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Post by dbutler69 on May 18, 2024 8:29:02 GMT -5
I watched Clash of the Champions 28 from August, 1994. Okay, so the main event here is supposed to be a rematch between Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair for the WCW championship. We have Tony Schiavone and Bobby Heenan calling the action with Gene Okerlund doing interviews. First match is Special Tag Team Feature: The Nasty Boys v. Pretty Wonderful
Pretty Wonderful are the champs and this is a non-title match but if the Nasties win they get a title shot. This was not a very good match, and the ending was terrible. The Nasties win when Sags does the elbow drop off the middle ropes and covers Orndorff for the pin, in spite of the fact that Sags wasn’t the legal man. Oh, and Orndorff wasn’t the legal man either. Unbelievably stupid and no reason or excuse for the ref to count that, but WCW seems to have an anything goes and anybody can pin anybody and it still counts attitude when it comes to tag team matches. Next, Hogan is coming out to the platform with Gene Okerlund for an interview when someone in a black costume & mask runs out, smashes Hogan in the knee with a metal pipe, then runs off. Hogan is yelling “oh my knee” over and over in some of the worst acting I’ve ever seen. At least he’s got Gene Okerlund to keep him company in the bad acting department here. They spend way too long on this segment, showing Hogan being tended to and taken in an ambulance to a nearby hospital. I don’t know how long this went on for, but it was way too long. Next match is US title: Stunning Steve Austin (champ) v. Ricky Steamboat
They even have a split screen during this match showing the ambulance going to the hospital while this match is going on!! Yes, I’d rather watch an ambulance drive down the street than watch Steve Austin vs. Ricky Steamboat. Next match is Terry Funk & Bunkhouse Buck v. Dustin Rhodes & Dusty Rhodes. This was on okay match. The Rhodeses win by DQ when Arn Anderson (who had cheapshotted Dustin on the outside of the ring a minute earlier) comes into the ring and blatantly interferes. Kind of a dumb ending. No reason for him to do that, since it’s not like Dusty was about to score the win or something. Anyway, like I said, this was on okay match. Dusty was clearly past his prime, but they did keep up a good pace in this match, with Dustin doing the heavy lifting for Team Rhodes. This was yet another WCW tag team match where they pay no attention whatsoever to who the legal man is. Can’t they at least pretend to adhere to some rules? Why should I care otherwise? Flair in an interview demands that Hogan walk to the arena and hand him the belt personally. Good stuff by Flair. Aaaand we get more discussion about Hulk Hogan, and he apparently left the hospital against the wishes of the doctor, his lawyer, and his cronies Brutus Beefcake and Jimmy Hart, and is walking (yes, walking) back to the arena, heroically, with his damaged knee, to face Ric Flair. Also, the lawyer goofed up when he implied that Eric Bischoff is the head of WCW. Next match is Antonio Inoki v. Lord Steven Regal.Regal is still TV champ but this is a nontitle match. Inoki is 51 years old at this point, FYI. Anyway, this was sort of like a boring MMA/shoot match. Regal got in most of the offense until the end where Inoki got him in a choke-sleeper hold and put Regal out. Not the most thrilling match. The best part was where Heenan, upon finding out that Inoki is in the Japanese House of Councilors which is the equivalent of our US Senate, said that this was like Regal suplexing Ted Kennedy. Final match is for the WCW World title: Hulk Hogan v. Ric FlairHogan heroically walked 5 blocks in about 10 minutes on a badly injured knee just so as to not disappoint all the little Pukesters, uh, I mean Hulksters out there. It would be good booking for Hogan to lose the title by hook or by crook to build up this rivalry and also build some sympathy, but what do you suppose the odds of that are? Hmmm? Okay, here we go. They had announced that if Hogan can’t wrestle, he will forfeit the title to Ric Flair. What??? When has a title ever changed hands without an actual match, because the guy got hurt before the match? I could understand the title being vacated, but you can’t just hand the title to the challenger. That’s just dumb and goes against anything I’d seen before in pro wrestling. How can you hand the title to the challenger without a match? But that’s WCW for you. Anyway, of course Hogan comes out at the last moment with his bandaged knee. He comes out with Jimmy Hart and Brutus Beefcake. As an aside, I hate when they call Brutus “Bruti”. I don’t know why, but that just rubs me the wrong way. Hogan starts by attacking Flair before the bell, then goes in with a bunch of heroic eye rakes, back scratches, and biting, and outside the ring tries a chair shot but Flair dodges it. They were outside the ring for a minute or more with no countout, but I don’t mind that in a championship match. Hogan basically dominated the match but Hogan falls out of the ring after Flair attempts another figure four (with some help from Sherri) and Hogan is counted out in about the quickest countout in history. The Hulkster doesn’t job, brother! Michael Buffer screws up twice. First, he declares Flair the new champion. Apparently Buffer doesn’t know the rules at all and is just there to collect a fat paycheck. After the ref corrects him, he then screws up again by saying that Flair won by disqualification rather than countout. Anyway, after the match, flair and Sherri go after Hogan’s knee, then the masked guy in black who had attacked Hogan earlier comes out to help, then runs to the back again. I guess that was supposed to be Mr Perfect but was actually Arn Anderson. And Sting runs out finally to make the save. Last year Sting was the biggest start in wrestling. This year he’s not even wrestling at this PPV and is reduced to coming out in civvies at the end to save Hogan . I don’t know if he was injured or if Bischoff just didn’t have faith in him (like he didn’t have faith in Steve Austin – good call Eric!) but it’s amazing how far, how fast Sting has slipped. No room for him in Hogan’s WCW anyway, I guess. This was a pretty decent match anyway, despite my complaints. One amusing thing during the Hogan match, when he and Flair were tussling on the floor, some little old lady hit Hogan with her walking stick. Good for you, granny! It didn’t look like anything that would hurt at all, but I appreciate the thought. So you had one great match (Austin-Steamboat) and a pretty good main event, and the rest of this show was awful, plus they spent too much time mooning over Hogan and his injury. Overall, probably a below average even if it was PPV, but since it was on “free TV” I can’t really complain too much. Has there been a WCW card so far that hasn’t had a lack of logic pertaining to tag matches? This event should have been titled Hulkamania I or something. Thank goodness Hogan doesn’t feature on the next chronological event, Fall Brawl ‘94. I, too, would rather have seen Steamboat/Austin, especially as this was another title win for the Dragon, than hear the announcers drone on about Hogan, Hogan, Hogan. Steamboat/Austin was no doubt the match of the night, but did it feel important? You know, WM VI was a one-match show if you think about it, but at least commentators didn’t keep going on about Hogan/Warrior during bouts such as Jake/DiBiase, and Demolition vs. The Colossal Connection. Main event bouts should speak for themselves. In hindsight, I believe Hogan should have dropped the belt to Flair, perhaps regaining it later on. I’d say the same for Hogan/Vader. Thing is, when you have monthly events, before too long you end up with Hogan running out of opponents. If you don’t already know, wait until you see who he faces at Starrcade 1994. Still, I did read that this Clash drew a good rating, so I guess fans were into Hogan/Flair, who were at least enthusiastic (it would seem) about their feud. It’s a shame the card was only okay, though: I like Pretty Wonderful, but they and the Nasty Boys didn’t really make magic. Inoki/Regal was intriguing, but pretty boring. At least Dusty & Dustin Rhodes vs. Terry Funk & Bunkhouse Buck was solid. If you haven’t seen it before, I have a feeling you’ll enjoy Fall Brawl ‘94. No, there hasn't been a WCW card so far that hasn't had a lack of logic pertaining to tag matches. Yeah, Hulkamania I would have been an appropriate name for this show, as everything else seemed very secondary, or even tertiary. And I should have mentioned, I think this was Steamboat's last match due to injury, at least for a long while. You're right, this did draw a very good rating, no doubt due to the Hulkster, I have to admit. I agree that Hogan should have dropped the belt here then regained it, but good luck talking him into that. It's a miracle that McMahon ever got him to lose clean to the Ultimate Warrior. And yes, the fans did seem into the Flair, Hogan feud. No, I haven't seen Fall Brawl '94, so I'm looking forward to that.
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Post by driver1980 on May 18, 2024 8:33:55 GMT -5
Well, you may not enjoy all of Fall Brawl ‘94. As for Hogan/Warrior at WM VI, did you ever read Hogan’s work of fiction…I mean, autobiography? There’s a whole chapter on him wrestling in front of 80,000 fans at Wembley Stadium. Which he has retold many times. He was in the main event. Funny, I remember a Canadian with black hair wrestling against a Brit with black hair. Perhaps, as I’ve stated many times, Hogan wrestled at Wembley in another universe, and that multiverse’s Hogan is the one who is interviewed. Anyway, I digress. In the book, Hogan admits that when he handed the WWF Championship to Warrior, he did it to steal the spotlight. What a selfish man he was. One might argue Warrior’s reign would not have worked anyway, but was it ever given a chance? Hogan/Earthquake overshadowed Warrior’s title reign. Hogan did the same when Goldberg won the WCW Championship. So, Warrior’s pros and cons aside, Egomania ran wild with its 24-inch pythons at WM VI, so one has to ask whether he really lost clean, pinfall aside.
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Post by driver1980 on May 18, 2024 13:10:16 GMT -5
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Post by codystarbuck on May 18, 2024 20:32:42 GMT -5
"There can be only one, brutha!" "Whatcha gonna do, when the Kurgan runs wild on you?" "I'm Juan Sanchez Villalobos Ramirez, brother...chief metallurgist to King Charles, of Spain and I am immortal...because I say my prayers and take my vitamins!" I am a real E-gyp-tian, Cutting the heads off Kur-gans I assume he was also supposed to play bass, instead of John Deacon, for the Queen soundtrack. Ed Leslie would have probably have been cast as as either Kastagir or the survivalist.
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Post by driver1980 on May 19, 2024 5:09:29 GMT -5
"There can be only one, brutha!" "Whatcha gonna do, when the Kurgan runs wild on you?" "I'm Juan Sanchez Villalobos Ramirez, brother...chief metallurgist to King Charles, of Spain and I am immortal...because I say my prayers and take my vitamins!" I am a real E-gyp-tian, Cutting the heads off Kur-gans I assume he was also supposed to play bass, instead of John Deacon, for the Queen soundtrack. Ed Leslie would have probably have been cast as as either Kastagir or the survivalist. From Wikipedia: What pisses me off about Hogan is that he must genuinely believe we are fools who are incapable of fact checking via the internet. I had a neighbour who told lies you knew were lies. Lies about £50,000 per annum pensions he’d cashed in early (yet he was forever moaning about being broke). Lies about driving lorries for a living at night, claiming he had done night shifts on certain dates even though I’d heard him cheering during football matches on nights he claimed he’d been driving. Claims he’d used his lorry to prevent a speeding car causing an accident on a motorway despite local news not having any such details. Claims of sporting successes. Claims he was broke and needed money because a previous tenant’s credit score had got mixed up with his and caused him bankruptcy issues. All utterly debunkable. Hogan must take us for fools. Yes, he’d done Rocky III and 2 episodes of The A-Team, but there was no way a movie director was considering him for a leading mainstream role in 1986. ”Train, say your prayers, eat your vitamins - and believe every debunkable lie I tell you.”
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Post by dbutler69 on May 19, 2024 7:40:44 GMT -5
Well, you may not enjoy all of Fall Brawl ‘94. As for Hogan/Warrior at WM VI, did you ever read Hogan’s work of fiction…I mean, autobiography? There’s a whole chapter on him wrestling in front of 80,000 fans at Wembley Stadium. Which he has retold many times. He was in the main event. Funny, I remember a Canadian with black hair wrestling against a Brit with black hair. Perhaps, as I’ve stated many times, Hogan wrestled at Wembley in another universe, and that multiverse’s Hogan is the one who is interviewed. Anyway, I digress. In the book, Hogan admits that when he handed the WWF Championship to Warrior, he did it to steal the spotlight. What a selfish man he was. One might argue Warrior’s reign would not have worked anyway, but was it ever given a chance? Hogan/Earthquake overshadowed Warrior’s title reign. Hogan did the same when Goldberg won the WCW Championship. So, Warrior’s pros and cons aside, Egomania ran wild with its 24-inch pythons at WM VI, so one has to ask whether he really lost clean, pinfall aside. No, I haven't gotten around to Hogan's book yet. I'm tempted, but then I haven't really felt like reading a piece of wrestling fiction. I thought in Bret Hart's book he said McMahon basically challenged Hogan with the clean loss to Warrior to see if he was willing to do it. Of course, Bret wouldn't really have behind the scenes knowledge of that angle. So who knows. Yeah, the biggest arms in the world and the biggest ego in the world. Maybe there's a correlation.
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Post by driver1980 on May 19, 2024 8:28:27 GMT -5
Well, you may not enjoy all of Fall Brawl ‘94. As for Hogan/Warrior at WM VI, did you ever read Hogan’s work of fiction…I mean, autobiography? There’s a whole chapter on him wrestling in front of 80,000 fans at Wembley Stadium. Which he has retold many times. He was in the main event. Funny, I remember a Canadian with black hair wrestling against a Brit with black hair. Perhaps, as I’ve stated many times, Hogan wrestled at Wembley in another universe, and that multiverse’s Hogan is the one who is interviewed. Anyway, I digress. In the book, Hogan admits that when he handed the WWF Championship to Warrior, he did it to steal the spotlight. What a selfish man he was. One might argue Warrior’s reign would not have worked anyway, but was it ever given a chance? Hogan/Earthquake overshadowed Warrior’s title reign. Hogan did the same when Goldberg won the WCW Championship. So, Warrior’s pros and cons aside, Egomania ran wild with its 24-inch pythons at WM VI, so one has to ask whether he really lost clean, pinfall aside. No, I haven't gotten around to Hogan's book yet. I'm tempted, but then I haven't really felt like reading a piece of wrestling fiction. I thought in Bret Hart's book he said McMahon basically challenged Hogan with the clean loss to Warrior to see if he was willing to do it. Of course, Bret wouldn't really have behind the scenes knowledge of that angle. So who knows. Yeah, the biggest arms in the world and the biggest ego in the world. Maybe there's a correlation. Another lie Hogan has told was that he wanted to turn heel at WM VI (or afterwards). Bull. He was making movies then. Why would he jeopardise that and merchandise sales in order to turn heel on Warrior? I did read that he really had to be talked into turning heel in WCW, which is understandable, given merchandise sales, his 15-year-run as a babyface at that point, his fans, etc. It was the right decision. But I certainly cannot imagine he wanted to turn heel in 1990. Would he have jeopardised interest in Suburban Commando with a heel turn? The man’s books aren’t works of fiction, they are works of fantasy! There’s only one so-called lie of his I believe, that he wanted the nWo to be him, Brian Knobbs and Ed Leslie. That I can believe!
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Post by driver1980 on May 19, 2024 8:44:46 GMT -5
Speaking of Hogan, I won this videotape back in the day (via a tabloid news competition): Firstly, it was only 45 minutes, whereas most compilation tapes ranged between 60 minutes and 2 hours. It also rehashed matches. Hogan vs. Andre at WM III had been on at least 2 prior Hogan tapes. Still, the atmosphere of this match has probably never been bettered on WWF soil. Hogan vs. Randy Savage (Paris, 1989) had already been featured on one other Hogan tape and WWF World Tour 1989/90. This was one of their best bouts (I’d say even better than WM V). Hulk Hogan & Hacksaw Jim Duggan vs. Sgt. Slaughter & Colonel Mustafa features, and that’s the only match on the tape which hadn’t featured on another tape. It’s reasonable. Then we have Hulk Hogan vs. The Undertaker from This Tuesday in Texas, which is only watchable at best - and had already featured on the Supertape ‘92 match. Also, it’s joined in progress. Hulkamania Cash Cow would have been a better title for this tape. It was gonna be directed at Hogan fans, right? And, most likely, those fans would have already seen/owned The Best of Hulkamania, Hulk Hogan Real American and Hulkamania Forever (and other Hogan tapes). So why on Earth didn’t Coliseum give us something fresh? I know it has been discussed that there were only a limited number of matches, given it was from an era of squash matches. But, come on! How about a Hogan/Savage bout that had not yet been featured on videotape? How about a SNME bout we hadn’t seen featured? How about Hogan vs. Piper from The Wrestling Classic? So many choices, but they gave us a 4-match tape where 3 matches had already been released. Even as a kid, I felt that that was lame. Incidentally, it was obviously the UK version I won. The US version featured 2 other matches, both of them Hogan vs. Sgt. Slaughter. I think us UK fans had a lucky escape. I mean, come on, a 6-match tape featuring 3 matches involving Hogan and Slaughter, one of which was a tag match. That’s overkill. I imagine even the most ardent Hogan/Slaughter fan would have been pining for something different. This did happen with other tapes. At least two 90s Bret Hart tapes featured a little bit too much Bret/Austin (angles and bouts) despite the fact the Best of Raw tapes also showcased that feud. You can have too much of a good thing, however marketable something is. It would be nice to hear a Coliseum Video/WWF employee talk about the mindset between match selections.
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Post by driver1980 on May 20, 2024 6:14:25 GMT -5
Someone shared a clip of Russo on Twitter, saying, “The real fan is the casual fan.” Sure thing, Russo. Yeah, the casual fan who might buy one PPV every 2-3 years is the real fan. I am beginning to think Russo is being a deliberate troll.
And that reminds me of other Russo philosophies, namely whether matches require storylines.
Do some expect too much in wanting storylines for every match?
I feel the answer is nuanced. Main event matches certainly require storylines. Hogan/Savage at WM V would have been lacking something without the storyline behind it. The culmination of Cody Rhodes/Roman Reigns is as much about the story as the match.
But I’m not sure every match needs a story. Wrestling is presenting itself as a sport at times. Does an opening match on Raw between two young talents really require a storyline? Isn’t the match the storyline at times, so to speak? Can’t it just be about the paycheck at times?
Certain matches on, say, Prime Time Wrestling didn’t have storylines. Some did. Some were better for it. But did Bret Hart vs. Rick Martel need a storyline? Sometimes can’t it just be about competitive matches and paychecks? Or wrestlers simply competing for championships or glory?
What do you think?
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Post by dbutler69 on May 20, 2024 15:29:51 GMT -5
I just watched Summerslam 1994.
McMahon’s steroid trial is finally over with him in the clear, and for co-main events we’ve got the brothers Hart battling for the WWF Championship and the Undertaker vs…the Undertaker?
There have been a series of vignettes with Leslie Nielson trying to solve the mystery of the Undertaker(s). Uh, okay. The vignettes were mildly amusing (he plays the Frank Drebin character from the Naked Gun movies, essentially) but they are basically breaking kayfabe by trying to pass Leslie Nielson off as “the world’s greatest detective”. Whatever.
McMahon and Jerry Lawler on commentary. I don’t know why they couldn’t have Jim Ross and Lawler, but oh well.
First event is the Headshrinkers (w. Lou Albano and Afa) vs Bam Bam Bigelow and IRS (w. Ted DiBiase).
This was supposed to be a title match, but the Headshrinkers lost the title the night before to Diesel and Shawn Michaels. And that team isn’t wrestling here. I have no idea why they had the Headshrinkers lost the title the night before a PPV. Really stupid booking.
Anyway, this was a decent match. Nothing great but solid, though it have a dumb ending as Afa got caught getting in the ring and attacking Bigelow so Bigelow/IRS win by DQ.
Next match is for the women’s championship: Alundra Blayze (champ) vs. Bull Nakano (w. Luna Vachon).
These two had an entertaining match on Raw a few weeks ago that ended in a double countout. Blayze retains her title here when Nakano misses a senton off the top rope as Blayze gets up, kicks Vachon off the apron, then gets Nakano with the bridging German suplex (which was her finisher) for the win. This was a good match. Unfortunately it didn’t save the women’s division in the WWF.
Next match is for the Intercontinental Title: Diesel (champ) w. Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon w. Walter Payton.
We’re in Chicago, so it makes sense for Razor Ramon to have local sports hero Walter Payton watch his back. Razor had lost the Intercontinental title a few months ago to Diesel thanks in part to interference from Michaels. Shawn Michaels actually wearing the tag team belt during this match was a nice touch, I thought.
This was a good match, thanks in large part to Razor’s efforts. At the end, Diesel is holding Razor, Shawn comes in (the ref is busy with Walter Payton for some reason) and superkicks, but Razor gets out of the way and Diesel is the recipient, and he is out, but Razor also collapses. Razor eventually crawls over to try and cover Diesel. Shawn tries to pull Razor away, but Walter Payton grabs Michaels just in time to prevent it, and Razor covers for the win!
I knew Razor would win because they’re not going to have Diesel walking around with both the tag team belt and the Intercontinental belt for very long, which is another reason I thought it was dumb to have them win the tag team belt just before this PPV.
Next up is Lex Luger vs. Tatanka.
The story here is the Ted Dibiase, who has been forming his Million Dollar Coproration, has been trying to buy Luger’s services. Luger has been insisting that he hasn’t sold out to DiBiase, and Tatanka has been constantly confronting Luger, saying that he thinks Luger has been lying and has sold out to DiBiase. This match promised to hopefully settle the question of whether or not Luger sold out.
After a so-so match of about 6 minutes, Luger gets distracted by DiBiase standing on the apron offering him money, and Tatanka is able to roll Luger up for the pin. Luger then confronts Tatanka, and eventually Tatanka attacks Luger from behind, pounding him. He continues to beat on Luger for a while, then he goes over and hugs DiBiase. The whole thing was a setup! It was Tatanka that had sold out the whole time, not Luger! The match itself was nothing great, but the whole buildup of this story over the past months as well as the final turn here at the end of the match were really well done. Tatanka’s heel turn didn’t amount to much of anything, but at least the turn itself was really well done. I could see being totally surprised by this swerve.
The crowd had been quiet during this match. I think it’s because they didn’t know whom to root for.
Next match is Jeff Jarrett vs. Mabel.
This is being billed as country music vs. Rap.
There was virtually no buildup to this match. They really should have done Jarrett vs. the 1-2-3 Kid, as those two had a bit of a feud going plus it would have been a much better match. Anyway, I know this is a minority opinion, but I thought that this was moderately entertaining, mostly due to double J’s antics. Anyway, double J goes for a sunset flip, but Mabel fights it off and attempts to fall on Jarret but Jarrett moves out of the way and Mabel lands hard, then double J rolls him up with the win. Mabel proves himself a sore loser as he chases Jarrett to the locker room, even though Jarrett won this match totally clean, with no cheating. Should a babyface be doing that?
Next we get Bret Hart (champ) vs. Owen Hart for the WWF Title in a cage match!
The rules here are the you have to climb over or go through the door and get both feet on the floor. No pinfalls or submissions.
This was a great match. So, it is possible to have a great cage match without blood. How about that?
They got a good amount of time, over 30 minutes, to work this, which helped.
There was one spot in here where Bret reverses Owen’s sharpshooter into one of his own which was really cool, but would have been even cooler in a traditional match where submissions actually count. And Owen would have won this match if he’d shaved his head! I don’t know how many times he got over then got pulled back in by his hair.
Bret wins the match when both guys are on the cage wall on the outside, fighting each other and trying to go down, and Owen’s legs get caught in the bars of the cage and Bret is able to drop down for the win.
After the match, Neidhart clotheslines Davey Boy Smith from behind (and his wife Diane takes a bump!) then Neidhardt and Owen lock the cage back up with a chain and padlock that Neidhardt brought with him and proceed to beat on Bret. The Hart brothers and Davey Boy frantically try to climb the cage to get in an help Bret, so Owen keeps knocking them down will the Anvil continues the beatdown. Eventually they get in plus someone gets some bolt cutters and cuts the lock, and Owen and the Anvil leave, resplendent in their dastardly deed!
For the final match, it’s The Undertaker (w/Paul Bearer) vs. The Undertaker aka Underfaker (w/Ted Dibiase).
A lot of prematch ceremony. DiBiase and his Untertaker come out. Paul Bearer brings out a coffin but it’s only got the urn in it. Then, the real Undertaker comes down the aisle. He and the fake undertaker are identically dressed, except that the real Undertaker now has purple highlights where before he had (and the fake Undertaker still has) gray. It will help us to tell them apart during the match, though frankly I think the fake Undertaker’s nearly 3 inches shorter than the real thing. They’re obviously different facially as well, of course, but you really can’t see their faces with their hair covering everything. How do these guys even see what they’re doing?
Anyway, the crowd was quit during this match. I figure it was either because they were drained from the previous match (possible), they didn’t know which Undertaker to root for (possible, I guess, but not likely, since I think they were pretty much all rooting for Bearer’s Undertaker and the purple helped to tell them apart) or because this just wasn’t a very good match (very possible).
Paul Bearer’s Undertaker, the real Undertaker, wins after surviving a Tombstone to deliver two of his own for the pin.
Frankly, this was a lousy, boring match and I think it was a major good by WWF to have this go on last instead of the cage match. I’m not sure what the thinking was there.
The Undertaker sure was involved in some lousy feuds during this era.
A mixed bag, overall. One great match(Hart vs. Hart) some good matches, a couple of mediocre matches, and one bad match (the Undertaker thing, which was, by the way, the co-main event).
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Post by commond on May 20, 2024 15:45:45 GMT -5
The amount of arguments I've had over that cage match would fill a telephone book. I love it. Many people hate it.
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
FWIW, All Japan Women also did some great escape rules cage matches.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on May 20, 2024 19:46:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I love the cage match too. Yes, if you maybe think too much about the escape rules they seem silly, but in the context of the WWF, it works. I just don't like it when they do cage matches with both escape the cage AND pinfalls. Just pick one
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Post by codystarbuck on May 20, 2024 20:50:48 GMT -5
I just watched Summerslam 1994. McMahon’s steroid trial is finally over with him in the clear, and for co-main events we’ve got the brothers Hart battling for the WWF Championship and the Undertaker vs…the Undertaker? There have been a series of vignettes with Leslie Nielson trying to solve the mystery of the Undertaker(s). Uh, okay. The vignettes were mildly amusing (he plays the Frank Drebin character from the Naked Gun movies, essentially) but they are basically breaking kayfabe by trying to pass Leslie Nielson off as “the world’s greatest detective”. Whatever. McMahon and Jerry Lawler on commentary. I don’t know why they couldn’t have Jim Ross and Lawler, but oh well. First event is the Headshrinkers (w. Lou Albano and Afa) vs Bam Bam Bigelow and IRS (w. Ted DiBiase). This was supposed to be a title match, but the Headshrinkers lost the title the night before to Diesel and Shawn Michaels. And that team isn’t wrestling here. I have no idea why they had the Headshrinkers lost the title the night before a PPV. Really stupid booking. Anyway, this was a decent match. Nothing great but solid, though it have a dumb ending as Afa got caught getting in the ring and attacking Bigelow so Bigelow/IRS win by DQ. Next match is for the women’s championship: Alundra Blayze (champ) vs. Bull Nakano (w. Luna Vachon).
These two had an entertaining match on Raw a few weeks ago that ended in a double countout. Blayze retains her title here when Nakano misses a senton off the top rope as Blayze gets up, kicks Vachon off the apron, then gets Nakano with the bridging German suplex (which was her finisher) for the win. This was a good match. Unfortunately it didn’t save the women’s division in the WWF. Next match is for the Intercontinental Title: Diesel (champ) w. Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon w. Walter Payton. We’re in Chicago, so it makes sense for Razor Ramon to have local sports hero Walter Payton watch his back. Razor had lost the Intercontinental title a few months ago to Diesel thanks in part to interference from Michaels. Shawn Michaels actually wearing the tag team belt during this match was a nice touch, I thought. This was a good match, thanks in large part to Razor’s efforts. At the end, Diesel is holding Razor, Shawn comes in (the ref is busy with Walter Payton for some reason) and superkicks, but Razor gets out of the way and Diesel is the recipient, and he is out, but Razor also collapses. Razor eventually crawls over to try and cover Diesel. Shawn tries to pull Razor away, but Walter Payton grabs Michaels just in time to prevent it, and Razor covers for the win! I knew Razor would win because they’re not going to have Diesel walking around with both the tag team belt and the Intercontinental belt for very long, which is another reason I thought it was dumb to have them win the tag team belt just before this PPV. Next up is Lex Luger vs. Tatanka. The story here is the Ted Dibiase, who has been forming his Million Dollar Coproration, has been trying to buy Luger’s services. Luger has been insisting that he hasn’t sold out to DiBiase, and Tatanka has been constantly confronting Luger, saying that he thinks Luger has been lying and has sold out to DiBiase. This match promised to hopefully settle the question of whether or not Luger sold out. After a so-so match of about 6 minutes, Luger gets distracted by DiBiase standing on the apron offering him money, and Tatanka is able to roll Luger up for the pin. Luger then confronts Tatanka, and eventually Tatanka attacks Luger from behind, pounding him. He continues to beat on Luger for a while, then he goes over and hugs DiBiase. The whole thing was a setup! It was Tatanka that had sold out the whole time, not Luger! The match itself was nothing great, but the whole buildup of this story over the past months as well as the final turn here at the end of the match were really well done. Tatanka’s heel turn didn’t amount to much of anything, but at least the turn itself was really well done. I could see being totally surprised by this swerve. The crowd had been quiet during this match. I think it’s because they didn’t know whom to root for. Next match is Jeff Jarrett vs. Mabel.
This is being billed as country music vs. Rap. There was virtually no buildup to this match. They really should have done Jarrett vs. the 1-2-3 Kid, as those two had a bit of a feud going plus it would have been a much better match. Anyway, I know this is a minority opinion, but I thought that this was moderately entertaining, mostly due to double J’s antics. Anyway, double J goes for a sunset flip, but Mabel fights it off and attempts to fall on Jarret but Jarrett moves out of the way and Mabel lands hard, then double J rolls him up with the win. Mabel proves himself a sore loser as he chases Jarrett to the locker room, even though Jarrett won this match totally clean, with no cheating. Should a babyface be doing that? Next we get Bret Hart (champ) vs. Owen Hart for the WWF Title in a cage match! The rules here are the you have to climb over or go through the door and get both feet on the floor. No pinfalls or submissions. This was a great match. So, it is possible to have a great cage match without blood. How about that? They got a good amount of time, over 30 minutes, to work this, which helped. There was one spot in here where Bret reverses Owen’s sharpshooter into one of his own which was really cool, but would have been even cooler in a traditional match where submissions actually count. And Owen would have won this match if he’d shaved his head! I don’t know how many times he got over then got pulled back in by his hair. Bret wins the match when both guys are on the cage wall on the outside, fighting each other and trying to go down, and Owen’s legs get caught in the bars of the cage and Bret is able to drop down for the win. After the match, Neidhart clotheslines Davey Boy Smith from behind (and his wife Diane takes a bump!) then Neidhardt and Owen lock the cage back up with a chain and padlock that Neidhardt brought with him and proceed to beat on Bret. The Hart brothers and Davey Boy frantically try to climb the cage to get in an help Bret, so Owen keeps knocking them down will the Anvil continues the beatdown. Eventually they get in plus someone gets some bolt cutters and cuts the lock, and Owen and the Anvil leave, resplendent in their dastardly deed! For the final match, it’s The Undertaker (w/Paul Bearer) vs. The Undertaker aka Underfaker (w/Ted Dibiase). A lot of prematch ceremony. DiBiase and his Untertaker come out. Paul Bearer brings out a coffin but it’s only got the urn in it. Then, the real Undertaker comes down the aisle. He and the fake undertaker are identically dressed, except that the real Undertaker now has purple highlights where before he had (and the fake Undertaker still has) gray. It will help us to tell them apart during the match, though frankly I think the fake Undertaker’s nearly 3 inches shorter than the real thing. They’re obviously different facially as well, of course, but you really can’t see their faces with their hair covering everything. How do these guys even see what they’re doing? Anyway, the crowd was quit during this match. I figure it was either because they were drained from the previous match (possible), they didn’t know which Undertaker to root for (possible, I guess, but not likely, since I think they were pretty much all rooting for Bearer’s Undertaker and the purple helped to tell them apart) or because this just wasn’t a very good match (very possible). Paul Bearer’s Undertaker, the real Undertaker, wins after surviving a Tombstone to deliver two of his own for the pin. Frankly, this was a lousy, boring match and I think it was a major good by WWF to have this go on last instead of the cage match. I’m not sure what the thinking was there. The Undertaker sure was involved in some lousy feuds during this era. A mixed bag, overall. One great match(Hart vs. Hart) some good matches, a couple of mediocre matches, and one bad match (the Undertaker thing, which was, by the way, the co-main event). Underfaker was Brian Lee, of Smokey Mountain Wrestling and the USWA. Personally he never wowed me in any promotion. He was tall and big, but nowhere near the level of worker that Mark Calloway was, in any of his gimmicks. Jim Ross was not there because he had been fired. Not sure of the exact time of his second firing, that year. Back in February 1994, just after his attack of Bell's Palsy, he was let go by the WWF He worked for Cornette, announcing Smokey Mountain, with former Crockett announcer Bob Caudle, as well as for the Atlanta Falcons. When Vince was indicted, Gorilla monsoon took over announcing Raw, for a few weeks, then Ross was rehired to work with Randy Savage. Then, after Vince was acquitted (more like not convicted, but whatever), JR was let go, again, allegedly for leaking info to the dirtsheets. He went back to Smokey Mountain. Then, they rehired him in December. I don't know whether Vince was bored, JR didn't kiss his ass enough, the financials were that bad or if Vince just wanted to shake things up; but, that was the mess he had, in the announcing, that year. Just as an aside, I always liked Bob Caudle in Mid-Atlantic. He had the right balance between calling the action and selling the storylines, was enthusiastic, favored the babyfaces but not to ridiculous levels and showed respect for the heels. Way better than listening to David Crockett, that's for sure. The only problem with Bob was that he was a legislative assistant to and friends with Senator Jesse Helms.
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Post by driver1980 on May 21, 2024 3:24:25 GMT -5
I just watched Summerslam 1994. McMahon’s steroid trial is finally over with him in the clear, and for co-main events we’ve got the brothers Hart battling for the WWF Championship and the Undertaker vs…the Undertaker? There have been a series of vignettes with Leslie Nielson trying to solve the mystery of the Undertaker(s). Uh, okay. The vignettes were mildly amusing (he plays the Frank Drebin character from the Naked Gun movies, essentially) but they are basically breaking kayfabe by trying to pass Leslie Nielson off as “the world’s greatest detective”. Whatever. McMahon and Jerry Lawler on commentary. I don’t know why they couldn’t have Jim Ross and Lawler, but oh well. First event is the Headshrinkers (w. Lou Albano and Afa) vs Bam Bam Bigelow and IRS (w. Ted DiBiase). This was supposed to be a title match, but the Headshrinkers lost the title the night before to Diesel and Shawn Michaels. And that team isn’t wrestling here. I have no idea why they had the Headshrinkers lost the title the night before a PPV. Really stupid booking. Anyway, this was a decent match. Nothing great but solid, though it have a dumb ending as Afa got caught getting in the ring and attacking Bigelow so Bigelow/IRS win by DQ. Next match is for the women’s championship: Alundra Blayze (champ) vs. Bull Nakano (w. Luna Vachon).
These two had an entertaining match on Raw a few weeks ago that ended in a double countout. Blayze retains her title here when Nakano misses a senton off the top rope as Blayze gets up, kicks Vachon off the apron, then gets Nakano with the bridging German suplex (which was her finisher) for the win. This was a good match. Unfortunately it didn’t save the women’s division in the WWF. Next match is for the Intercontinental Title: Diesel (champ) w. Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon w. Walter Payton. We’re in Chicago, so it makes sense for Razor Ramon to have local sports hero Walter Payton watch his back. Razor had lost the Intercontinental title a few months ago to Diesel thanks in part to interference from Michaels. Shawn Michaels actually wearing the tag team belt during this match was a nice touch, I thought. This was a good match, thanks in large part to Razor’s efforts. At the end, Diesel is holding Razor, Shawn comes in (the ref is busy with Walter Payton for some reason) and superkicks, but Razor gets out of the way and Diesel is the recipient, and he is out, but Razor also collapses. Razor eventually crawls over to try and cover Diesel. Shawn tries to pull Razor away, but Walter Payton grabs Michaels just in time to prevent it, and Razor covers for the win! I knew Razor would win because they’re not going to have Diesel walking around with both the tag team belt and the Intercontinental belt for very long, which is another reason I thought it was dumb to have them win the tag team belt just before this PPV. Next up is Lex Luger vs. Tatanka. The story here is the Ted Dibiase, who has been forming his Million Dollar Coproration, has been trying to buy Luger’s services. Luger has been insisting that he hasn’t sold out to DiBiase, and Tatanka has been constantly confronting Luger, saying that he thinks Luger has been lying and has sold out to DiBiase. This match promised to hopefully settle the question of whether or not Luger sold out. After a so-so match of about 6 minutes, Luger gets distracted by DiBiase standing on the apron offering him money, and Tatanka is able to roll Luger up for the pin. Luger then confronts Tatanka, and eventually Tatanka attacks Luger from behind, pounding him. He continues to beat on Luger for a while, then he goes over and hugs DiBiase. The whole thing was a setup! It was Tatanka that had sold out the whole time, not Luger! The match itself was nothing great, but the whole buildup of this story over the past months as well as the final turn here at the end of the match were really well done. Tatanka’s heel turn didn’t amount to much of anything, but at least the turn itself was really well done. I could see being totally surprised by this swerve. The crowd had been quiet during this match. I think it’s because they didn’t know whom to root for. Next match is Jeff Jarrett vs. Mabel.
This is being billed as country music vs. Rap. There was virtually no buildup to this match. They really should have done Jarrett vs. the 1-2-3 Kid, as those two had a bit of a feud going plus it would have been a much better match. Anyway, I know this is a minority opinion, but I thought that this was moderately entertaining, mostly due to double J’s antics. Anyway, double J goes for a sunset flip, but Mabel fights it off and attempts to fall on Jarret but Jarrett moves out of the way and Mabel lands hard, then double J rolls him up with the win. Mabel proves himself a sore loser as he chases Jarrett to the locker room, even though Jarrett won this match totally clean, with no cheating. Should a babyface be doing that? Next we get Bret Hart (champ) vs. Owen Hart for the WWF Title in a cage match! The rules here are the you have to climb over or go through the door and get both feet on the floor. No pinfalls or submissions. This was a great match. So, it is possible to have a great cage match without blood. How about that? They got a good amount of time, over 30 minutes, to work this, which helped. There was one spot in here where Bret reverses Owen’s sharpshooter into one of his own which was really cool, but would have been even cooler in a traditional match where submissions actually count. And Owen would have won this match if he’d shaved his head! I don’t know how many times he got over then got pulled back in by his hair. Bret wins the match when both guys are on the cage wall on the outside, fighting each other and trying to go down, and Owen’s legs get caught in the bars of the cage and Bret is able to drop down for the win. After the match, Neidhart clotheslines Davey Boy Smith from behind (and his wife Diane takes a bump!) then Neidhardt and Owen lock the cage back up with a chain and padlock that Neidhardt brought with him and proceed to beat on Bret. The Hart brothers and Davey Boy frantically try to climb the cage to get in an help Bret, so Owen keeps knocking them down will the Anvil continues the beatdown. Eventually they get in plus someone gets some bolt cutters and cuts the lock, and Owen and the Anvil leave, resplendent in their dastardly deed! For the final match, it’s The Undertaker (w/Paul Bearer) vs. The Undertaker aka Underfaker (w/Ted Dibiase). A lot of prematch ceremony. DiBiase and his Untertaker come out. Paul Bearer brings out a coffin but it’s only got the urn in it. Then, the real Undertaker comes down the aisle. He and the fake undertaker are identically dressed, except that the real Undertaker now has purple highlights where before he had (and the fake Undertaker still has) gray. It will help us to tell them apart during the match, though frankly I think the fake Undertaker’s nearly 3 inches shorter than the real thing. They’re obviously different facially as well, of course, but you really can’t see their faces with their hair covering everything. How do these guys even see what they’re doing? Anyway, the crowd was quit during this match. I figure it was either because they were drained from the previous match (possible), they didn’t know which Undertaker to root for (possible, I guess, but not likely, since I think they were pretty much all rooting for Bearer’s Undertaker and the purple helped to tell them apart) or because this just wasn’t a very good match (very possible). Paul Bearer’s Undertaker, the real Undertaker, wins after surviving a Tombstone to deliver two of his own for the pin. Frankly, this was a lousy, boring match and I think it was a major good by WWF to have this go on last instead of the cage match. I’m not sure what the thinking was there. The Undertaker sure was involved in some lousy feuds during this era. A mixed bag, overall. One great match(Hart vs. Hart) some good matches, a couple of mediocre matches, and one bad match (the Undertaker thing, which was, by the way, the co-main event). This is one of my least favourite PPVs of that era. The opening tag match was pointless given that the Headshrinkers had lost the tag team titles. At the time, I wondered why the WWF had done what they did. I also thought that in a kayfabe sense, because even heels deserve fairness, Diesel & Shawn Michaels should have defended the belts against IRS and Bam Bam Bigelow, creating probably a more intriguing match. Logically, it makes sense, I feel. Within the context of kayfabe, IRS and Bigelow had been promised a tag team title shot, so why not give them one? (Yes, I realise Diesel would have had to wrestle twice). Blayze vs. Nakano was reasonable, I guess, but the women’s ‘division’ was frustrating back then. It was just one (usually no more than one) opponent at a time fed to Blayze. She and others deserved better. Razor/Diesel was fun - and heated. Lots going on there. I could sense Diesel’s frustration after the match. It told a good story. I did not care about Luger/Tatanka. It was frustrating to think that a year earlier, Luger was challenging for the world title yet here he’s wrestling Tatanka over who has sold out. I could not have cared less. The Tatanka heel turn was effective, I guess. (Luger’s stock plummeted further; at 1995’s SummerSlam, he didn’t even wrestle on the card, instead performing a run in during Diesel vs. King Mabel) Mabel vs. Jeff Jarrett was solid, I have seen far worse bouts. Good commentary, too. I did like the Bret/Owen cage match on its own merits. But I just never felt “escape the cage” rules were conducive to a good match. Seeing Bret and Owen try for falls or submissions within the cage would have made the bout a five-star classic, I’m sure. Instead, and it was the same when Bret and Shawn had a cage match, 95% of the bout is about trying to escape. So it’s great on its own - how could it not be with Bret and Owen involved? - but if I was giving out stars, it’d be 4 stars. Now, to the main event (why did it go on last?). Not sure about the Leslie Nielsen thing, but it was okay. However, the match wasn’t a good one. On paper, it may have sounded fine. Hell, how many comics have we read about doppelgängers battling the heroes? It just didn’t work. It was boring. Expecting this to follow Bret/Owen was akin to the time the WWF expected Chris Jericho/Triple H to follow The Rock/Hogan. I did read once that there were plans for a series of matches between the two Undertakers (what a bleak thought). I also read that one proposed idea was for lightning to strike the ring in the match, “merging” the two Undertakers. Even by the supernatural standards of the character, that would have been bizarre.
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Post by driver1980 on May 21, 2024 3:38:03 GMT -5
Incidentally, this video was released in 1994: Like The History of WrestleMania (also released in 1994), this, as the sleeve shows, showcased some matches from the PPV. Due to Jesse Ventura’s successful lawsuit against the WWF (on videotape royalties), Johnny Polo and Gorilla Monsoon did the commentary for the early matches - and Polo was great! Curiously, the back cover made no mention of 1991, yet some 1991 bouts were included on the tape.
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