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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 29, 2019 15:30:57 GMT -5
May 5th, 1940.
The same page has the two images found by beccabear67 and batsywatsy.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 29, 2019 19:29:45 GMT -5
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 29, 2019 20:37:52 GMT -5
Thank you guys so much for tracking this down!
My next step is going to be to try and locate the rest of the Sunday Funnies running that day to see if any of the other sketches I have match up with that same day.
I'll have another image or two posted some time this week. The others aren't as large or well executed as this one, suggesting to me that this one might have been one of her later efforts. Many of the others are also just head shots, though not all.
One of those head shots appears to be Lois Lane! So I'm curious when she drew it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 8:44:38 GMT -5
Thank you guys so much for tracking this down! My next step is going to be to try and locate the rest of the Sunday Funnies running that day to see if any of the other sketches I have match up with that same day. I'll have another image or two posted some time this week. The others aren't as large or well executed as this one, suggesting to me that this one might have been one of her later efforts. Many of the others are also just head shots, though not all. One of those head shots appears to be Lois Lane! So I'm curious when she drew it. Where's the Lois Lane picture?
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 17, 2020 13:11:00 GMT -5
I always meant to get back to this, but it's just a bit of a hassle to take all the photos and edit them and upload and... whatever.
I find it a lot easier to do videos, so here's a new video I just did where I go through the whole notebook, so you can see all the sketches. If you have any idea of the source of some of these other comics, let me know!
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Post by MDG on Sept 17, 2020 13:45:34 GMT -5
...If you have any idea of the source of some of these other comics, let me know! There's probably one or more classic comic strip groups on facebook whose members might be able to ID some of them
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 14:33:11 GMT -5
The Robin Hood style maiden is Princess Aura circa 1935... more info here-M
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 17, 2020 14:44:51 GMT -5
The Robin Hood style maiden is Princess Aura circa 1935... more info here-M Hmm. Good find! This does raise the question of when and how my grandmother would have seen this. In 1935, she would have only been 8, so I think it's unlikely she drew her version when it came out. That could call into question the date when she drew the other Flash Gordon image as well - if she had both of these i some kind of collection, it might have been later than I originally thought. Not much, though — given the other images she drew I don't think she was doing this any later than 1942. That's also when she said she stopped doing the paper dolls included in this scrapbook. I believe she also went off to boarding school in the fall of 1940 when she started 9th grade, which I think is a another natural cutoff point. But I am wondering if maybe she had a collection in a Flash Gordon book, like a Big Little Book or something that may have had some of these panels.
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 17, 2020 15:58:35 GMT -5
My Aunt has informed me that my grandmother specifically mentioned being a fan of the Katzenjammer Kids. I don't recognize any of these as being that style, though the middle picture at the 7:32 mark could conceivably be from something like that.
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 17, 2020 16:31:24 GMT -5
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 17, 2020 16:37:04 GMT -5
"April" is a character, April Kane, from Terry & The Pirates starting around 1939... shown here in panel one... A 1942 Whitman book...
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 17, 2020 18:54:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the information, Beccabear! I appreciate it!
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 17, 2020 21:44:26 GMT -5
The Robin Hood style maiden is Princess Aura circa 1935... more info here-M Hmm. Good find! This does raise the question of when and how my grandmother would have seen this. In 1935, she would have only been 8, so I think it's unlikely she drew her version when it came out. That could call into question the date when she drew the other Flash Gordon image as well - if she had both of these i some kind of collection, it might have been later than I originally thought. Not much, though — given the other images she drew I don't think she was doing this any later than 1942. That's also when she said she stopped doing the paper dolls included in this scrapbook. I believe she also went off to boarding school in the fall of 1940 when she started 9th grade, which I think is a another natural cutoff point. But I am wondering if maybe she had a collection in a Flash Gordon book, like a Big Little Book or something that may have had some of these panels. Flash Gordon was reprinted in several forms; but, a thought occurs. Might there have been an older family member (sibling, parent, relation) who might have saved the strips? A lot of kids did and some adults, especially the big adventure strips, like Tarzan, Flash Gordon, and Prince Valiant.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 17, 2020 22:19:57 GMT -5
On the page you show with the Raymond copy; Etta Kett was a lesser humor strip, by Paul Robinson. It started out as a way to discuss etiquette and manners; but Robinson moved beyond that into a family strip, pretty early on. The hulking guy in the cap looks like something you would see in Terry & the Pirates. The three women above Dale Arden are likely from comic strips; but I can't really identify them. Diana Palmer springs to mind; but, neither of the two brunettes look much like Ray Moore's drawings. The middle one reminds me of a movie star (Veronica Lake?); could have been a character in a strip based on a movie star. The one on the lower left, next to the unidentified comic strip character (below Dale) looks like something from an advertising illustration of fashion illustration. No idea about Bob Dolton. The center strip character is reminiscent of several styles; but I can't narrow it down. A lot of strips copied the look of popular ones. The dots for eyes was used by Harold Gray, in Little Orphan Annie; but, a lot of artists did that. Katzenjammer Kids isn't likely, as Dirks' style was different and the later artists followed that look. Problem with comic strips is that there were many that were distributed regionally, but not as far nationally. If you knew what paper your grandmother's family read, that could help narrow it down, as paper's tended to get their strips from one syndicate (though not always). That, in turn would give you something to follow up on, with the strips produced in that era, by that syndicate. King Features, which was Hearst, was the biggest, though the Tribune Syndicate was pretty big, as were McClure and a few others.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 22:32:54 GMT -5
Repeating here what I posted on your comments section, another thought I had was that the research librarians at the Billy Ireland Museum of Cartoon Art at Ohio State might be able to help you identify some of those strip characters and/or nail down what panels are being copied. They are very responsive to e-mails (or were before Covid shutdowns, I am not sure what their staffing levels are currently). They are however in the middle of prepping the online/virtual version of the Cartoon Crossroads Columbus Festival that takes place in the autumn but has to be a virtual festival this year, so they might have to defer questions until after that.
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