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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 8:56:52 GMT -5
While winning a world title is, understandably, something that every wrestler aims to do, there are wrestlers who, after having world title reigns, have gone on to hold "lesser" titles such as the Intercontinental Championship and WCW United States Championship. Those titles have a lot of prestige, and it's completely believable to me that, after holding world titles, wrestlers who aren't in world title contention might wish to hold any of those titles. The likes of Sting and John Cena have done so.
Except Hulk Hogan of course!
When Hogan was dominating the world title scenes (in the WWF and WCW), I did often wonder what might have happened had other stars been given the chance to shine - and Hogan had instead gone for one of the prestigious non-world titles. I guess Hogan needed the world title, but in the twilight of his career, he could have perhaps "stood aside" and perhaps wrestled for other belts. I say that as a Hogan fan.
Fantasy scenario: in 1995-96, Hogan steps away from the world title picture. I'd have loved to have seen him contend for the US Championship. Or, during his 1993 WWF tenure, he could have let Bret carry the world title while perhaps being a special attraction away from title contention.
Sting probably didn't have the ego of Hulk Hogan, so he seemed happy at times being away from world title contention or wrestling for a "lesser" belt. And there's no shame in that. I have enjoyed seeing John Cena with the US Championship, years after his world title reigns. It really is no bad thing.
I just wonder how different WCW could have been if, now and again, Hogan had stepped away from the world title picture and perhaps been more of a special attraction, challenging for either the US Championship or WCW Tag Team Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 10:47:31 GMT -5
Hogan in my mind has a huge ego just like Ric Flair. I prefer Sting over Hogan any day of the week because that his own temperament. He won a Tag Team Belt with Edge once and that shocked me. I know you are a Hulkamaniac but I'm not; I hated his time in WCW with the NWO angle and that stupid Immortal angle at TNA Impact. I liked him at AWA and WWE in the early days and all that. His gimmick as Mr. America made him a laughingstock in my views as a wrestler. I lost respect for him when he did this in the later part of his time at WWE.  He had 12 titles in WCW and WWE and one title in IWGP and 2 titles in Southern Championship Wrestling. Ric Flair and John Cena had more and I think Sting was a bit jealous of Ric in WCW and I liked John better than Hogan more than Stone Cold, Triple H, and Bret "The Hitman" Hart combined. I'm very disappointed in Goldberg. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 10:56:56 GMT -5
Hang on, the WWF never proved that Hogan and Mr America were one and the same. Mr America passed that lie detector test on SmackDown, remember?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 12:16:50 GMT -5
Hang on, the WWF never proved that Hogan and Mr America were one and the same. Mr America passed that lie detector test on SmackDown, remember? Sadly, I did not watch that segment. Jim Cornette needs to get back into Wrestling more than ever and he needs to clean up WWE immediately and do a massive firing of wrestlers and make the stockholders of WWE to derail Vince McMahon immediately. Both Triple H and Stephanie McMahon needs to step down and do load management on the spotlight. Jim is 58 years old. AEW and ROH needs to merge together and Tessa Blanchard needs go to AEW now. AEW needs another major star and I'm somewhat impressed by Cody Rhodes but he a bit inexperience and learning the hard way and that's why I'm not sold on AEW. TNA Impact needs to disband and Global Force Wrestling is a joke. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 14:04:30 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd want to see Triple H step down as he does appear to have a passion for the in-ring stuff. I can't imagine him ever resurrecting anything stupid like the Diva Search. I think he loves the business.
Vince McMahon is probably a workaholic. I'd love to know if he actually has a life outside wrestling. Does he go to the movies? Watch Netflix? Read literature? If he retired, I doubt he'd know what to do with himself. That's just an opinion, I have nothing to back that up with.
Jim Cornette would be an asset wherever he goes, I'm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 14:13:05 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd want to see Triple H step down as he does appear to have a passion for the in-ring stuff. I can't imagine him ever resurrecting anything stupid like the Diva Search. I think he loves the business. Vince McMahon is probably a workaholic. I'd love to know if he actually has a life outside wrestling. Does he go to the movies? Watch Netflix? Read literature? If he retired, I doubt he'd know what to do with himself. That's just an opinion, I have nothing to back that up with. Jim Cornette would be an asset wherever he goes, I'm sure. Right now, I have mixed feelings about Triple H ... his Diva Search is a disaster. About Vince ... he is a workaholic and I have no idea what he does outside of wrestling. Maybe Cody can fill us in? Jim Cornette ... man, I loved this guy and one of the smartest man in Pro Wrestling today. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 14:34:56 GMT -5
Did Triple H have anything to do with the Diva Search? I thought that was 100% Vince's idea. I did read somewhere that Triple H didn't really approve of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 14:46:12 GMT -5
Did Triple H have anything to do with the Diva Search? I thought that was 100% Vince's idea. I did read somewhere that Triple H didn't really approve of it. ... it was Vince's idea from the get go. Triple H has nothing to do with it and actually Stephanie actually helped Vince on this. Triple H has other more important things to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 14:56:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 17:12:30 GMT -5
I seen this movie in Portland, Oregon about 15-20 years ago and it's not that bad a movie ... nothing spectacular but fairly retro at the time it was made. Fairly decent and has a sense of realism too. Wallace Beery did the role of Polakai with substance and understanding. I would give this film a solid B. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 3, 2019 20:39:27 GMT -5
In a way, that film gave us Barton Fink. The premise of Barton Fink was that a serious writer is hired to write a Wallace Beery wrestling movie, to get his own work produced by the studio. The Asphalt Jungle has some honest to goodness wrestling in i; pluss, Mike Mazurki, who had been a journeyman wrestler, noted character actor, and one of the founders of the Cauliflower Alley Club...   Danny Kaye's The Inspector General features a gymnasium scene, where some wrestlers are working out, including Danny McShane. Danny gets twisted around, a bit. My favorite wrestling movie is still All the Marbles... Great cast and great matches. The actresses trained with Mildred Burke and they were good. Vicki Frederick was a dancer and took right to it and Lorene Landon was just as great. Falk made the film. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 3, 2019 20:48:44 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd want to see Triple H step down as he does appear to have a passion for the in-ring stuff. I can't imagine him ever resurrecting anything stupid like the Diva Search. I think he loves the business. Vince McMahon is probably a workaholic. I'd love to know if he actually has a life outside wrestling. Does he go to the movies? Watch Netflix? Read literature? If he retired, I doubt he'd know what to do with himself. That's just an opinion, I have nothing to back that up with. Jim Cornette would be an asset wherever he goes, I'm sure. Right now, I have mixed feelings about Triple H ... his Diva Search is a disaster. About Vince ... he is a workaholic and I have no idea what he does outside of wrestling. Maybe Cody can fill us in? Jim Cornette ... man, I loved this guy and one of the smartest man in Pro Wrestling today. Cornette described working with him, when he was on Creative, in the WWE-Vince was always working, always taking phone calls. Up very late, didn't sleep much, didn't describe any outside pursuits. Totally obsessed with making money and showing up his father. Corny has no desire to get back full time into wrestling or creative. He retired from managing and pretty much does his podcasts, runs his collectibles business and does his NWA commentary gigs, which are taped over a couple of days. He has no desire to do more, especially after the death of Stacy's (Mrs Cornette, aka the manager, Sinn) father. He is more interested in being around home and doing his other projects. The WWE, pots-https://youtu.be/pLwjP0SRceYince will be Trips & Steph. He has been the brains behind NXT and it draws praise. I suspect it will be in good hands, if Vince ever retires or (more likely) keels over. Problem is, with Steph running creative, I don't know that it will be much better, in terms of storylines and overly stage-managed promos and bad skits. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 3, 2019 21:11:00 GMT -5
Hang on, the WWF never proved that Hogan and Mr America were one and the same. Mr America passed that lie detector test on SmackDown, remember? Sadly, I did not watch that segment. Jim Cornette needs to get back into Wrestling more than ever and he needs to clean up WWE immediately and do a massive firing of wrestlers and make the stockholders of WWE to derail Vince McMahon immediately. Both Triple H and Stephanie McMahon needs to step down and do load management on the spotlight. Jim is 58 years old. AEW and ROH needs to merge together and Tessa Blanchard needs go to AEW now. AEW needs another major star and I'm somewhat impressed by Cody Rhodes but he a bit inexperience and learning the hard way and that's why I'm not sold on AEW. TNA Impact needs to disband and Global Force Wrestling is a joke. AEW seems to have an issue with someone being in charge, as it seems like too many people are involved in booking and no one has the final say on things. That is not a good recipe for the future. Cody seems to be the right person to oversee things; but, I think he isn't focused beyond the main event thing. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 3, 2019 21:16:37 GMT -5
I did hear that Rob Van Dam got a burn on AEW and got a pop from Cornette.
He referred to them as "All Petite Wrestling" I think that is likely to be Corny's new favorite phrase, right after "My Little Dog Pockets." (Orange Cassidy) and Kenny Olivier (Kenny Omega, in reference to calling what he does his "performance art.")
On the plus side, Corny has raved about Cody, Dustin and Jericho and that it is pretty much gold; and, from what little I have seen, I would say he is right, as that daws draw your attention.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 3, 2019 21:31:04 GMT -5
Hang on, the WWF never proved that Hogan and Mr America were one and the same. Mr America passed that lie detector test on SmackDown, remember? Sadly, I did not watch that segment. Jim Cornette needs to get back into Wrestling more than ever and he needs to clean up WWE immediately and do a massive firing of wrestlers and make the stockholders of WWE to derail Vince McMahon immediately. Both Triple H and Stephanie McMahon needs to step down and do load management on the spotlight. Jim is 58 years old. AEW and ROH needs to merge together and Tessa Blanchard needs go to AEW now. AEW needs another major star and I'm somewhat impressed by Cody Rhodes but he a bit inexperience and learning the hard way and that's why I'm not sold on AEW. TNA Impact needs to disband and Global Force Wrestling is a joke. Cornette is currently doing play by play (and I assume creative stuff) for NWA Powerrr.... you guys should all check it out if you haven't.. it's an 80s style studio show complete with cheesy graphics and 80s music. |
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