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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 8, 2019 19:46:03 GMT -5
You can argue the merits of trademark if you choose, but if someone is going to try to make money on a public domain property, they need to understand all the business costs involved, and legal expenses are part of doing business. Too many content creators conflate copyright and trademark, and too many see public domain as free content to exploit to make money without having to actually come up with something. The things is, most of the public domain stuff that is popular enough to exploit in the marketplace will already be being exploited and have active trademarks associated with it. If there are no active trademarks on the property, it means no one has successfully exploited the property in quite some time. Now to play devil's advocate-Conan properties may not have created Conan, but how much did REH do to create a successful market for Conan goods? Would their be a market for new Conan adaptations at all if not for the efforts of the Conan rights holders over the years? No one cared about REH stories as a viable product until the rights holders built a market for those stories through their efforts and investment of resources. I beg to differ, my friend!. The rights to Conan were so cheap that Roy Thomas was ready to pay them out of his own pocket when Marvel got the right to adapt the stories, and that was after the Frazetta covers adorning cheap paperbacks had made Conan a better-known name than, say, Thongor of Lemuria. The rights holders, who inherited them after Howard’s father just gave them away to the family he lived with after becoming a widower and losing his son, did not invest a lot of effort or money into making the character popular. Oh, sure, L. Sprague de Camp tried hard to make Conan his, but that thankfully didn’t work out. Then entities like Paradox bought those rights to exploit them for all they were worth, well after the popularity of the character had been established by the comics and the movies, and although Paradox did apparently invest some money, they are not to be thanked for the character’s fame. That Paradox or anyone else who coughs up enough dough to buy the rights to Conan would defend their trademarks is par for the course. But as you say, trademark and copyright are different things. If someone trademarks “Conan the barbarian” or “Conan the Cimmerian”, then nobody has the right to sell products carrying those names. But as long as a story is not published under a title that is covered by a (tm), then no trademark is impinged. It sucks for the companies that paid good money to buy someone else’s intellectual property (inherited after being bequeathed outside the family), but they should have been expecting that. Howard wrote those stories almost a century ago. His tales are now in the public domain. Through the vagaries of IP law, some entities that had nothing to do either with the creation of these tales or with Howard’s family now control trademarks like “Conan the barbarian” and want to make money out of them; that’s fine, that’s how the system works. But a public domain work can still be published (or adapted) by anybody, and it is a pity that the American public finds itself deprived of these adaptations because a distributor suddenly has cold feet. Maybe the books can be sold in regular bookstores, and not in comic-book shops via Diamond?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 8, 2019 20:08:22 GMT -5
Welllllllll... I look forward to reading Iron Shadows in the Moon, but it looks as if Red nails will definitely not bear comparison to the Marvel version.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 30, 2019 14:15:12 GMT -5
Chimères de fer dans la clarté lunaire (Iron Shadows in the Moon) Adapted from R. E. Howard's short story by Virginie Augustin. An excerpt can be found here (in French). Just like the previous volumes, this book looks beautiful. Oversized, with brilliant colours, a portfolio section and an afterword by Patrice Louinet who gives us some historical background on the story's genesis and its publication in Weird Tales.Augustin's adaptation is lovely. Her rendition and use of Olivia, the sole female character in the story, gives the lady a depth that the original tale didn't quite convey (in Howard's story, Olivia was basically a quasi-helpless damsel in distress) without changing either her lines or her behaviour overmuch; she's not, for example, transformed into an ass-kicking woman warrior the way Zenobia was in Dark Horse's adaptation of The Hour of the Dragon. The art is beautiful and the colours gorgeous. Augustin's rendition of an age-old temple with gloomy rooms is perfectly chilling, evoking both the great age of the place and a Giger-like feeling of organic horror. Outside : Inside (brrr) : This story is also fun. Conan's adventures are of course fraught with violence and terror, but first and foremost they used to be entertaining. (I say "used to", not as a slight to the originals, but because many later adaptations and pastiches would turn out to be depressing stories of doom and gloom. Conan is not a nihilist; usually, in comics, not enough use is made of the "gigantic mirth" supposed to balance his gigantic melancholies.) Adaptation-wise, this story sticks pretty closely to the original, much to my delight. I don't begrudge writers who decide to give their personal slant to an adaptation, provided that what they produce is at least as interesting as the original (even if in different ways); I even applaud skewed adaptations that end up being better than the original, as was the case with The Frost Giant's Daughter. However, change for change's sake grates my nerves, and several books in this series made modifications that were either unnecessary or downright detrimental. This does not happen here, though! I liked, for example, how the final exchange between the two main protagonists is just slightly updated for our modern sensibilities. In the original, it reads while here it goes like this : How does this adaptation compare with Marvel's (in Savage Sword of Conan #4) and Dark Horse's (in Conan the Cimmerian #22-25)? Quite well, quite well! I am not sure that anything can take the place that the first adaptation holds in my heart, as the context plays a role in how we remember a story... and there is one particular image in Marvel's version, in which Conan and Olivia's small rowboat travels on the Vilayet sea at night, that is hauntingly beautiful (great work by Buscema and Alacala). But Augustin's version has nothing to apologize for, and is in the same league as its precursors. It gives us the best of the three versions of the lost island's temple, the most unsettling version of its iron statues, and the most heart-rending depiction of Olivia's humiliation as a slave in Shah Amurath's court. (The image is definitely for adults only. Click at your peril.) Definitely one of the best book to date in this series!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 30, 2019 14:32:15 GMT -5
Les clous rouges (Red Nails) Adapted from R. E. Howard's short story by Régis Hautière (script), Olivier Vatine (storyboards) and Didier Cassegrain (art). An excerpt can be found here . This was an impossibly tall order, perhaps. Red Nails is considered one of the best Conan stories of them all, and its adaptation in the pages of Savage Tales #2 and 3 is considered one of the best works Barry Windsor-Smith ever did in comics. How do you top that? How do you even compete? This book does not manage the impossible, but it is still a pretty good effort. The art is a little on the cartoony side, but the rendition of a time-lost city with an ancient Pre-Columbian feel is particularly well handled; this is a place that looks ancient, creepy, but most of all real. Very good job. The sense of design of the artist is to be lauded; from clothes to headdresses, everything looks suitably and intriguingly exotic. The action scenes are also beautifully choreographed and executed. The one misstep I find in this work is its attempt to, shall we say, modernize the tone of the original when it comes to relations between Conan and Valeria, the main female character. Valeria was created by Howard as a free spirit, a person who didn't accept the age-old definition of how a woman should lead her life. She wanted to lead the life she chose, that of a pirate and mercenary soldier. Nevertheless, she was adamant in preserving her virginity, not turning her back on her society's morality views on such matters; sort of like a Hyborian Joan of Arc, she wanted to make war, not love. (Another of Howard's sword women, Agnes de Chastillon, had pretty much the same attitude, and Red Sonya of Rogatino was cut from the same cloth, with an added love of strong drink and merrymaking). So far so good. In Howard's Red Nails, such a character can't leave Conan indifferent, and when after some off-screen shenanigans Valeria must run away from mercenary barracks after having slain an officer with long fingers and a lecherous attitude, the Cimmerian follows her... with the clear intention of convincing her of bedding him. From their initial meeting in the prose tale and throughout the story, there is a strong sexual tension between the two, because the lady is not completely insensitive to the barbarian's rough gallantry, but intends to remain her own woman. Said sexual tension is one of the major points that make Red Nails the work it is, in my opinion. Here, the adaptation simply turns Valeria into a modern woman. She's a pirate and a warrior and nobody bats an eye, as if it was as normal in the Hyborian age as it would be today. Conan does politely mention his interest in her as the story opens, but instead of hitting on her so unsubtly that she almost stabs him for it (as happened in the original), he maintains a PC attitude. Her statement that she prefers to choose her own lovers, and his acceptance of the fact, might be a proper exchange nowadays... but it just kills the sexual tension between the two. Due to that fact, the story's end has a completely different tone despite using the same dialog as the original: instead of getting Valeria and Conan to finally break the tension and getting it on, this adaptation suggests they're just forming a business partnership, like so many Laurels and Hardys. Yes, it's less offensive than James Bond changing someone's sexuality... but it's also rather bland. More appropriate for a PG-13 movie than for Weird Tales. The book also skips a few scenes and alters others; Valeria whipping a slave girl (too close to S&M?) or the killing of the humanoid monster known as The Reptile are simply dropped. One friendly character is also turned into a traitor, so that the adaptation can conflate two scenes and save time. (It works, actually). No big deal, but the overall story feels a bit too short; it's as if we go straight from the setting-up part to the climax with nothing in the middle. I doubt I'd have noticed had I not been familiar with the original (this book stands really well on its own, my comments notwithstanding), but old Red Nails readers might wonder why they don't get the story they know. All in all, and considering the very high standards that this adaptation had to meet, it's quite a successful attempt. People reading this tale here for the first time will have a great time and this this is a beautiful book.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 4, 2020 19:44:23 GMT -5
I didn't see it at the shop earlier(maybe Diamond is still boycotting?) but I just saw The Cimmerian: Queen of the Black Coast on comixology!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 22:45:52 GMT -5
I didn't see it at the shop earlier(maybe Diamond is still boycotting?) but I just saw The Cimmerian: Queen of the Black Coast on comixology! I preorderd it through my shop (it was listed int he Diamond catalog), but it was not listed among the books arriving for me this week in the e-mail from my shop, so who knows what's happening with physical copies. -M
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 5, 2020 6:50:50 GMT -5
I didn't see it at the shop earlier(maybe Diamond is still boycotting?) but I just saw The Cimmerian: Queen of the Black Coast on comixology! I preorderd it through my shop (it was listed int he Diamond catalog), but it was not listed among the books arriving for me this week in the e-mail from my shop, so who knows what's happening with physical copies. -M Glad I got it digitally then. As RR said in his earlier review there's nothing here that tops the earlier Dark Horse version tough I think I did enjoy it a tiny bit more than the original Marvel version because I really enjoyed the art here. The horse chase scene was great and I loved the serpent. So far I only have the first half, looks like the American versions are splitting up each gn into two issues. Hopefully these do well as I'd love to see more.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Mar 26, 2020 15:56:01 GMT -5
I loved the conclusion, the slightly cartoony look worked really well with the flying monkey monster.
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Post by lordyam on Mar 28, 2020 23:39:48 GMT -5
Honestly I don’t mind Conan being more aware. By modern standards his attitude can be kinda creepy
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 31, 2020 13:28:41 GMT -5
Le peuple du cercle noir (The People of the Black Circle) Adapted from R.E. Howard’s story by Sylvain Runberg (script), Park Jae Kwang (line art) and Ooshima Hiroyuki with Alessia Nocera and Éloïse de la Maison (colors). Eighth volume in this collection, this one is written by Sylvain Runberg, whose series Conquests was the closest I’ve read to a proper Robert E. Howard story in more than a decade, for all that it was not based on Howard’s work. This new Conan book therefore starts under good auspices. By and large, it succeeds as a fantasy-adventure story. As with the previous volumes, production quality is high (large format, great colours)… but just as with most previous volumes, I remained somewhat underwhelmed as a Conan fan. It should be pointed out again: the aim of this series is to present different creators’ interpretation of Conan; as such, it may be unfair on my part to expect them to stick more closely to the Howardian tales. At the same time, Howard was truly a master storyteller; any change should be motivated by more than just a lark. The Frost Giant’s Daughter adaptation, which was published last year, took the Howard story and recreated it from the ground up, providing a truly unique vision. Here, The People of the Black Circle is just a straight adaptation with several unnecessary (and sometimes superfluous, or even wrong) changes. I guess the writer thought these changes would enhance the story somehow, but as far as I'm concerned they don't. Case in point, the opening sequence here is a battle scene that is not included in the original yarn. I suppose it is meant to establish Conan as a powerful warrior, and to provide information about a later plot point; but both are superfluous, since Conan will be established as a powerful warrior later on (and how!), and the later plot point does not need to be introduced early. Why the scene is detrimental is that it puts Conan right in the centre of things (once again), making his world look that much smaller. Several characters refer to Conan as a Cimmerian... which they don't in Howard's tale. They don't, because people back then didn't have Google Earth and in distant places like Vendhya, nobody had ever heard of Cimmeria. Just like Indians in the XII century would not have recognized a Welshman on sight. Conan claims at one point that Cimmerians don't fear wizards and magic. Oy, vey... We don't need Conan's people to be a race of supermen. They're tough enough as is. And in the original stories, Conan was very wary of tangling with magic; such a trait made him more human. Oh, well. The art by Park Jae Wang has a very strong animé flavour to it. I personally don’t care for that type of art, but there’s no doubt that the man is quite an accomplished artist. It’s just that when it comes to Conan, I’m not partial to characters jumping twenty feet into the air to shoot an arrow, or to sword strokes that cut six people at once, or to shoulders six feet wide. One of the things that make Conan’s adventures work, in my opinion, is how grounded in reality Howard made them; for all that they involve wizards and demons, they feel like they happen in a real, prehistorical world. People never jumped twenty feet into the air, no matter at what point in history. (I have the same problem with fantasy swords and armor, of which this book is thankfully devoid). As in a typical animé feature, most characters look very European, even if the story is set in Vendhya (the Hyborian Age equivalent of India). The Devi Yasmina, the main female character in the tale, looked more the part in Savage Sword of Conan #16; here; while definitely beautiful, she looks like a British lady. That's her below on the bottom left corner. Some designs in the book look very good indeed; here, for example, are the fours acolytes of the Master of Yimsha. A classic and elegant look. Here’s their boss, below right, and I like that mandarin-like look far better than the traditional hooded robe worn by countless wizards in Conan stories). More nice designs below, as far as temples go: this book sure looks nice even if I'm not much into Naruto. Storytelling-wise, the art can sometimes be a little confusing… it can be hard to figure out just what is going on, despite the heavy overuse of captions. Wait, is Conan ripping out the eye of a giant serpent or is he handling a magical globe? Is that particular hooded character the master of Yimsha himself, or a mummy that took his place? Is that flying stuff supposed to be stylized snow or stylized fog? It’s not hard to figure out, mind you, but the reader shouldn’t have to in the first place; both Buscema’s and Olivetti’s earlier adaptations of the same tale were very clear. As with the previous titles, we are also treated to a text piece by Patrice Louinet and to a handful of pin-ups by assorted artists. One is particularly ugly (Conan the barbarian goth emo dude), but hey... It's a different take, I suppose.)All in all, it remains a good book, and a first-time reader of The People of the Black Circle would doubtless be very with it. I do not regret my purchase, which is kind of damning with faint praise, but I can't help thinking that most books in this series would have benefitted from a slightly stronger editorial hand.
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 31, 2020 13:48:18 GMT -5
The art there doesn't do a whole lot for me, I wonder if this will get an English translation or not? They don't appear to be going in the same order.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 24, 2020 18:28:21 GMT -5
Les clous rouges (Red Nails) Adapted from R. E. Howard's short story by Régis Hautière (script), Olivier Vatine (storyboards) and Didier Cassegrain (art). An excerpt can be found here . Wow, I loved the art here! The dinosaur look to the dragon was really fantastic and the scope of the city was stunning. I can't wait to get the second half.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 18, 2020 13:37:39 GMT -5
I just finished reading Red Nails and I have to say this was by far my favorite version. I loved the art, the characters looked great and the city itself was simply amazing.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 18, 2020 17:38:11 GMT -5
I just finished reading Red Nails and I have to say this was by far my favorite version. I loved the art, the characters looked great and the city itself was simply amazing. Was The Frost Giant's Daughter translated already? As far as I'm concerned that's an absolute masterpiece.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 18, 2020 19:04:04 GMT -5
I just finished reading Red Nails and I have to say this was by far my favorite version. I loved the art, the characters looked great and the city itself was simply amazing. Was The Frost Giant's Daughter translated already? As far as I'm concerned that's an absolute masterpiece. So far they've only released Queen of the Black Coast and Red Nails so far but I'm looking forward to the Frost Giant's Daughter as that's one of my favorite Conan stories.
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