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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 10, 2024 8:07:07 GMT -5
I agree that Kerry probably would have been better off with the truth about his foot, but what do I know. Nowadays I think that would definitely be built as a positive, how he's overcome adversity and he could be an inspiration for people with prosthetics, but back in those benighted times, it might have been viewed more as a source of embarrassment.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 10, 2024 8:16:58 GMT -5
I recently rewatched Battle Royal at Albert Hall from 1991. Was this a PPV in the UK? First, it’s good to see Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby Heenan on commentary. It’s been a little while since I’ve seen these two at this point. I see a lot of Legion of Doom shoulder pads in the crowd. The first match is the Nasty Boys w/ Jimmy Hart vs. The Rockers.The Rockers seemed to open for a lot of big events in 1991. There’s a LOT of stalling to begin. The Rockers are mostly in control until the Nasties low-bridge Michaels and he goes spilling out onto the floor. The Nasties take control for quite a while after that, with Michaels playing the face in peril. Jimmy Hart gets on the apron and distracts the ref, then tosses his megaphone to Knobbs, who uses it to club Marty (who’s in the process of pinning Sags) on the back of the head, allowing Sags to instead pin Marty for the win. It seems like the Rockers had more than their fair share of losses, for a team that was so over. This was a fun match, mostly because of the Rockers. The match was over 17 minutes, which is longer than you’d really like to see the Nasty Boys go, which is probably why there were some slow dull stretches. Anyway, the Rockers were probably my favorite tag team to watch. So exciting and also such good teamwork. There was a lot of playing to the crowd in this match, and there was a cute spot where the Rockers had an arm stretcher (or whatever you call that move) on one of the Nasties, and kept making illegal switches behind the refs back (who was getting distracted by the other Nasty) and the ref would ask the crowd if the tag was legal and of course they responded in the affirmative. Also, the crowd was really into this, which helped. Next we get Gene Okerlund interviewing Roc Flair. This is when Flair first joined the WWF and was going around with his NWA World Championship belt claiming to be the “real world champion”. This must have been one of his first WWF matches. Next match is Tito Santana vs. Ric Flair.This should be a good one. This is shortly before Tito became el Matador. This was a good, solid match. Basically what you’d expect in a Flair-Tito match. I thought Tito looked really good here. Probably not the best match either guy has ever had, but certainly good, and the crowd was hot for it, which helped a lot. After just over 16 minutes, Flair reverses Tito’s rollup and grabs a LOT of Tito’s tight (exposing a full moon over Tecula!) for the win. We are 2 for 2 so far. Next match is the Big Boss Man vs. Earthquake, w. Jimmy Hart. Sorry, but not a very good match, overall. Kinda boring. Bossman looked pretty good, though, but this match was slow with not a lot of good spots (except a Boss Man enziguri) and, at nearly 16 minutes, was way too long for these two guys. I don’t know whose idea that was. Flair-Santana going 16 minutes is totally fine, but Earthquake-Boss Man going 16 minutes? Uh, no. Anyway, after Earthquake accidentally knocks Hart off the apron, the Mountie comes out, helps up his manager, then trips up Boss Man, allowing Earthquake to get the elbow drop for the win. Mountie and Earthquake had been feuding, that that feud was done at this point. The heels have won all 3 matches so far! Next match is the Mountie, w. Jimmy Hart, vs. Kerry Von Erich. Not a very good match. Pretty boring. The Mountie wins when he blocks a monkey flip attempt and puts his feet on the ropes for leverage during the pin. The ref announces him the winner, and he goes onto the floor to have garbage thrown on him, then he goes back in the ring as it appears that the ref is asking him if he has his foot on the ropes. The announcers say the ref is restarting the match but after about 20 seconds Mountie just up and leaves, so I’m not really sure what happened or who the official winner was, but I think it was the Mountie, since I didn’t hear a bell ring for a countout after he left. The best part of this match is hearing Monsoon and Heenan bicker. The crowd also started a jailbird chant, as the Mountie had lost that match against the Boss Man at one of the PPV’s where the loser had to spend a night in jail. Next match is The Undertaker w/ Paul Bearer vs. Hacksaw Jim Duggan. I am NOT optimistic about this one. Duggan is just about my least favorite wrestler. I find him insufferable. Also, while Undertaker had very good presence, his in ring work wasn’t that great at this point. Anyway, the moron Duggan comes out with an American flag, and actually gets a good response. Also, about halfway through the match, he starts a USA chant, which actually has some success. We get a long (well, over 6 minutes but it seemed longer) boring match with a lot of choking. In the end, moron Duggan gets DQ’d by hitting Undertaker with a 2x4 within plain sight of the ref. Give me a break. We get a bunch of wrestler interviews with Gene Okerlund, some of which (like Roddy Piper and Legion of Doom) are rather amusing. Next match is for the WWF Tag Team Titles: The Legion of Doom vs. Power & Glory. This was a decent match. LOD win it in a little over 9 minutes when Roma comes off the top rope but Animal catches then powerslams him for the win. Animal was face in peril for a good chunk of the match. Overall pretty good. There was one botched spot I noticed where Animal was supposed to throw Hercules over the top rope but one of them messed something up so Hercules fell on the mat and just slid out under the bottom rope. That looked so weird. Next match is The British Bulldog vs. The Barbarian. The “hometown” boy gets his match! This was a decent match. It ends with a Davey Boy win when Barbarian misses a corner charge and Bulldog scoops him up for the power slam, in a little over 10 minutes. Obviously, a huge pop for this one as the local guy gets the win, but then the crowd has been into everything in this show! Finally, we get the Battle Royal, with 20 guys. Lord Alfred Hayes joins Gorilla and Bobby on commentary for this one. As with any battle royal, it starts off slowly and you don’t know where to look. It gets more interesting as we get down to about 8 guys. Duggan gets cleanly eliminated by Earthquake, but because he’s a dick, he goes and gets his 2x4, gets back in the ring, and hits Earthquake with it a few times, knocking him out. Have I mentioned that I can’t stand Jim Duggan? There’s a cute spot where Piper knocks Knobbs over the top rope onto the apron, and Knobbs is standing there, losing his balance, not trying to fall off, and Piper pushes him off with one finger. Then waves bye-bye to him. Piper also got to eliminate Flair (much to Heenan’s consternation) who was his big rival at the time. The crowd loved that. The Undertaker also followed Duggan’s example and eliminated the guy (Piper) who had eliminated him rather than just leaving. But then, Undertaker is a heel at this point, so I would expect that of him. The final 4 are: Typhoon, Mountie (both Jimmy Hart guys), Big Boss Man, and local boy Davey Boy Smith! Boss Man gets eliminated, then some heel miscommunication leads to Typhoon knocking the Mountie out (imagine that!) then Davey Boy eliminated Typhoon by ducking a Typhoon charge in a very sloppy looking finish that made Typhoon look pretty dumb. The winner is the British Bulldog, Davey Boy Smith! Of course, this was to be expected, but it was still cool to see. As he lay there, exhausted, Earthquake and Typhoon come in and start beating on him. Davey Boy eventually rolls out of the ring just before the earthquake flop (or whatever it’s called) but is still laying on the floor and the heels come out to beat on him some more. Isn’t anybody going to come help him? Well, who should come to the rescue but…Andre the Giant! It was really cool to see him make the save, though also a bit sad to see him with a walking stick (though he did manage to use that as a weapon). So, a happy ending for all except the Jimmy Hart Foundation. I thought the battle royal, and the extracurricular activity afterwards, enjoyable, though the final elimination, of Typhoon, didn’t look very convincing, so that hurt things a bit. Overall, I thought this was a solid event. There were a couple of bad matches, but most of the matches were enjoyable, though certainly no 5 star matches here. To answer your question, it wasn’t on PPV in the UK, it no doubt aired on Sky Sports, as did most of the UK and European events. Are you sure Andre the Giant showed up at the end? Hogan claims Andre passed away a couple of days after WM III in 1987, so not sure how Andre could have been here. Unless Hogan lied again. I’m pretty much in agreement with your assessment of every match. There aren’t any classics here, as you said. I don’t think there’s anything bad here. I do like how convincing and underrated 90s WWF psychology is. I mean, I’ve seen criticism of The Barbarian (from pretentious wrestling ‘journalists’), but I feel he looked believable. He wrestled believably. When he hit an opponent with a big boot, you felt it. He looked like he wanted to brutalise his opponent. Ditto Earthquake. So I have little time for pretentious wrestling ‘journalists’ who often derided such men. Sorry, had to get that off my chest. I did feel sorry for Barbarian, wrestling in the battle royal minutes after getting his clock cleaned by Davey Boy (which was my match of the card). Was this Power and Glory’s last televised bout? It may have been, and Roma was gone shortly after. I wish that team had had more success. I like the commentary for the battle royal, e.g. Heenan asking why 20 guys were fighting over a teapot, Gorilla mentioning how Undertaker didn’t care about victory, only how many opponents he could stuff in a bodybag, and Heenan claiming Hogan was a coward and hadn’t come to the UK because Flair was there. I also enjoyed the entrances. Flair seemed to rattle people. The wrestlers seemed quite quiet and stoic when Undertaker entered. As a kid, I was disappointed Hogan hadn’t made the trip over the Atlantic, but I suppose his ego would have meant he’d win. The battle royal was fun, although it did seem to stick entirely to faces vs heels. Might have been interesting to see Undertaker go after, say, Earthquake, or Piper and Big Boss Man go at it. I’m not sure why any wrestler would hold another wrestler so that someone as large as Typhoon could clothesline them. I also don’t get how some wrestlers failed to realise that you should get the big guy out. Yes, Mountie and Typhoon were managed by Jimmy Hart, but didn’t Mountie realise that if he and Typhoon had eliminated Davey Boy, then Mountie would have to try to eliminate Typhoon all by himself? WWF logic, eh? This was often the way. In 1993, the WWF did a 20-man battle royal where the final two participants would challenge for the vacant IC championship. Razor Ramon, Rick Martel and The Quebecers were the final four. So what does Martel do? He and The Quebecers turn on Razor. Didn’t he realise that if they’d eliminated Ramon, the Quebecers would have turned their attention to him, leaving him at a 2-on-1 disadvantage? WWF logic, eh? I’m glad Andre appeared, and it ended the event on a feelgood note, with Andre attacking ‘Quake and Typhoon. (Andre also appeared in Davey Boy’s corner when the Bulldog had a solo bout against ‘Quake, shortly after this bout) Overall, a pretty good card, given the crap us Brits were often fed (don’t get me started on a crappy UK event WCW put on in 2000). Yeah, maybe Andre didn’t show up. I’ll trust Hogan’s word over my own eyes. I agree that Barbarian is underrated. Not that I think he’s great, but from some of the online comments I’ve read about him. Well, he’s better than that. If this wasn’t Power & Glory’s last televised bout, it must have been close to it. Yeah, it would have been nice if they’d had a better run. You expect Hogan to stoop to making a trip across the Atlantic? Please. Wrestlers do act stupid a lot, and battle royals are no exception. All of the other wrestlers should have teamed up to eliminate the Undertaker and the Natural Disasters. Speaking of feeding, you Brits certainly ate this card up! And yes, it was pretty good, considering what you could have gotten. Plus, at least one belt (tag team) was up for grabs. One thing I forgot to mention in my review, Heenan is glad enough to put the Undertaker over as some inhuman, undead creature, but Gorilla is having none of it. I wonder if Gorilla's disdain for the cartoonish gimmicks that popped up in the 90's is a reason for his diminishing role on commentary.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 10, 2024 8:18:13 GMT -5
I can’t speak for what superstars got tapes in the US, but in the UK, circa early 1990s, only Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior got tapes devoted to their bouts. Then Bret Hart and Undertaker. And then, in 1994, Razor Ramon. So I revisited this earlier tonight: We begin with a solid bout featuring Razor vs. Bam Bam Bigelow, which the Bad Guy wins via pinfall. We see highlights of the 20-Man Battle Royal which earned the final two participants a shot at the vacant Intercontinental Championship. The Model Rick Martel, The Quebecers and Razor are the final four. As so often happens, the heel and heel team work together…which makes no sense. If the three had eliminated Ramon, then The Quebecers would surely have turned their attention to Martel. Logically, it would have made more sense for Martel and Ramon to quickly form an alliance, leaving them free to eliminate The Quebecers, right? I mean, that makes more sense, yes? Instead, we get the boring, old heel dynamic. In a storyline sense, The Quebecers would have eliminated Martel so that they could pursue the IC championship. (Razor and Martel win) WWF logic, eh? We move on to the IC championship bout between Razor and Martel, which is a good bout. Razor wins and becomes champion. Razor pins Crush in a mediocre bout. And then does the same to Adam Bomb. Neither of these matches are good or bad, they’re something in between. We then arrive at WM X for the Ladder Match between Razor and Shawn. Logically, this match belongs on the tape, but it was already on the WM X tape. Chances are, and I’ve said this a million times, buyers of this tape had seen and owned the WM X tape. Why not show us another bout? Still, it was a tremendous, riveting bout between the two, so for any who hadn’t seen it, it’s good that it’s here. Then it’s “back in time” for Ramon defending the IC title against IRS at Royal Rumble ‘94. It was an okay bout, but already on the PPV tape. Also, this match wasn’t even listed on the videotape sleeve, which proves how inconsequential Coliseum must have considered it. In a non-title match, Razor beat Jeff Jarrett via DQ in a reasonable bout due to interference by Diesel and Shawn Michaels. We end with a fun (but short) bout between Razor and Yokozuna, the highlight of which is Razor attempting the Razor’s Edge on Yoko. Crush inteferes, and then Lex Luger comes out to even the odds. It wouldn’t be a Coliseum Video release without an inconclusive ending, right? Oh, and throughout the tape, Ramon gives us his kayfabe thoughts on his WWF career. Duplication of matches aside, there’s nothing bad here, and most of it is brilliant, showing Razor’s dominance and ascent. One of the better profile tapes of the 90s. Peacock does have a Razor tape from 1994 available. I'll have to check it out in a few weeks and compare it to this.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Jun 10, 2024 11:04:23 GMT -5
I believe the Kerry/DeBeers match was in Las Vegas for the AWA around 1988
I can understand not liking Warlord, but Barbarian was awesome. Great looking power moves
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Post by driver1980 on Jun 10, 2024 11:23:48 GMT -5
I believe the Kerry/DeBeers match was in Las Vegas for the AWA around 1988 I can understand not liking Warlord, but Barbarian was awesome. Great looking power moves It all felt believable to me, as a kid and now. A big boot, a shoulderblock, an elbow drop - not to mention timing and ring presence - all felt convincing to me. (I did like Warlord, too, as what he did looked like it hurt!) I do like it when less is more. A Barbarian shoulderblock to a jobber - when it looks like it hurts! - seems more convincing and fun to me than 2 guys exchanging aerial moves for 2 solid minutes without a break or selling it.
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Post by driver1980 on Jun 11, 2024 11:42:28 GMT -5
Thirty years ago today, Hulk Hogan made his debut for WCW at the Disney taping in Orlando, which aired on WCW Saturday Night. Alongside Jimmy Hart, Hogan arrived in a convertible (red and yellow, obviously) and was interviewed by Mean Gene Okerlund. This did feel surreal at the time. I honestly expected Hogan to rejoin the WWF. The idea of getting used to Hogan wrestling on a ring with the letters “WCW” would take some getting used to. I did want Hogan to return to the WWF, as I envisioned potential match-ups such as Hogan/Diesel, Hogan/Michaels, maybe even face matches such as Hogan/Bret. At the same time, I also anticipated what WCW might hold, such as Hogan/Flair (which we saw many times) and Hogan/Austin (which we never saw). Despite the hindsight of Hogan’s tenure - I feel he should have passed the torch between 1998 and 2000 - I can’t deny how exciting it all felt in June of 1994. And they certainly spared no expense with that welcome.
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Post by driver1980 on Jun 11, 2024 13:33:21 GMT -5
Forty years ago today:
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Post by driver1980 on Jun 11, 2024 13:39:07 GMT -5
And thirty years ago today, Ted DiBiase brought the Undertaker back to the WWF (or so we thought!) on WWF Superstars:
I do miss the cartoony era, ya know!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 11, 2024 20:55:36 GMT -5
Thirty years ago today, Hulk Hogan made his debut for WCW at the Disney taping in Orlando, which aired on WCW Saturday Night. Alongside Jimmy Hart, Hogan arrived in a convertible (red and yellow, obviously) and was interviewed by Mean Gene Okerlund. This did feel surreal at the time. I honestly expected Hogan to rejoin the WWF. The idea of getting used to Hogan wrestling on a ring with the letters “WCW” would take some getting used to. I did want Hogan to return to the WWF, as I envisioned potential match-ups such as Hogan/Diesel, Hogan/Michaels, maybe even face matches such as Hogan/Bret. At the same time, I also anticipated what WCW might hold, such as Hogan/Flair (which we saw many times) and Hogan/Austin (which we never saw). Despite the hindsight of Hogan’s tenure - I feel he should have passed the torch between 1998 and 2000 - I can’t deny how exciting it all felt in June of 1994. And they certainly spared no expense with that welcome. Hated this with a passion. I knew that this signaled that they were going to try to be WWF-Lite and I could pretty much forget about the old slogan, "We wrestle!" Not my pot of tea, let alone cup. I pretty much checked out for the next couple of years, until I caught a match between Eddie Guerrero and Dean Malenko, I think on Nitro (possibly the Saturday show) and the start of the NWO angle. Prior to that, I would see it channel surfing, but usually went on past, after seeing what was on offer. I watched a bit of early RAW but not for more than a few months, until the same time frame. Even then, I tuned in for the luchadors, Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero,,,,guys like that who wrestled matches. Most of the NWO stuff left me cold, apart from the angle with DDP and Savage, which led into him turning them down, hitting the Diamond Cutter, then escaping through the crowd. Loved the match where he worked as La Parka, then pulled out the win and unmasked. The Sting stuff was usually kind of anti-climactic . I'd watch the cruiserweights, the Horsemen and Raven's stuff, then switch over to RAW to see what was going on there and switch back, depending on what was happening. But, yeah, my interest started waning in 1992 and kept decreasing until I was barely checking it out, from 93/94 onward....maybe watching a week or two, but definitely not every week nor buying PPVs. I got into UFC and was watching their PPVs, as well as some of the Pancrase shows they broadcast and some of the early UFC competitors, like the Extreme Fighting Championship, The World Combat Championship, and that one Martial Arts Reality Superfight (MARS) show, where Renzo Gracie knocked out Oleg Taktarove, with a heel kick, when he tried to snatch an ankle. I recall the Shoot Wrestling PPV ads, with Duggan and Lou Duva (and Gary Albright), for UWFI; but, never watched one (did see the card on Youtube later).
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Post by driver1980 on Jun 12, 2024 3:53:07 GMT -5
I revisited another tape last night (and this one will be donated to a charity shop): How much you like this tape will depend on your tolerance of 1992/93 Undertaker, who, as we know, worked a plodding style then (and that plodding style didn’t really work well unless his opponent was fast or capable of taking bumps). Before I review this, let me say that the tape must have been sponsored by Greenpeace as the theme is “recycling”. Of the eleven bouts featured here, seven - yes, seven - featured on other tapes. That’s taking the piss even by Coliseum standards. The match of the tape is Undertaker vs. Bam Bam Bigelow. As Bigelow can move fast and take bumps, he gells well with Undertaker. Taker wins via pinfall, albeit after Tatanka and Bigelow brawl outside (Bigelow had tried to leave, but Tatanka stopped him). In a pretty poor 4-minute match, Undertaker defeats Yokozuna via DQ. The match had featured on Bashed in the USA and German Fan Favourites. Undertaker pins Repo Man in a glorified squash match. I already mentioned this in my review of the Grudges, Gripes and Grunts tape. From SummerSlam ‘92, we get Undertaker vs. Kamala. Taker wins via DQ in less than four minutes. It’s poor. Undertaker pins Papa Shango in a decent bout - but one which was already released on Invasion of the Bodyslammers. Undertaker battles Ramon to an inconclusive ending in YET ANOTHER match already shown on another tape ( Rampage ‘92). (Double count-out) In a fun bout, The Undertaker takes on The Berzerker & Mr. Fuji. Undertaker pins Berzerker. Next up, Undertaker vs. Kamala in their Survivor Series ‘92 casket match. This is no better than their previous match, but it mercifully ended the feud. The Undertaker pins The Mountie. This worked well as Mountie acted cocksure and tried his best (bless him), but he couldn’t dent the Dead Man. This was entertaining. In an absolutely awful match, Undertaker battles Giant Gonzalez, winning via DQ after Mr. Hughes interferes. (This also featured on German Fan Favourites). We end the tape with more recycling as Ric Flair defends the WWF Championship against Undertaker. Sounds good on paper, right? But it was never gonna end conclusively. Taker wins via DQ. It’s mediocre. I would not be surprised if people had demanded a refund after buying this. Only the bouts with Berzerker & Fuji, Bigelow and Mountie worked. Everything else is skippable. And shame on Coliseum for not even trying to find other bouts that hadn’t been featured elsewhere. This is a terrible compilation, one to actively avoid.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 12, 2024 15:09:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure I really want to check out that Undertaker tape. If it was from a few years later, it would of course be a different matter.
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Post by driver1980 on Jun 12, 2024 15:30:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure I really want to check out that Undertaker tape. If it was from a few years later, it would of course be a different matter. Indeed. One of my favourite Taker matches is the one he had with Kurt Angle at No Way Out 2006. It was a near-30 minute classic. Oh, and I know Meltzer’s rating system is his own business, but when he claims he never saw a 5-star Kurt Angle match, it’s hard to take him seriously when I think of this bout. So compiling Undertaker bouts years later was better, I’m sure. I know a lot of 1992-1995 Undertaker bouts were “cartoon matches” (not always a bad thing), and choice for a compilation tape might have been limited in 1993, but I feel there was no excuse to compile an 11-match tape and “recycle” seven matches featured on other tapes. I mean, they could have included some others, e.g. Taker/Flair vs. Hogan/Justice from SNME. Didn’t Taker face Bret at an MSG taping? One frustrating thing about the WWF mindset back then was how they wouldn’t feature people on tape who’d left the company. So, despite being their biggest star of the 80s, Hogan was not gonna feature on a tape post-1993. The aforementioned Undertaker video could have featured something such as the scrap Taker and Sid Justice had during the WWF’s European tour of 1992, but, no, let’s ignore history, eh? We can’t possibly feature a talent on a tape if he’d left the WWF or something…
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Post by commond on Jun 12, 2024 16:04:46 GMT -5
It has a gnarly cover, though.
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Post by driver1980 on Jun 13, 2024 3:38:37 GMT -5
On this day 25 years ago, WCW continued its downward spiral with the rotten Great American Bash ‘99: This was poor from start to finish. It culminated in WCW World Champion Kevin Nash beating Randy Savage via DQ. I’m not really sure there was one decent match here. So hard to believe this is the same PPV that gave us great matches such as Sting/Vader (1992) and The Midnight Express/Tracey Smothers & Steve Armstrong (1990). What an atrocious event it was. I give Vince Russo a lot of flak, I know, but PPVs like this aired before he’d even set foot in WCW. It started to deteriorate in late 1998 due to various egos. Here’s the card: Hak vs Brian Knobbs (Hardcore Match) Van Hammer vs. Mikey Whipwreck Buff Bagwell vs. Disco Inferno Konnan & Rey Misterio Jr. vs. Curt Hennig & Bobby Duncum Jr. Ernest Miller vs. Horace Hogan Ric Flair vs. Roddy Piper WCW TV Champ Rick Steiner vs. Sting (Falls Count Anywhere Match) Diamond Dallas Page & Kanyon vs. WCW Tag Team Champions Chris Benoit & Perry Saturn WCW World Champ Kevin Nash vs. Randy Savage
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Post by commond on Jun 13, 2024 5:15:43 GMT -5
Reading my buddy's daily newsletter, it's interesting how financially strapped the WWF was when Vince first went national. Vince was having serious cash flow issues due to paying 90 stations to air his wrestling program and there were a lot of rumours flying around about the WWF facing a serious financial collapse. They got bailed out by a new $500,000 contract with New Japan, who were desperate to secure foreign talent at the time due to their problems. Vince used the money to pay off some of his biggest debts. There was also talk that Backlund would go to the AWA. I would have liked to have seen that. Backlund vs. Bockwinkel, Martel and Hennig would have been interesting.
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