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Post by shaxper on Oct 29, 2020 15:30:35 GMT -5
Oh divine providence - I was hoping to myself that Shaxper had maybe graced us with an update, and lo and behold I find a fresh post barely a day old! Your analyses are definitely among my favourite in all of internet nerddom. Thanks for your kind words, my friend. I actually intended to do three in one day, but, ya know, life. There is a strong chance I'll have the other two up by sunday, possibly sooner.
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 29, 2020 20:54:30 GMT -5
Batman #319 Did we really need to see the return of the Gentleman Ghost only nine issues after his last appearance? NO.
This was one villain I NEVER liked, and it just seems like for the longest time, kept coming back, over and over, in different series, and it always seemed like with the same story schtick. IS he using some kind of inexplicable gimmick-- OR, is it possible that, HE'S A REAL GHOST?
If he's using some gimmick, NONE of the writers or stories ever explained it. If he's an actual ghost... to me... he has NO BUSINESS being in a BATMAN story!
I've been recently watching the 1st season of BATMAN: THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD tv cartoon series, which my best friend gave me the DVD box set of. And The Gentleman Ghost turns up quite a few times in there. Now, to me, nearly EVERY episode of this show, Batman is completely out of place, and even more so than the 1968-70 Ralph Bakshi-Lin Carter-Gray Morrow SPIDER-MAN cartoons, is constantly fighting bad guys totally outside and above his "weight class", so to speak. In the cartoons, Batman is ALWAYS on his game, ALWAYS smarter, tougher and more capable than ALL the other heroes (even in one instance, the entire Green Lantern Corp, on their own home planet). Multiple times, planet-hopping science-fiction, time travel and supernatural magic is involved (sometimes more than one of those at once). And in the case of The Gentleman Ghost, in the cartoons, there's NO question-- HE'S A REAL GHOST, and in one of the episodes, Batman goes back in time and faces the guy BEFORE he gets killed and BECOMES The Ghost. Sheesh.
It would all bother me... if the show wasn't SO DAMNED MUCH FUN to watch. No kidding, it's way better than the team-up book it takes its name and format from!
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Post by shaxper on Oct 30, 2020 7:39:20 GMT -5
Batman #315 Dredging up these ridiculous villains from the past is getting very tiresome. I don't think it ever once occured to me that Paul Levitz had anything to do with this at all. Oh yes. He did the exact same thing to Batman Family.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 31, 2020 17:30:29 GMT -5
Detective Comics #641 (February 1992) "The Destroyer, Part 3: A Dream Is Forever" Script: Alan Grant Pencils: Jim Aparo Inks: Mike DeCarlo Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: John Costanza Grade: D The culmination of this unnecessary three part storyline is no more impressive than the previous two installments. Batman is still somehow hopelessly outclassed by a former navy SEAL, and only blind luck manages to win the day for Batman because, instead of bluffing that he'd destroy a historically important building at dawn to lure in The Destroyer, Batman actually decided to go through with it for some reason, and the wrecking ball happened to hit in exactly the right place at exactly the right time. Utter crap. Denny O'Neil got what he wanted, though. Because Batman was so useless in stopping one guy from blowing up a ton of buildings in Gotham, the place now looks exactly like it does in the Tim Burton films: because, ya know, the old buildings were just standing there the entire time, right behind the buildings we'd been seeing in these comics for over fifty years now without their ever having been used before. No gangs or even homeless people were using them, Batman never chased a criminal into one. And somehow they're all still in perfectly working order, and every business and organization that had its building blown up will just move into the building right behind it without a hitch. Certainly neither Wayne Enterprises nor the Gotham City Police Headquarters lost any important files in those explosions that would have a devastating impact upon their daily operations. And my personal favorite moment of stupidity in this issue is when The Destroyer is admiring his demolition of Police Headquarters WHILE the entire GCPD is right there, outside, looking at the same wreck and wondering who did it. I cannot stand stories that conveniently make the new villain such an overwhelming threat worse than anything that has come before through stupidity and convenience. The guy can work with explosives and fight like a Navy SEAL. The GCPD should have been able to bring him down in the first issue without Batman's help. Interesting that Alan Grant pens both the first and third part of this story, with Denny O'Neil pitching in to write the middle section. I've wondered all along if Peter Milligan's stint on Detective Comics was as a fill-in or a regular, and now it seems he's gone. He has one more story coming up in two issues (perhaps it was originally intended to be this issue before "Destroyer" was planned), but it's otherwise one more issue of Alan Grant and then Chuck Dixon and Tom Lyle taking over. Much as I have not been a fan of Dixon and Lyle's work thus far, maybe we'll start to see a little more direction/focus for this title as a result. I enjoyed Milligan's stories, but each felt like a fill-in, existing completely apart from everything that came before, and immediately forgotten by all that came after. Minor Details:In an office in which no one seems to be watching continuity all that closely, it's pretty cool to see a minor detail resurface after two and a half years, namely Alfred being able to mimic Bruce's voice on the phone in order to create alibis for Batman, first introduced (and last mentioned) in Batman Annual #13.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 31, 2020 17:40:03 GMT -5
Well, I'm not going to get to it this weekend, but coming up next (probably on Monday), is an issue I've been looking forward to finally reading and reviewing, as I didn't even know it existed until it came up in a Mike's Amazing World Newsstand search a while back: I chased down a copy and am very curious to see what Len Wein, Curt Swan, and Murphy Anderson bring to a store giveaway designed to promote literacy in Canada.
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Post by Duragizer on Oct 31, 2020 18:14:13 GMT -5
Denny O'Neil got what he wanted, though. Because Batman was so useless in stopping one guy blow up a ton of buildings in Gotham, the place now looks exactly like it does in the Tim Burton films: because, ya know, the old buildings were just standing there the entire time, right behind the buildings we'd been seeing in these comics for over fifty years now without their ever having been used before. No gangs or even homeless people were using them, Batman never chased a criminal into one. And somehow they're all still in perfectly working order, and every business and organization that had its building blown up will just move into the building right behind it without a hitch. Certainly neither Wayne Enterprises nor the Gotham City Police Headquarters lost any important files in those explosions that would have a devastating impact upon their daily operations. They needed an in-universe rationale to bring the Gotham of the comics in-line with the Burton films. Artistic license simply wasn't good enough.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 1, 2020 14:26:42 GMT -5
Batman: A Word To the Wise (Summer 1992) "A Word To the Wise" Script: Len Wein Pencils: Curt Swan Inks: Murphy Anderson Colors: Adrienne Roy Letters: Albert DeGuzman Grade: C+ Apparently, if you lived in Canada in the 1980s, Zellers was a name as common as Wal Mart or Target is in the United States today. This was a special promotional book, commissioned to coincide with the release of Batman Returns, that was available only in the school supplies section of Zellers during their Back to School sale. Kids had to buy a pack of 50 sheets of Zellars branded lined school paper and then pay 29 cents extra to get the promotional book. Supposedly, this is still a very common book to find in Canada today, and there was even a French version published for Roquefort Raider and his fellow French Canadians. The book/initiative was paid for both by Zellers and by "ABC Canada, the foundation to promote literacy in Canada," and the goals of both sponsors is readily apparent throughout the story: 1. Promote literacy as tactlessly and incessantly as possible: 2. Make money for Zellers: It goes without saying that the creative team wasn't going to bring their A game to a project like this. There are several significant plot holes and logic lapses in the book that make it feel like it was written in one draft. Furthermore, while Len Wein's work on Batman at the beginning of this decade was often dark and psychological, and while he went on to edit my favorite stretch of Batman stories ever in which Gerry Conway and Doug Moench did much to develop Batman's complex psyche, persona, and relationship with others, what Wein turns in here is just plain hokey: Batman constantly cracks corny jokes, perhaps the worst being when he informs The Joker that "your card's just been cancelled" while The Joker is trying to rob a library. But, in terms of so-bad-it's-good, I positively love how the librarian stands up to Joker in this scene: Next month, in "Ms. LaSalle, French Canadian Librarian," Ms. LaSalle sternly reminds two teens of the Technology User Agreement they signed when she finds them looking up porn in the computer lab. Oh, and there's also some very forced praise of Canada wedged into the plot with a proverbial crowbar: Interestingly enough, this appeal to Canadian pride may have actually backfired. While Legends of the Dark Knight #27 strongly implied that Gotham City is located in or near Connecticut, Canadians certainly had the freedom to assume Gotham City was located somewhere in Canada. While Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, Jim Starlin's Ten Nights of the Beast and Sam Hamm's Blind Justice all indicated either that Batman worked primarily in the United States and/or that Bruce Wayne was an American Citizen, I've argued extensively that none of those storylines necessarily exist in Post-Crisis continuity. Theoretically, no one reading Batman in 1992 had any reason to believe Batman wasn't Canadian until this storyline clearly established that Batman does not come to Canada often and doesn't know it very well. But enough ripping on this story. The fact is, it does do one thing very right. Wein may be writing an oddly throwback version of Batman, the likes of which we haven't seen since the 1960s, but he definitely gets The Joker right. Back while Wein was still editing the Batman books, he and Doug Moench established that The Joker could have killed Batman a dozen times over and yet purposefully chose not to. It added complexity and depth to their relationship. Wein returns to that idea here, after Batman has, for some reason barged into the library after The Joker without a plan of any kind (I told you it was a problematic story) and is then utterly stymied by The Joker pulling a gun on him. It's a deeper moment than it needed to be. Also, this page was actually funny: But Wein does create one significant blunder in his depiction of The Joker in this story: Batman later gets his hand on this document and reads it carefully. ...meaning Batman knows who The Joker's ancestors are. ...meaning Batman knows The Joker's identity. And we're just going to gloss over this?? Like I said, an exceptionally clumsy story, but it's both fun to laugh at and a very decent depiction of The Joker, and we haven't had one of those since the Mike W. Barr run five years earlier. Starlin certainly didn't get The Joker right in A Death in the Family, and don't get me started again on Chuck Dixon's depiction in Robin II: The Joker's Wild. Minor Details:- I include this issue here in my reviews because that's where Mike's Amazing World places it, but I suspect that was done because the book was released in 1992 and had no other date information on the cover, thus leaving Mike's Amazing World to date it as January 1992, but this was released to coincide with Zellers Back to School sale, so it likely would have been released in August. Batman Returns was released in June of 1992, and this book was certainly designed to coincide with the merchandising onslaught that followed the film's release. - To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time we see a television screen on the Batmobile dashboard. A minor and (perhaps) unimportant detail, except that we just saw nearly the same layout in Batman Returns, and that screen ended up playing a pivotal role in the film's climax: All in all, I liked this one. The aspects of this story that were bad were so bad they were good, and I appreciated finally getting a good depiction of The Joker again, even if Curt Swan can't seem to draw The Joker to save his own life:
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Post by Duragizer on Nov 1, 2020 16:09:21 GMT -5
I owned a copy of this comic. What a way to be introduced to Curt Swan.
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Post by chadwilliam on Nov 1, 2020 21:27:08 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, this appeal to Canadian pride may have actually backfired. While Legends of the Dark Knight #27 strongly implied that Gotham City is located in or near Connecticut, Canadians certainly had the freedom to assume Gotham City was located somewhere in Canada. While Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, Jim Starlin's Ten Nights of the Beast and Sam Hamm's Blind Justice all indicated either that Batman worked primarily in the United States and/or that Bruce Wayne was an American Citizen, I've argued extensively that none of those storylines necessarily exist in Post-Crisis continuity. Theoretically, no one reading Batman in 1992 had any reason to believe Batman wasn't Canadian until this storyline clearly established that Batman does not come to Canada often and doesn't know it very well. As a Canadian reader who would have liked to have believed otherwise, it seemed pretty clear that there was no way Batman was operating out of Canada. - Member of The Justice League of America - Gotham doesn't really feel Canadian. Hopefully no one will take offense, but I can see Gotham acting as a stand-in for, say, New York which had a reputation for being unfriendly and crime ridden, but I don't really feel it fitting comfortably into a map of Canada. To put it another way, Year One had Gordon moving to Gotham from Chicago after cleaning up police corruption over there (and presumably, making a dent in other forms of crime) and moving on to a greater challenge in Gotham. I just can't see Gordon saying "Cleaning up the cease pool of Chicago was one thing, but even that didn't prepare me for the soulless, vile, scum operating out of the sewers here in... Canada". Not that we don't have violent crime here (as a Winnipegger I get to boast that I live in the murder capital of Canada) but, I don't know, 'Tough cop from Chicago goes to Canada to clean up crime over there' sounds like an 80's comedy film and not Batman: Year One. - Crime aside, Gotham feels like it has greater history than a city located in a country founded in 1867 would have. Didn't Dark Knight/Cark City establish that it had roots to Thomas Jefferson? - If Batman were Canadian, the comics would play that up. Of course, you're not saying he is - only that it's plausible - but with Wolverine's Canadianisms ('bub', probably said 'eh') being used as comics subtle reminder that 'Hey, we have a Canadian character here!' a character who isn't stereotypically something probably isn't that thing. - Some post-Crisis stories/moments which make it clear Batman is American: Death in the Family with Batman's CIA pal, Ralph Bundy advising him to follow The President's orders. Batman 432 - Batman vs. the CIA Detective 601 has a police officer make a remark that if he were to try to catch up to Batman while he's speeding off in his Batmobile, he'd be in Canada by that time. Detective 614 closes with Batman standing in front of a US flag positioned atop a Gotham building. Had that been a Canadian flag, I'm sure a lot of readers would have done a double take. Any number of Jim Starlin stories where he tries to inject politics into things. "Federal agents" (Canada has The RCMP), "State laws" (Canada has provinces), references to real world events involving "our government" ie. Iran-Contra in Death in the Family, but I'm sure there are others.
I'd love it if Batman were Canadian, but I'm afraid it wasn't to be...
And I'm thrilled you reviewed this issue. I got it when it came out and am hoping to share my thoughts when I re-read it. Lots of good memories of it, though.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 1, 2020 21:32:00 GMT -5
I just can't see Gordon saying "Cleaning up the cease pool of Chicago was one thing, but even that didn't prepare me for the soulless, vile, scum operating out of the sewers here in... Canada" I surrender. You win!
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Post by chadwilliam on Nov 2, 2020 22:35:09 GMT -5
Batman: A Word To the Wise (Summer 1992) "A Word To the Wise" Zellers was a big name Canadian store along with other such companies as K-Mart and Woolco which Americans may or may not have been familiar with. Actually, a lot of Canadians today wouldn't be all that familiar with them either given the fact that they no longer exist, but man, do I remember this comic of which I had multiple copies of and read every one of them despite the fact that they were all identical. I love that this is unashamedly a comic book. Curt Swan proving that he could still produce a full-page comic of high quality material despite what the Supertitles wanted you to believe and on a character he isn't readily identified with to boot. Admittedly, I don't like Carmine Infantino's cover despite the fact that he was still doing some nice work on the Batman newspaper strip (though I think it might only have been printed in Comic Shop News at this point). He is hand's down, my favorite cover artist, but, yeah, this just isn't doing it for me. As noted, The Joker is well presented here and perhaps what I love most about this issue - four years after the degradation he underwent in A Killing Joke and Death in the Family ensured that the character would likely never again return to the level which once seemed assured in the mainstream titles, here he is written as his classic self highlighted by some clever moments. I like his acknowledgement that 'fake fists up his sleeve' tricks are beneath him, but since he's a performer playing to an audience who always reacts positively (or negatively) to it, he has to keep it in his repertoire like Sinatra having to belt out 'My Way' for the thousandth time. The little "it really would make sense for me to just shoot you since you're going to follow me the moment I leave, but since I look forward to our little skirmishes, I'll just gas you instead" bit was a nice acknowledgement of comic book conventions without really mocking them. I can't help but wonder if Wein wrote something fun like this to counter the misanthropic torture porn soul at the heart of Killing Joke/Death in the Family or if I'm just reading too much into it. Whether I am or not, I think you can see why I would suspect that there's something of a "The Joker doesn't have to sexually assault and cripple Batgirl or bludgeon a child to a pulp to be threatening and I'll prove it" vibe present. A female librarian in a wheelchair confronting The Joker? Surely, Barbara Gordon must have crossed Wein's mind when he came up with this. Children going to another country to chase after The Joker? Isn't this what Jason Todd did? Even The Joker's brainy crony bears more than a passing resemblance to Dr. Moon who teamed up with the villain to torture Catwoman. It almost feels as if Wein included these elements to evoke a "uh oh, I wonder where he's going with this" feel from anyone buying the mainstream titles just so he could say "I just had The Joker pull out that camera and reach for that librarian's blouse because he wanted to brush some crumbs off it before he took a picture of the fine Zellers outfit she was wearing. What do you think I was going to have him do?" Yeah, seeing The Batmobile parked at Zellers and Batman fawning over the mountains of Canada is a bit much, but what can I say? I'm a sucker for fun comics.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 2, 2020 23:46:49 GMT -5
I love that this is unashamedly a comic book. Curt Swan proving that he could still produce a full-page comic of high quality material despite what the Supertitles wanted you to believe and on a character he isn't readily identified with to boot. Honestly, I was underwhelmed by Swan's work here. I much preferred the work he did for "Curt Swan Month," where he was finally given full creative chores on a far more significant project over at the Superman Office: I struggle more with his work here. Yes, he's acutely aware of the performance and prioritizes it over all else, much as he did back when Wein was editing the Bat books. Coincidence? Alan Moore claims Wein was the one who said, "Cripple the bitch," of course, but that never jibed well with what I know of the guy, so who is to say? Going along those lines, it's hard not to think of Babs Gordon when we see that wheelchair-bound librarian standing up (pardon the phrasing) to The Joker.
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Post by chadwilliam on Nov 3, 2020 0:37:57 GMT -5
Alan Moore claims Wein was the one who said, "Cripple the bitch," of course, but that never jibed well with what I know of the guy, so who is to say? Wow, ok then, I guess I read that wrong. I had heard the "cripple the bitch" comment before and while I dislike a lot of Moore's writing, he strikes me as a very decent, honest individual. I hadn't realized (or had forgotten) that the comment came from Wein though. Perhaps I'm taking things a little too off course here (I mean, this is a Zellers tie-in comic book, after all) but I did find this quote from Wein confirming Moore's claim: "I have always regretted making that comment. I was a good deal younger at the time, and it was meant ironically. And, no, the decision was not made lightly. When Alan suggested it, I fold him I’df have to discuss it with then-publisher Jenette Kahn and get back to him. We had a lengthy discussion, decided it was something that had newer been done before to a major character, and agreed to lest Alan go ahead. I called him back, made the now-regrettable comment, and we want ahead. I still think crippling Barbara was a good idea. I thought she was a much more interesting character as Oracle than she ever was as Batgirl." observationdeck.kinja.com/midweek-trivia-1773399048Not sure what "meant ironically" means. I had heard that permission had to be granted before Moore could paralyze Barbara Gordon given how potentially valuable the character may have been to the company and that getting this permission was like pulling teeth. I can certainly envision a situation where Wein was responding to a seemingly never-ending chain of events with Moore calling his liaison at DC (presumably Wein) if he could paralyze Gordon, Wein would ask his boss, Wein's boss would say "I haven't decided, call back later", Wein would relay that message to Moore, Moore would call Wein back later, Wein would again ask his boss, his boss would say "Still no decision, call back later", Wein would go back to Moore, Moore would call back, Wein would... etc, etc, etc. and getting more and more frustrated by the constant back and forth he was having to do as an intermediary between Moore and his boss until finally, DC says "you have our permission" and Wein responding with "FINALLY!! AN ACTUAL ANSWER!!" and "cripple the bitch!" coming out as a sort of over-the-top way of expressing "What a pain in the ass this character's been to me running from office to office to office for the past several weeks" in a non-serious way. Not that I would ever want to make excuses for misogynistic behaviour, but at the same time, I like to think the best of people where I can.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 3, 2020 6:29:42 GMT -5
Not that I would ever want to make excuses for misogynistic behaviour, but at the same time, I like to think the best of people where I can. I never realized Wein had acknowledged the comment. Thanks much for looking into this! I think it's safe to say that everyone says something they immediately realize they should not have said at some point in the course of a long career. Fortunately, in most lines of work, no one gets interviewed about it. If this is the only negative thing we have to say about Wein after a decades-long career working with countless people at two major companies--that he was grossly insensitive to a fictional character--it's appropriate to wince and wish he'd spoken differently, but at a certain point we also have to acknowledge that all humans are grossly insensitive idiots if you catch them at the wrong moment.
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Post by Tom Corsi on Nov 11, 2020 9:41:35 GMT -5
Len Wein may have said "cripple the bitch", but I think Shaxper just said "Batman is Canadian", and I don't know which is more offensive...
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