wizard on any day of the week. [Mickey Rooney & Judy Garland] Hey, kids, let's put out a magazine! [/Mickey Rooney & Judy Garland]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 22:55:10 GMT -5
CCF users could easily throw together a more informed magazine than Wizard on any day of the week. [Mickey Rooney & Judy Garland] Hey, kids, let's put out a magazine! [/Mickey Rooney & Judy Garland] Get Off my Four-Color Lawn!: A Curmudgeon's Guide to Classic Comics coming soon to print on demand form Lulu, Amazon and other online outlets.... -M
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Post by shaxper on Nov 5, 2014 15:16:51 GMT -5
By the way, according to Todd McFarlane, the founding partners formed image in December of 1991, which does align with when McFarlane and Liefield flew Shamus out to California. McFarlane also goes on to explain that Image was actually an imprint of Malibu of sorts. Malibu was the one publishing their original books, thus explaining the solicitation. So the question I then have is why no one, not even Shamus, is talking about Image at this point?
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Post by shaxper on Nov 5, 2014 21:51:06 GMT -5
Wizard # 8 (April 1992) Issue #6 marked a big shake-up in format, as the book suddenly came full color, glossy, and with better coloring and page arrangements. This issue, it's the content that has changed. Patrick Daniel O'Neill, formerly the guy who did pretty much all the featured content, has been promoted to Editor, and a whole slew of new folk have taken over for him on the lead features. It's led to a lot more diversity of content, from an interview with little known writer Sarah Byam about feminism and Black Canary, to an interview with Jack Larson about The Adventures of Superman TV show from the 1950s. Additionally, this marks the issue where Wizard officially becomes aware of Image Comics. Though it only gets mentioned once in an interview with Whilce Portacio (just before he decided to sign on to Image), Shamus mentions that issue #10 will feature a Liefeld cover and a collectible Youngblood #0 trading card. Still, I'm mystified by this. Shamus knew Image's big debut was coming three months ago, yet is only now making plans to start making a big deal about it two months down the line? Perhaps he was waiting to see what fan reaction to Youngblood #1 (just released) would be before making his move. Interestingly enough, the writer(s) of Market Watch still weren't clued in to what was happening, as they still talk up Youngblood as being from Malibu Comics with no mention of Image nor of the other titles and creators involved. For what it's worth, here's what's said about Image in the Portacio interview (it isn't much): What are your plans with Image Press? There's Rob Liefeld's Youngblood; Todd McFarlane's Spawn; Jim Lee's Wild Cats. What about you? Note, by the way, the awkwardness of asking that question as Jim Lee was right there, in the same room, penciling at the time of the interview. This helps to explain why Portacio's answer isn't much of an answer. Also worth noting is that Valiant is about to release Unity #0. So here it is: the issue where the two big Independent publishers of the '90s were on the verge of hitting it big time. Hindsight glimpses into the comic industry: Even with a Marvel cover, the attention has moved away from Marvel at this point in favor of a more diverse exploration of all things comic-related, from Jack Larson, to feminism and Black Canary, to the upcoming Alien 3 film. Was this because the hot artists had all left Marvel, because Marvel had overplayed its hyped events, because O'Neill, now in the position of editor, wanted to diversify the magazine's scope, or because Marvel wasn't taking out ads in Wizard anymore? Industry news:Image is getting warmed up, and Valiant is about to hit it big with Unity. Market Watch also indicates that the back issues of Harbinger and X-O Manowar are starting to become scarce and expensive. Wizard shaping the comic book market? Not so much. I'm very surprised how slow they are to react to the rise of Image, and they're still giving Valiant plenty of attention, but with Unity about to launch, THIS should be the issue where they're conducting interviews and focusing on what the company had planned next. I just don't get it. Conversely, as this was the first issue of Wizard I ever owned (it's fun seeing all the puzzles filled in by 12 year old me), I'm reminded that my primary reason for purchasing it every four months (at $2.95 an issue, I was only buying every other issue) was to get an up-to-date price guide. I remember many others thinking along the same lines, and Wizard has emphasized its price guide numerous times as well (even though we now know the prices were waaaay off the mark in many cases). This leaves me wondering to what extent a monthly price guide existed because prices were changing so erratically, and to what extent having a widely read monthly price guide encouraged prices to change so erratically. Wizard Comic Watch:Strange Tales #178: Adam Warlock feature begins, 1st: Magus Classic X-Men #39: 2nd Jim Lee on X-Men Wizard Top 10:1. Uncanny X-Men #201 2. New Mutants #87 3. Uncanny X-Men #248 4. Uncanny X-Men #266 5. X-Factor #24 6. Uncanny X-Men #268 7. Uncanny X-Men #282 8. Uncanny X-Men #281 9. Ghost Rider (1990) #1 10. Darkhawk #1 Final thoughts:The book looks and feels far more professional at this point, but beyond the monthly price guide, I'm still at a loss as to what the focus of this publication was, and with Publisher Gareb Shamus toting all that's hyped and cool while newly promoted editor Patrick Daniel O'Neill champions the cause of avoiding the hype in favor of intelligent writing, I'm not even sure what demographic this magazine is attempting to appeal to. I still don't understand how Wizard got the financial backing and industry connections to get started the way they did, I still have no idea why anyone put trust in this completely inexperienced staff, and sixteen months later, I still have no idea what the appeal or purpose of this magazine even is. Eight issues of intense examination, thorough online research, and extensive reviews, and I understand the phenomenon that was Wizard Magazine even less than when I started.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 5, 2014 23:08:35 GMT -5
Also, that's a horrendous cover.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 5, 2014 23:36:07 GMT -5
Also, that's a horrendous cover. Better than the next two, sadly.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 6, 2014 2:29:45 GMT -5
I lovef Wizard in the 90's, even though I should have known better. Just wished they would ditch the price guide and have more "cool" articles.
I always checked the HOT writers and artists lists, and drooled over the hot books, alternating between wishing I had them and scratching my head over who would.
I even airbrushed a cover for my eldest sons birthday one year. It was Wolverine leaping on Hulk by Leinil Yu, probably about 2 minutes after he started in the industry.
We need to remember the almost complete lack of internet back then, my only alternative was Comic Shop Weekly for news, and wizard was just so shiny...
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Post by shaxper on Nov 6, 2014 7:58:58 GMT -5
my only alternative was Comic Shop Weekly for news, and wizard was just so shiny... I think that's a perfect epitaph for the publication And, while Patrick Daniel O'Neill and Tom Palmer were writing to a more mature audience, the bulk of the magazine appeared to be targeted at younger adolescents...not the crowd that was reading The Comics Journal nor Amazing Heroes.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 6, 2014 9:05:49 GMT -5
I've been debating about how far to take this review thread. I have up to issue #22 and was considering going as far as #25, but it also has occurred to me that it might be interesting to go further and attempt to chart the decline of the Speculator Bubble in the mid 1990s. Then again, Wizard has proven to be a disappointing source of market information thus far, largely offering content that isn't really in tune with the current events of the industry, so that might prove futile.
Opinions?
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Post by mrc1214 on Nov 6, 2014 9:47:36 GMT -5
I've been debating about how far to take this review thread. I have up to issue #22 and was considering going as far as #25, but it also has occurred to me that it might be interesting to go further and attempt to chart the decline of the Speculator Bubble in the mid 1990s. Then again, Wizard has proven to be a disappointing source of market information thus far, largely offering content that isn't really in tune with the current events of the industry, so that might prove futile. Opinions? Why put yourself through the pain of having to go through Wizard magazines? Lol I'd like to see all the "Hot" issues of the 90s.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 6, 2014 9:51:11 GMT -5
Why put yourself through the pain of having to go through Wizard magazines? Oh, I actually enjoy doing it, and it's less intensive than reviewing a densely plotted series. I probably should list those with each issue. Good suggestion!
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 6, 2014 16:38:03 GMT -5
That would be of interest, a list of their "hot" books through the years. What has stood the test of time? Artists too.
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