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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 13:36:16 GMT -5
Brian Hibbs annual Tilting at Windmills column analyzing sales of comics in the book tradeis out. Sales of comics in the book trade are up about 7.7% (print sales are up across the board in all categories in the book trade, but growth of comic sales outpaced the industry average) However, as Hibbs points out, sales of collected editions/OGN and other books that are the same type sold in the book market (as opposed to periodicals) were down about 8% in the Diamond Direct Market for the same period, so some of the growth in the book market may just be existing customers shifting where they buy their books (the book trade offers much better cusotmer discounts in general than the direct market-look at the price difference between buying a book on Amazon vs. your lcs. Here are the top 20 sellers in the book trade in 2018 and units moved... 19 of the top 20 are geared towards younger readers and Marvel, DC and manga are nowhere ot be seen in the top 20 sellers. Or as Hibbs puts it... and here's authors ranked by sales... These 18 creators represent 58% of all sales in the top 750 sellers in the market. Of these, only Brian K. Vaughan and Robert Kirkman have a significant presence in the direct market. and here's the breakdown of Western publisher s(i.e. non-Manga) by market share... There lots more to tear into and digest (and I have to head to work soon so I won't be able to get into it anytime soon, but the quick impression is that comics as a whole are doing well int he mass market, just not super-hero comics from the big 2, and that comic shops are not carrying the types of books that might bring new customers into the shops because they are in demand (and again why would someone seek out a comic shop and make a special trip when they can buy the books they are interested in in WalMArt, their local grocery store and/or Amazon for less. SO it looks like comics are hale and hearty, it's just that the types of comics that people want now are not the types of comics most of use here grew up on, which is actually no surprise as it's not the late 20th century anymore and many things that appealed in the late 20th century are no longer desirable in the 21st century. -M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 18, 2019 13:41:11 GMT -5
This is exactly what I point too when old fart superhero fans grouse that “kids don’t read comics anymore.” No. Kids don’t read them the same way you did when you were a kid. They clearly still read comics.
Now go yell at some clouds.
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Post by shaxper on May 18, 2019 22:02:34 GMT -5
To be fair, those top authors utterly dominate scholastic book fairs. They have an entirely separate market for hitting an impressionable customer base with less discriminating tastes. My kids own probably five Telgemeier books because who says no to a kid at a book fair? Meanwhile, there were no Marvel Masterworks volumes to be found there. YA has ceased to be a subgenre and has become its own run-away industry.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 23:33:09 GMT -5
To be fair, those top authors utterly dominate scholastic book fairs. They have an entirely separate market for hitting an impressionable customer base with less discriminating tastes. My kids own probably five Telgemeier books because who says no to a kid at a book fair? Meanwhile, there were no Marvel Masterworks volumes to be found there. YA has ceased to be a subgenre and has become its own run-away industry. Scholastic has done well with Marvel at fairs though, with things like Ms.Marvel and Moon Girl leading the way. And Masterworks are probably priced outside the range of an impulse buy at a book fair while the Telgemeier books and Ms. Marvel trades are priced appropriately for that market. Whose going to pay $50 for a reprint of 10 comics that may or may not even tell a complete story when you can get a complete story for $10-15 done in a style that resonates with more kids in that age group? I can easily see parents saying no to a kid at a book fair for a masterworks and telling them pick out something different that costs less (or even , no you can't get that but pick out 2 less expensive books instead). Now if the classic stuff were packaged in a format that could be priced at level where it could be an impulse buy, they might have some success there, but the track record on those types of books works against print runs large enough to overcome economy of scale. Print runs on that stuff are essentially equal to direct market pre-orders plus initial sales to the book market. They print to sell out because they lose money when they have to pay for warehousing on books that don't move after initial orders and those books have a track record of not doing well in reorders after initial orders and the margins are thin to begin with. It's why the vast majority of Marvel's collected editions are not kept in print, but the exception seems to be the stuff like Ms. Marvel and Moon Girl that do sell steadily in the book trade via Scholastic and elsewhere. So yes, Masterworks are not available in Scholastic fairs to compete for dollars, but a) it is not a format/price that would competitive against the the likes of the books that do sell there and b) the track record for sales on those books have shown they are not cost-effective to keep in print because there has not been unmet demand beyond the limited initial print runs. And it is easier/more cost effective to go back to print on the few outliers that have demand exceed supply than it is to overprint them to begin with, so economy of scale works against offering those kind of high ticket items at places like Scholastic fairs. -M
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Post by shaxper on May 18, 2019 23:49:50 GMT -5
To be fair, those top authors utterly dominate scholastic book fairs. They have an entirely separate market for hitting an impressionable customer base with less discriminating tastes. My kids own probably five Telgemeier books because who says no to a kid at a book fair? Meanwhile, there were no Marvel Masterworks volumes to be found there. YA has ceased to be a subgenre and has become its own run-away industry. Scholastic has done well with Marvel at fairs though, with things like Ms.Marvel and Moon Girl leading the way. Marvel books are not getting the kind of shelf space and prominent placement that the YA graphic novels are. I attend scholastic book fairs regularly (two kids attending two different elementary schools), and I can tell you that the Marvel and DC stuff is not being featured anywhere near as prominently. Of course, it is a chicken and egg situation: are Marvel and DC books selling less because of how they are featured, or are they not being featured because they sell less? But yeah, the Pilky and Telegmeier books are basically the centerpiece of these fairs. Figure every elementary school in the country runs a sale like this, and at each one, on average 50 Pilky books and 30 Telegmeier books sell. Just imagine how quickly that adds up.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 23:55:20 GMT -5
Scholastic has done well with Marvel at fairs though, with things like Ms.Marvel and Moon Girl leading the way. Marvel books are not getting the kind of shelf space and prominent placement that the YA graphic novels are. I attend scholastic book fairs regularly (two kids attending two different elementary schools), and I can tell you that the Marvel and DC stuff is not being featured anywhere near as prominently. Of course, it is a chicken and egg situation: are Marvel and DC books selling less because of how they are featured, or are they not being featured because they sell less? But yeah, the Pilky and Telegmeier books are basically the centerpiece of these fairs. Figure every elementary school in the country runs a sale like this, and at each one, on average 50 Pilky books and 30 Telegmeier books sell. Just imagine how quickly that adds up. And how many $50 hardcovers of any sort are offered for sale at those book fairs? -M
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Post by shaxper on May 18, 2019 23:57:26 GMT -5
Marvel books are not getting the kind of shelf space and prominent placement that the YA graphic novels are. I attend scholastic book fairs regularly (two kids attending two different elementary schools), and I can tell you that the Marvel and DC stuff is not being featured anywhere near as prominently. Of course, it is a chicken and egg situation: are Marvel and DC books selling less because of how they are featured, or are they not being featured because they sell less? But yeah, the Pilky and Telegmeier books are basically the centerpiece of these fairs. Figure every elementary school in the country runs a sale like this, and at each one, on average 50 Pilky books and 30 Telegmeier books sell. Just imagine how quickly that adds up. And how many $50 hardcovers of any sort are offered for sale at those book fairs? -M The Masterworks was a facetious throw-away example, my friend.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 0:14:42 GMT -5
And how many $50 hardcovers of any sort are offered for sale at those book fairs? -M The Masterworks was a facetious throw-away example, my friend. But it gets to the heart of the problem-the big 2 are not producing books in formats that will sell in the mass market. This is why there is little to no growth for them, the direct market is shrinking but they are not adjusting their output to appeal to other markets. They are not putting out books that will attract new customers or potential customers who discover the characters in other mediums. They are producing products for long term hardcore fans willing to shell out big bucks for high ticket formats like Masterworks or omnibus, collections of stuff designed to be sold as periodicals that are written to appeal to people who are already familiar with the characters and used to that format of book. Raina's books do just the opposite. They are priced/formatted and written in a way that invites people to discover them and then give them a good experience that makes them seek out more of the same. Marvel and DC really don't do that in any format (though DC has made baby steps in that direction with the Ink and Zoom lines that are taking cues from the types of books that are selling at things like Scholastic fairs and recruiting proven YA sellers to create those books). If they want to succeed in those markets, they have to produce product for that market, not try to foist off products from the direct market in the mass market. Those direct market products have become a niche product for a reason, and it's not because the newsstands went away, it's because they are 20th century products being offered in a 21st century world. Their biggest problem is that they still take their cues from the direct market customer base and make decisions on how to approach the mass market based on the reactions of existing customers in the direct market, and if a line intended for the mass market does poorly or draws complaints form direct market customers, they alter or gut the line before ever giving it a chance to do anything in the mass market. And as long as they continue to do so, their product is going to continue to languish on the fringes of the mass market as far as print products are concerned. When the do produce products in tune with the mass market (like a lot of the early reader books featuring Marvel and DC heroes that sell like gangbusters), they sell, but those are licensed off to other producers to make, it's the stuff actually put out by the big 2 themselves that languishes because it is out of step with the mass market. -M
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 19, 2019 9:12:24 GMT -5
The graph isn't making any sense to me.
In the text Hibbs says that Scholastic is the biggest publisher, but that Andrews Mcneely (who do comic strip reprints, with Big Nate and Phoebe and Her Unicorn) being the big dogs) is second, with more than 600,000 units sold.
On the pie chart DC is second to scholastic with a 10% share, but in the article DC is 8th. not second. And this is a huge, huge, huge drop for them.
Is the pie chart a combination of comic shop and bookstore sales? Or is the pie chart wrong.
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Post by rberman on May 19, 2019 9:21:40 GMT -5
Masterworks are old news. Marvel’s new line is softcover “Epic Collections” of 18 connected issues for $25. It is a compromise solution: Not enough for like me who are trying to get entire longer runs, while being too much for the Scholastic market still.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 19, 2019 10:03:55 GMT -5
Masterworks are old news. Marvel’s new line is softcover “Epic Collections” of 18 connected issues for $25. It is a compromise solution: Not enough for like me who are trying to get entire longer runs, while being too much for the Scholastic market still. 40$ retail, 25 on Amazon.
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Post by rberman on May 19, 2019 10:52:41 GMT -5
Masterworks are old news. Marvel’s new line is softcover “Epic Collections” of 18 connected issues for $25. It is a compromise solution: Not enough for like me who are trying to get entire longer runs, while being too much for the Scholastic market still. 40$ retail, 25 on Amazon. That is nuts. I bet the Scholastic price would be more like the Amazon price.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 19, 2019 21:29:00 GMT -5
Masterworks are old news. Marvel’s new line is softcover “Epic Collections” of 18 connected issues for $25. It is a compromise solution: Not enough for like me who are trying to get entire longer runs, while being too much for the Scholastic market still. For them to sell at the book fairs at school, they need to be under $10. Now the my kids are older I don't see them as much, but in the past the superhero presence at such book fairs was minimal, and it was definitely the wrong stuff.. they would just be random trades of a 'kid friendly' title. If they started making small books with single storylines in they for that price, I think they might sell. To get at what mrp and Shax were discussing.. there's defintely alot to be said for marketing.. stuff gets a little popular, it gets better spots, and people start talking about it.. then it snowballs. That's why a single series can dominate the rankings. Raina Telegaier has been unique IMO for the staying power... almost a whole generation of kids have read those now. Most of that stuff (Diary of a Wimpy kid, Percy Jackson, etc) tends to come and go as new kids find new favorites. Could something from Marvel or DC be that favorite again? maybe... but it would have to be kid accessible both format wise and story telling wise.. everything these days feels the need to start at the beginning of something and watch/read the whole thing... there's a definite barrier on the classic properties because of that... even some manga.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 19, 2019 21:43:03 GMT -5
One other thing of note... I disagree that Manga isn't a factor... it's just that the sales spread out over more volumes... using the Author list....
My Hero Academia is #3.. Amulet is #5, Tokyo Ghoul #6... One Punch Man and Dragon Ball are on there as well. Granted some of those creators have old series that are helping a small bit, but that's probably not all that huge.
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Post by rberman on May 19, 2019 22:16:18 GMT -5
Masterworks are old news. Marvel’s new line is softcover “Epic Collections” of 18 connected issues for $25. It is a compromise solution: Not enough for like me who are trying to get entire longer runs, while being too much for the Scholastic market still. For them to sell at the book fairs at school, they need to be under $10. Now the my kids are older I don't see them as much, but in the past the superhero presence at such book fairs was minimal, and it was definitely the wrong stuff.. they would just be random trades of a 'kid friendly' title. If they started making small books with single storylines in they for that price, I think they might sell. Serveral years ago, Scholastic included a magazine-length floppy of four recent Wolverine stories. The cover was a Cassaday image from Astonishing X-Men, but none of the interior stories were from that run.
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