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Post by shaxper on Nov 11, 2020 10:02:29 GMT -5
Len Wein may have said "cripple the bitch", but I think Shaxper just said "Batman is Canadian", and I don't know which is more offensive...
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Post by shaxper on Mar 21, 2021 13:49:52 GMT -5
Batman #475 (March 1992) "The Return of Scarface - Part One: Mustache Pete is Dead!" Script: Alan Grant Pencils: Norm Breyfogle Inks: Norm Breyfogle Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: Todd Klein Grade: A- I was a little surprised to see the return of Scarface--let alone a multi-part crossover devoted to Scarface--during this era. While Grant and Breyfogle have now been working for the Bat Office for four years by this point, they've seldom had free creative reign. In the early days, O'Neil didn't seem to pay much attention to what Grant, Wagner, and Breyfogle were doing over in Detective Comics, instead giving most of his attention to the core Batman title, as well as exciting ancillary projects. Then Marv Wolfman left, and Grant and Breyfogle became O'Neil's go-to team on the core Batman title, and everything since, from developing Tim Drake (NOT the guy they wanted to be the next Robin) to juggling crossover tie-ins (War of the Gods) and other creative teams being brought in to tell high profile story arcs in their place (Dixon and Lyle doing a follow up to the Robin limited series), they've had precious few opportunities to tell the stories they've been wanting to tell, so getting the green light to bring back a character introduced in a two-parter from four years earlier that we can almost be certain O'Neil never actually read, is unexpected. Granted, I myself selected Scarface and Ventriloquist as The best Batman villains introduced in the Post-Crisis Era, so it's great to see their return. Grant and Breyfogle pick up on the pair's return without missing a beat. Scarface's previous appearances in Detective Comics #583 and #584 may have happened four years earlier (when many of the current audience reading Batman hadn't yet caught the 1989 Batman bug), but Breyfogle remembers exactly what Scarface's club looked like, his #1 lacky (Rhino) is still present (and surprisingly endearing this time around), and "Fever" is now still the most common drug plaguing Gotham, even though it hadn't been mentioned in the four years since that previous storyline. Perhaps, most significantly, it's only been a year since that previous storyline according to Scarface, himself. At this point in The Superman Office, one month in our world is roughly equal to a week in Superman's world. That same internal chronometry appears to be at work here. In fact, we can see Grant and Breyfogle's efforts to be a little more like the Superman Office all over the place in this issue. More time is actually spent on developing the world of Gotham City and mining its dense continuity in this issue than on telling the A plot, which is a signature move of the Mike Carlin Superman Office. We've got the return of a villain not seen in multiple years, the ever-present recurring threat of the Street Demonz, the first appearance of supporting character Renee Montoya: who is actually surprisingly bad-a$$ in her first moments on the page: (Note: this first appearance is currently driving Batman #475 to upwards of $20 in the midst of this new comic book speculator boom) and we have attention and characterization being given to Harvey Bullock for really the first time in the Post-Crisis Era: (Bullock got a small amount of characterization waaaay back in Batman #400, but it's debatable whether that issue counts as being part of the Post-Crisis Era). In fact, the introduction of Horton Spence in this issue--and his subsequent working/romantic relationship with Vicki Vale--feels very Daily Planet: Of course, one advantage the Superman Office has over the Batman Office is an editor who actually cares about continuity and making all the pieces fit neatly. Denny O'Neil is a salesman first and outright admits in some circumstances that he isn't all that involved with these stories. So, for example, this remarkably well adjusted and happy-go-lucky Vicki Vale: doesn't jibe very well with the Vicki Vale that was becoming emotionally and mentally unhinged as recently as Batman #460 (written and drawn by Grant and Breyfogle...oops). Still, I respect the effort to make Batman's supporting cast more authentic and alive. Grant and Breyfogle have certainly tried at this before, but they seem to be making an effort to more explicitly follow the Superman Office model here. And of course, long before The Superman Office was doing it, Doug Moench did it right here in these pages during the Pre-Crisis, but you'd have to backtrack quite a way in these reviews to see that! Finally, I feel repetitive pointing it out as often as I do, but Norm Breyfogle is a GOD. Check out this sequence in which Batman stumbles upon Horton Spence and Vicki Vale: Serious WOW. As for the A plot of this issue, it's so very good to have Scarface, The Ventriloquist, and Rhino back. The characterizations simply do not get old (even Scarface's need to replace every B with a G, which should become obnoxious over time, but doesn't). Probably my favorite part of their story was this moment, where Breyfogle ALMOST has The Street Demonz and the reader believing Scarface truly is alive: Of course, that's later upended as this story's powerful message about addiction, and the junkie's need to escape reality at all costs, ends up subtly corresponding to The Ventriloquist's own struggle to free himself of Scarface. Really powerful stuff. Important Details:- 1st appearance of Renee Montoya - 1st appearance of Horton Spence. He and Vicki Vale become romantically involved. - One month in our world is roughly equivalent to one week in Batman's world Minor Details:- If Detective Comics #584 was only a year ago, then the death of Jason Todd was significantly more recent than that, and yet Batman seems to have pretty much moved on from it already and happily replaced him. This made sense over the course of several years, but not several months.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Mar 21, 2021 17:38:39 GMT -5
While Grant and Breyfogle have now been working for the Bat Office for over half a decade by this point, they've seldom had free creative reign. Grant and Breyfogle had been working on Batman for under five years at this point. Breyfogle started with Batman Annual #11 (July 1987) and I think Grant started with the issue of Detective Comics that introduced the Ventriloquist. Perhaps, most significantly, it's only been a year since that previous storyline according to Scarface, himself. At this point in The Superman Office, one week in our world is roughly equal to a month in Superman's world. If we applied that here, Scarface and The Ventriloquist should have been in jail for a little over a year and a half. I'd think a guy impatiently waiting to get out of jail would count UP the amount of time he served instead of down. Isn't a month of our time usually equivalent to a week of Superman's time? I think applying that here would mean the Ventriloquist had been in jail for slightly less than a year.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 21, 2021 22:29:47 GMT -5
While Grant and Breyfogle have now been working for the Bat Office for over half a decade by this point, they've seldom had free creative reign. Grant and Breyfogle had been working on Batman for under five years at this point. Breyfogle started with Batman Annual #11 (July 1987) and I think Grant started with the issue of Detective Comics that introduced the Ventriloquist. Oh wow. I wrote this on an hour's sleep. Apparently, I cannot do basic math under those circumstances. Thank you. Absolutely, I meant the reverse of what I said. So... 12 months x 4 years = 48 months 48 months / 4.5 weeks = 10.6 months. You are absolutely right.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 31, 2021 12:07:14 GMT -5
Detective Comics #642 (March 1992) "The Return of Scarface, Part 2: Gleeding Hearts" Script: Alan Grant Pencils: Jim Aparo Inks: Jim Aparo Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: Jim Aparo Grade: B+ I'm assuming the title of this installment is intended to be a very dark joke about Vicki Vale and Horton Spence (who have recently fallen in love) getting shot up by Scarface and nearly killed at the close of this issue. Ouch, Grant. Whereas Scarface and The Ventriloquist were (perhaps) once adorable, Grant, Breyfogle, and Aparo are all working overtime to make us take these characters more seriously now. Breyfogle toyed with visually making us believe that Scarface was a living entity all his own for a few brief panels last issue, and Aparo continues that work here: We know he's not, but for brief moments, he becomes as real and as terrifying as he is to The Ventriloquist (who doesn't understand that he's the one in control). What subsequently happens to Vicki Vale and Horton Spence only further cements the idea that this is no longer in any way a cute/fun colorful rogues gallery duo; these two are deadly. I have to say that it's fascinating watching Aparo work with Grant this time around, as the style feels very consciously lifted from Breyfogle: Perhaps some of the trademark visuals we've been seeing from Breyfogle in the Bat Office all this time have been suggested by Grant, or perhaps Aparo just decided it would be fun to ape his style for this inter-title three-parter that he shares with Breyfogle. Anyway, it's generally quite impressive, but there are a few moments where Aparo falters. For example, I genuinely have no idea what is happening in the second panel here: There's clearly a look between Scarface and that random guy who could just as easily be Rhino (Scarface's #2 man), a random soldier, or an unmasked Batman, and Scarface looks terrified, but nothing comes of this exchange. Did Grant change the script at the last moment or something? By the way, since when does Aparo do lettering?? As for Grant's contributions, his purpose in telling this story seems to be three-fold: 1. Bring back Scarface 2. Make Scarface scarier 3. Play up the Bruce Wayne/Vicki Vale relationship This last part is particularly interesting to me, as Vicki Vale hadn't been a particularly important character in the Post-Crisis Batman's world until the 1989 film made her the prime love interest, and Batman Returns is almost certainly in post-production by this point (and it does not include Vicki Vale in it). So why make Bruce's relationship with her so important now? Perhaps O'Neil asked Grant to irrevocably end the relationship in time for the release of Batman Returns? Or maybe Grant just felt like telling this story and (for once) O'Neil isn't pushing Grant to closely align the comic with what's happening in the films. Anyway, I find Grant's ideas about the Street Demonz gang to be...lazy. Traditionally, when there is a new gang or gangster making a stir in Gotham, the writers find some plausible way of explaining what they are doing to be more successful than the rest. Grant's solution is that the Demonz reinforce each of their safe-houses with steel plates. It almost makes sense for a second: ...except that it doesn't. A safehouse is only useful if it maintains its anonymity. You're telling me news wouldn't spread fast about contractors being brought in to install all that steel? Even if the Demonz did it themselves, it's hard not to draw attention bringing all that steel into a random rundown building, and anyone writing a Batman worth his salt would have him be acutely aware that someone in the underground is ordering a massive amount of steel plates too. It's a really flimsy way to explain how this gang has remained so untouchable. Oh, and the idea that Scarface can pay a military MP to drive a tank through Gotham and execute a rival gang with it seems utterly preposterous to me. Not a consistently strong issue, but I respect much of what it did, what with Scarface becoming a far more formidable villain, our feeling something for Bruce as he watches his relationship with Vicki die, and Aparo's art taking a wild stylistic leap towards Breyfogle's domain. Not a perfect issue, but it did enough to keep me wanting more. Important Details:- Vicki Vale is nearly killed by Scarface. Bruce decides to reveal his identity to her. Minor Details:- Scott Peterson (not the Mouse Guard guy) replaces Kelley Puckett as assistant editor and will stay with the Bat Office for a long while to come. - Peterson hints that there is discussion about the possibility of an ongoing Robin title. Of course, we'll end up getting Robin III: Cry of the Huntress first. - O'Neil's "From the Den" is actually relevant to Batman and comic books for two whole sentences, hinting that there is a fourth upcoming Batman title that isn't the Batman: Gotham Nights limited series. This will end up being Batman: Shadow of the Bat, which is still three months away.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Mar 31, 2021 13:39:23 GMT -5
By the way, since when does Aparo do lettering?? Aparo had a multitude of lettering credits from the 60s onwards, usually on comics he inked as well as pencilled.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 31, 2021 15:07:48 GMT -5
By the way, since when does Aparo do lettering?? Aparo had a multitude of lettering credits from the 60s onwards, usually on comics he inked as well as pencilled. Yeah, since forever. As far as I know, Aparo almost always did the lettering in most of the comics he drew throughout the 1970s and early 1980s.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 31, 2021 15:25:52 GMT -5
Aparo had a multitude of lettering credits from the 60s onwards, usually on comics he inked as well as pencilled. Yeah, since forever. As far as I know, Aparo almost always did the lettering in most of the comics he drew throughout the 1970s and early 1980s. Interesting, then, that this is his first time doing it for this office, unless I've missed something.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 1, 2021 22:16:07 GMT -5
Gotham Nights #1 (March 1992) Chapter One: Giants Script: John Ostrander Pencils: Mary Mitchell Inks: Bruce Patterson Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: John Costanza Grade: A+ As the target demographic for Denny O'Neil's Bat Office back in the early '90s (adolescent with a lot of spare change who was easily dazzled by hype), I distinctly recall buying this issue. I'd given up on the regular Batman titles months earlier, but this was a BRAND NEW #1 issue! The "Four Issue Miniseries" part was printed in such small letters at the top left. I never read it, and I never went back for #2, but I guess I helped fund this little experiment. Of course, what's inside is surprisingly sophisticated and mature for the O'Neil Bat Office. A story about average people living their lives in Gotham, only periodically interrupted by the presence of Batman. No kid was going to find this exciting, even in spite of Mary Mitchell's simply staggering artwork, impressively inked by Bruce Patterson: Who are these two, and where do I find more of their work? so I truly respect O'Neil's taking a chance on a project like this. It feels like Will Eisner writing Batman, telling the stories of very real people only loosely connected by common location, but all shaped by the city they live in. We get sucked into these narratives, and that makes the late intrusion of Batman all the more jarring: Perhaps, for the first time, I truly understand what it would be like to live in a city patrolled by Batman. This is Busiek's Marvels a few years early, only no one is enamored by the presence of Batman. Instead, Ostrander helps us see how Batman would seem indicative of a plague infecting Gotham to the average citizen on the street; a sign of just how bad things had gotten. No one wants to see this guy taking out a thug in the middle of their morning commute. Ironically, while this first part is called "Giants" because each of our protagonists exaggerates their own importance in one way or another, the presence of Batman diminishes each of them in contrast, temporarily extinguishing their egos by proximity. How do you go on with your normal life and your everyday fantasies when a Batman can swoop down at any time and bring the world to a terrifying halt? The stories themselves are varied and sometimes poignant, though there are times when I question Ostrander's judgment. He seems to be having fun at the expense of the overweight, middle-aged woman at the donut counter, living in a fantasy in which a handsome customer is falling in love with her: and he maybe takes the topic of AIDS, and especially AIDS in the gay community, a little too lightly: but he is trying to serve us an ambitious dose of reality in what is usually a vehicle for contrived fantasy. This moment certainly didn't feel like it belonged to your standard comic book: I think each of these characters' stories will be progressing throughout the remaining three issues, and I admit I'm very curious to see how that's going to work. Some of them have a predictable story arc ahead of them (the girl who dates dangerous men and misses the best one sitting right next to her on the train, the ex con who is restless and feels he is cursed to return to crime), while others don't seem to have all that much of a story to tell (again the lovesick donut shop employee, the elderly man who is dying and afraid to leave his wife on her own). Ostrander is setting some very ambitious expectations for himself, and I'm curious to see if he can deliver on them. But wow, what an impressive undertaking. Minor Detail:- Ostrander spends quite a bit of time lending characterization to Gotham itself and explaining how much of it extends from Gotham's architecture. He even goes so far as to claim Frank Lloyd Wright once visited Gotham and commented on its architecture. Yet no reference is made to the man who designed that architecture, heavily featured in last month's Destroyer storyline running across all three Batman titles. Once again, O'Neil misses a golden opportunity to actually do some editing.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 1, 2021 22:39:02 GMT -5
Spent a little time on the GCD, and here is what appears to be the full list of comics penciled by Mary Mitchell. I can find no further information on her. There are several artists by the name of Mary Mitchell on the web, but none have work that seems to stylistically resemble what is depicted in Gotham Nights #1.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 2, 2021 0:16:33 GMT -5
Whoops! I missed reviewing this one for February of 1992... Batman Versus Predator #2 (February 1992) Script: Dave Gibbons Pencils: Andy Kubert Inks: Adam Kubert Colors: Sherilyn Van Valkenburgh Letters: Adam Kubert Grade: B+ It's a bit like working in the dark trying to review this crossover without ever having seen a Predator film (I know, I know. It's inexcusable), but my guess is that the unique twist this story adds to the Predator mythos is an exploration of what a Predator's actions might have on the sordid political landscape of a corrupt city. So many writers have enjoyed using Batman to tell gangland stories over the years, and this one brings a highly unique twist when the big shake-up bringing the crime families to their knees is an armored alien on safari. And yet, it's a pretty simplistic story beyond that. Folks die, Batman gets trounced: and then Batman comes back, tougher than ever: There really isn't much to this. And I have to wonder why Gordon spends all his time pleading for a clearly severely injured Batman to return: instead of trying to get word to Superman, or the Justice League. Heck, I'd like to see a Superman vs. Predator fight far more than a Batman vs. Predator fight, but I guess Batman was the hotter property in 1992. And, actually, wasn't Doomsday just a more powerful version of The Predator? He was just looking to fight Earth's greatest champion, and he kind of physically resembled The Predator too. Interesting. A few minor logic lapses aside (Alfred uses slang/contractions, Gordon is the one person to survive a point-blank encounter with the Predator because it somehow wildly misses), my only real gripe with this story continues to be Andy Kubert's pencils which, while impressive at times, are also highly confusing and difficult to follow once the action gets moving. A few examples in which I had to read the page multiple times to understand what I was looking at: Beautiful, but it demands so much work from the reader to follow what is transpiring. Doesn't this guy teach pencilling at The Kubert School? All in all, though, I found this second installment more gripping than the first. Not much depth to it, but it's engaging nonetheless, and Kubert's pencils are dazzling when they aren't disorienting.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 2, 2021 0:42:27 GMT -5
I never saw Predator until a few weeks ago. My friend Mark started making fun of me because of all the 1980s movies I’ve never seen. The Karate Kid. Dirty Dancing. Flashdance. (But is Three Amigos really must-see? It got pretty ridiculous.)
I mentioned it to my mom and she started bagging on me because I’d never seen Predator. It’s one of her favorite movies.
I figured it was time.
It’s pretty good but honestly? ... I don’t feel like I was missing anything I haven’t seen a bunch of times.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 2, 2021 4:33:54 GMT -5
I never saw Predator until a few weeks ago. My friend Mark started making fun of me because of all the 1980s movies I’ve never seen. The Karate Kid. Dirty Dancing. Flashdance. (But is Three Amigos really must-see? It got pretty ridiculous.) I mentioned it to my mom and she started bagging on me because I’d never seen Predator. It’s one of her favorite movies. I figured it was time. It’s pretty good but honestly? ... I don’t feel like I was missing anything I haven’t seen a bunch of times.Yeah, but Predator, together with Commando I'd say, kind of set the template for so many of those films you saw a bunch of times. Plus, it's got an all-star cast: Arnie, Carl Weathers, Jesse Ventura, Shane Black, Sonny Landham... Also, I find that it, like a number of other Arnie action films from the 1980s/1990s, is a cut above most other action films. There's something about them that I find really enjoyable and that makes them highly re-watchable, which usually isn't the case for most other mindless, ridiculously violent action flicks (and I'm not alone in that assessment; there's a podcast dedicated specifically to the Governator's cinematic oeuvre).
Otherwise, though, we're kind of in the same boat as far as not seeing many of those 'must-see' 1980s movies: I've also never sat all the way through Dirty Dancing or Flashdance (I think I watched the first ten minutes of it once on TV), and I've never watched ET, either. As for Three Amigos - I watched that in its first cinematic run and never understood why so many people apparently like it so much. I found it mostly unfunny and kind of dull (there's only two parts in the whole thing I found amusing, both little throwaway bits by Chevy Chase's character).
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Post by shaxper on Apr 2, 2021 5:29:57 GMT -5
I most frequently see Predator compared to Aliens, and I adore Aliens, but I worry the resemblance only extends as far as tough-people-with-big-guns-fight-alien, when that isn't what i adore about Aliens at all. It's the writing, the pacing, the characterizations, and the sets mostly for me.
Dirty Dancing is flipping incredible. I'm not much of a romance guy, but go see that film.
I've been meaning to watch the Three Amigos, as I think that comedy trio would have to be brilliant together, but maybe it's the potential more than the delivery that causes the hype. Martin Short is so damn funny, but he was incapable of carrying a film by himself, so having Martin and Chase by his side seems like a perfect solution.
Somehow this has something to do with Batman, I swear...
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Post by chaykinstevens on Apr 2, 2021 7:08:38 GMT -5
Interesting, then, that this is his first time doing it for this office, unless I've missed something. That's corect. It had been about four and a half years since Aparo had done his own inking and lettering.
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