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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 28, 2019 18:28:39 GMT -5
Seeing Ultimo Dragon with all those belts was always a sight to behold! My experience of Japanese wrestling was initially via tape trading (does that even still exist now?). In the mid-90s, the only promotions I could watch on TV were WWF and WCW. USWA came to me via a very limited range of tapes. For ECW and Japanese and Mexican wrestling, I had to tape trade. Of course, one only had a limited budget for that. Ultimo Dragon is another high flyer that I liked; tape trading rarely held anyone interest back then and I did not know anything until I reached in my mid-20's and that when my career at Boeing took off and did not engage in this at all. I watched about 3-4 ECW tapes, 1-2 WCW tapes, and 1 WOW tape. A grand total of 6-7 tapes and that's it. Regarding the Dragon ... I only saw him on WCW in the 80's. I think you mean the 90s; he started working for them in 1997. I got to see him live, when WCW put on their first live event, in Springfield, IL. He took on Billy Kidman and did his handstand on the top corner turnbuckle spot.... This was when WCW was hot and a clip of it made the local news, on tv and in the paper. Every camera in the place took a shot of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 18:51:22 GMT -5
If the Hogan/Genius match was the one released on the Hulkamania Forever tape, then I have seen that one. And concur!
Razor and Shawn had a post-WM X match. Must have been non-title, I guess, because Shawn pinned Razor. I think. Hope I didn't imagine that one. There was also a good Razor/Marty Jannetty VS Diesel/Shawn match which ended conclusively. I like that.
Shawn Michaels VS Triple H at Taboo Tuesday 2004 (I hope I have the right event) was a good, solid match despite Michaels' physical limitations. It had good psychology.
And then there's the Stunning Steve Austin/Barry Windham match on WCW Worldwide (1992) where Austin regained the Television Championship. I watched that match about three times.
So many to choose from.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 18:57:43 GMT -5
codystarbuck ... I was thinking about that and 1997 is correct and that's was one of few bright spots for WCW that came to fruition and I truly enjoyed watching him on cable television back then. A cameraman's delight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 19:06:40 GMT -5
And then there's the Stunning Steve Austin/Barry Windham match on WCW Worldwide (1992) where Austin regained the Television Championship. I watched that match about three times. So many to choose from. That's match was good and it was ... brutal at the end. It happen on June 13th 1992.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 19:09:58 GMT -5
In addition to the action in that match, I appreciated the emotion. I cared. I was rooting for Barry Windham. I was angry towards Steve Austin.
When a wrestling match elicits emotion, that's good. I didn't care about so many matches towards the end of WCW's tenure. There have been psychology-less matches in promotions that left me disappointed. 99%, if not 100%, of the stuff Vince Russo booked in WCW elicited no emotion. I did not care. I did not care about Russo winning the WCW World Championship. It was incongruous crap.
But I certainly cared about that Windham/Austin match.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 28, 2019 20:41:55 GMT -5
Man, Windham in 1984 could have been a big deal, for the WWF. He was just amazing to watch. he was lanky, but had filled out a bit and could just move like a dancer, in the ring. He was as tall, if not taller than Hogan, could outwork him, was better looking, and could work heel or babyface (though had been almost exclusively face, by that point). however, he never stuck around the WWF long; just didn't seem to fit. Should have been NWA champion, even briefly, when it still meant something, not the later gig he got, to drop the belt to a returning Flair.
Here's Barry, with Mike Rotunda, against Chavo & Hector Guerrero (Eddie's older brothers) in Florida, form 1984.........
Dusty had originally intended Barry to be inthe magnum TA position, for crockett, to be pushed to the moon against Flair and defeat him. However, Barry was always his own person and went to New York and Magnum was brought in from Mid-South. The rest is history, though Magnum's accident ended the program before he could become the champion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 22:18:18 GMT -5
Superbrawl 2
The event took place on February 29, 1992 from the Milwaukee Theatre at the MECCA in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I was one of 5,000 attended this event. I'm in this video clip at the 2:14 mark look for a guy wearing a checkered black and white shirt. In the middle of the screen.
I was in Milwaukee from the 27th to 2nd of March vacation from Boeing seeing my College Buddies and the 4 of us attended this event.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 22:26:21 GMT -5
In addition to the action in that match, I appreciated the emotion. I cared. I was rooting for Barry Windham. I was angry towards Steve Austin. When a wrestling match elicits emotion, that's good. I didn't care about so many matches towards the end of WCW's tenure. There have been psychology-less matches in promotions that left me disappointed. 99%, if not 100%, of the stuff Vince Russo booked in WCW elicited no emotion. I did not care. I did not care about Russo winning the WCW World Championship. It was incongruous crap.But I certainly cared about that Windham/Austin match. I totally agree with you in the part that I highlighted and David Arquette winning it too. That's was a total farce and he held it for 12 days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 9:56:07 GMT -5
What Russo didn't understand was that wrestling was about attracting viewers, PPV buys, making money, etc.
In one interview, he talked about how USA Today did a feature - was it front page? - on Arquette winning the title.
Great! Okay, fine. But did that lead to increased ratings, PPV buys, more money, etc?
He seemed to shock for the sake of shocking people. I like logic. Paul Bearer turning on the Undertaker was presented logically; the Rockers splitting up was presented logically; the split of the Mega Powers was presented logically. And those angles led somewhere.
But it felt like Russo thought, 'Who can I shock today? Who can I put the belt on?'
If Russo himself holding the WCW Championship would have led to increased interest, increased ratings, increased PPV buys and profits for WCW, it might have been justifiable. But it led nowhere. Wasn't he champion for two days? What did that achieve other than devaluing a title?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 10:44:06 GMT -5
Personally, you are right about Vince Russo and I just find him ... like Paul Harvey said you'll know the rest of the story.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 11:11:41 GMT -5
I know this is a random question, but what was with Papa Shango interfering at the end of the Hulk Hogan/Sid Justice WM VIII match? I know it led to the returning Ultimate Warrior/Papa Shango feud, but it was random and bizarre.
Run-ins usually seemed logical. Naturally, if one of Jimmy Hart's wrestlers was battling, say, Davey Boy Smith, it made sense for one of Hart's other wrestlers to enter. Or Shawn Michaels coming to ringside during Marty Jannetty's match with Papa Shango (Jannetty and Michaels were bitter enemies). Or Andre the Giant, who had history with Earthquake, coming to ringside as the Natural Disasters beat up Davey Boy Smith.
It could also be random and logical. Tatanka interfered in a match between Bob Backlund and Razor Ramon (I think it was Ramon). Tatanka had battled with Ramon - and he was being, well, heelish to everyone in 1994/95.
But there seemed to be no rhyme or reason to Shango interfering in the Hogan/Justice match. Had Shango had an alliance with Justice? Had Shango had history with Hogan? I don't think so. It might have made sense for someone like the Warlord, who had been managed by Harvey Wippleman (who was managing Justice), to come out. But even as a kid, Papa Shango inserting himself randomly into a Hogan/Justice match - when he had no history of a beef with Hogan or an alliance with Justice - felt odd. If we're gonna use a comic analogy, it'd have been like Green Goblin arriving randomly to help the Frightful Four plague the Fantastic Four.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 11:44:32 GMT -5
Maybe Cody can fill us in ... I just find Papa Shango not my cup of tea and I was kind of turn off by this character and I have my reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 11:47:45 GMT -5
Maybe Cody can fill us in ... I just find Papa Shango not my cup of tea and I was kind of turn off by this character and I have my reasons. For me, he worked in the "Cartoon Era". I didn't mind seeing him battling fan favourites. I remember Bret Hart talking about "honour" prior to a showdown with Shango. And something like Undertaker/Shango was comic-booky!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 29, 2019 21:17:16 GMT -5
Can't help you on that: I definitely was not watching that stuff, whatsoever. Soultaker/Papa Shango/Kama Mustafa/The Godfather was not a favorite, of any kind. I couldn't stand watching that cartoony mees that was the WWF, in that period. By 1990, I don't think I ever watched more than about 5-10 minutes of WWF programming, in a week. WCW, yes; but, not that. I'd watch Wold Class/USWA, on ESPN long before McMahon's circus. Even a pasty white, beer belly, under-sized Eric Embry was more entertaining than Ultimate Warrior and various caricatures of professions-turned-wrestlers.
I didn't really watch much WWF until they started RAW and even then, not regularly until the Monday Night Wars.
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Post by berkley on Jul 30, 2019 0:58:02 GMT -5
... and various caricatures of professions-turned-wrestlers.
Maybe he thought it was "Professionals Wrestling" until someone explained it to him years later.
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