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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 14:14:16 GMT -5
If true I don't see this as a bad thing. DC but mostly Marvel have flooded the market with mediocre titles. I would rather see less titles with top notch stories than a lot of crap. I do feel bad for the creators since it will be harder for them to find work.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 20, 2019 17:49:08 GMT -5
If true I don't see this as a bad thing. DC but mostly Marvel have flooded the market with mediocre titles. I would rather see less titles with top notch stories than a lot of crap. I do feel bad for the creators since it will be harder for them to find work. I'm kind of torn on this. Sure, it will be harder for them to find work AT THE BIG TWO. Fewer titles, fewer jobs. That said, if they are truly a CREATOR and have their own story to tell, there are plenty of avenues with independents for them to get their work out there doing their thing rather than the 37th reboot of a Wolverine solo title. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 18:54:04 GMT -5
If true I don't see this as a bad thing. DC but mostly Marvel have flooded the market with mediocre titles. I would rather see less titles with top notch stories than a lot of crap. I do feel bad for the creators since it will be harder for them to find work. I'm kind of torn on this. Sure, it will be harder for them to find work AT THE BIG TWO. Fewer titles, fewer jobs. That said, if they are truly a CREATOR and have their own story to tell, there are plenty of avenues with independents for them to get their work out there doing their thing rather than the 37th reboot of a Wolverine solo title. However most creators start at DC or Marvel to get noticed (& pay the bills) before being able to launch their own creator based titles. Robert Kirkman was one of the few exceptions and even he did some work at Marvel. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:46:50 GMT -5
I'm kind of torn on this. Sure, it will be harder for them to find work AT THE BIG TWO. Fewer titles, fewer jobs. That said, if they are truly a CREATOR and have their own story to tell, there are plenty of avenues with independents for them to get their work out there doing their thing rather than the 37th reboot of a Wolverine solo title. However most creators start at DC or Marvel to get noticed (& pay the bills) before being able to launch their own creator based titles. Robert Kirkman was one of the few exceptions and even he did some work at Marvel. Actually most start at a smaller publisher doing work for hire at a small page rate or self-publishing where thee is little money to be made to get noticed by an editor at Marvel and DC and prove they can make deadlines, then go to Marvel/Dc and build a larger fan base while getting better page rates, and then once they have a fan base that will follow them and have built up enough of a savings to go without a page rate for a while (or a large enough market for their original art and commissions to make money without page rates), move to creator-owned stuff where there is no page but a larger pay off on the back end if it sells. Very few creators break in at Marvel or DC since neither takes unsolicited submissions (too many potential legal pitfalls if you read someone's stuff and have similar stories/characters/ideas these days where IP is supreme), you have to be asked to pitch a story or submit art samples and there is nowhere to do anything to prove you can meet a monthly deadline and neither is hiring untested artists. Most of those invites from Marvel/DC editorial come because an editor saw their small press or small publisher stuff and made contact. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:59:56 GMT -5
However most creators start at DC or Marvel to get noticed (& pay the bills) before being able to launch their own creator based titles. Robert Kirkman was one of the few exceptions and even he did some work at Marvel. Actually most start at a smaller publisher doing work for hire at a small page rate or self-publishing where thee is little money to be made to get noticed by an editor at Marvel and DC and prove they can make deadlines, then go to Marvel/Dc and build a larger fan base while getting better page rates, and then once they have a fan base that will follow them and have built up enough of a savings to go without a page rate for a while (or a large enough market for their original art and commissions to make money without page rates), move to creator-owned stuff where there is no page but a larger pay off on the back end if it sells. Very few creators break in at Marvel or DC since neither takes unsolicited submissions (too many potential legal pitfalls if you read someone's stuff and have similar stories/characters/ideas these days where IP is supreme), you have to be asked to pitch a story or submit art samples and there is nowhere to do anything to prove you can meet a monthly deadline and neither is hiring untested artists. Most of those invites from Marvel/DC editorial come because an editor saw their small press or small publisher stuff and made contact. -M Pretty much what I said in a slightly different way and granted not as much detail. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 20:07:58 GMT -5
Actually most start at a smaller publisher doing work for hire at a small page rate or self-publishing where thee is little money to be made to get noticed by an editor at Marvel and DC and prove they can make deadlines, then go to Marvel/Dc and build a larger fan base while getting better page rates, and then once they have a fan base that will follow them and have built up enough of a savings to go without a page rate for a while (or a large enough market for their original art and commissions to make money without page rates), move to creator-owned stuff where there is no page but a larger pay off on the back end if it sells. Very few creators break in at Marvel or DC since neither takes unsolicited submissions (too many potential legal pitfalls if you read someone's stuff and have similar stories/characters/ideas these days where IP is supreme), you have to be asked to pitch a story or submit art samples and there is nowhere to do anything to prove you can meet a monthly deadline and neither is hiring untested artists. Most of those invites from Marvel/DC editorial come because an editor saw their small press or small publisher stuff and made contact. -M Pretty much what I said in a slightly different way and granted not as much detail. Guys can be in the industry 5-10 years (or longer) before they get noticed by Marvel or DC and invited to submit, that's not quite getting started at Marvel or DC, and your statement read that they break in to the industry with Marvel and DC before moving to an indy publisher, Marvel and DC are a middle step, not a starting point. I doubt it would take you more than one hand's worth of fingers to count the number of creators who broke in to the industry with Marvel or DC without working at indies first in the last 25 years. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 20:22:48 GMT -5
Pretty much what I said in a slightly different way and granted not as much detail. Guys can be in the industry 5-10 years (or longer) before they get noticed by Marvel or DC and invited to submit, that's not quite getting started at Marvel or DC, and your statement read that they break in to the industry with Marvel and DC before moving to an indy publisher, Marvel and DC are a middle step, not a starting point. I doubt it would take you more than one hand's worth of fingers to count the number of creators who broke in to the industry with Marvel or DC without working at indies first in the last 25 years. -M Point taken. Most do indie work first but how many readers notice them.
So how many get their names recognized by only doing indie work without doing some work at DC or Marvel?
How many creators go right to creator owned comics first (besides Kirkman) without FIRST building a name at DC or Marvel?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 20:42:55 GMT -5
Guys can be in the industry 5-10 years (or longer) before they get noticed by Marvel or DC and invited to submit, that's not quite getting started at Marvel or DC, and your statement read that they break in to the industry with Marvel and DC before moving to an indy publisher, Marvel and DC are a middle step, not a starting point. I doubt it would take you more than one hand's worth of fingers to count the number of creators who broke in to the industry with Marvel or DC without working at indies first in the last 25 years. -M Point taken. Most do indie work first but how many readers notice them.
So how many get their names recognized by only doing indie work without doing some work at DC or Marvel?
How many creators go right to creator owned comics first (besides Kirkman) without FIRST building a name at DC or Marvel?
started in indies and built a fanbase and did something creator-owned before working at Marvel or DC... Bendis Warren Ellis Alan Moore Jeff Lemire Kieron Gillen Ed Brubaker Greg Rucka Jason Aaron Michael Lark Steve Epting Mike Baron Steve Rude Scott Snyder Greg Capullo Declan Shalvey Greg Smallwood Pat Zircher Garth Ennis Matt Wagner Brian Azzarello and on and on and on and on... -M |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 20:47:29 GMT -5
Point taken. Most do indie work first but how many readers notice them.
So how many get their names recognized by only doing indie work without doing some work at DC or Marvel?
How many creators go right to creator owned comics first (besides Kirkman) without FIRST building a name at DC or Marvel?
started in indies and built a fanbase and did something creator-owned before working at Marvel or DC... Bendis Warren Ellis Alan Moore Jeff Lemire Kieron Gillen Ed Brubaker Greg Rucka Jason Aaron Michael Lark Steve Epting Mike Baron Steve Rude Scott Snyder Greg Capullo Declan Shalvey Greg Smallwood Pat Zircher Garth Ennis Matt Wagner Brian Azzarello and on and on and on and on... -M corrected. Get it? I'm sitting at my computer not standing...? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 23:00:14 GMT -5
That's really too bad, Snagglepuss was seriously one of the best books DC has put out in a while. In ten years time when the Classic Comics Christmas theme is Favorite Funny Animal Books I'll gladly nominate it as number one and physically fight anyone who doesn't have it at least in their top five. I must admit this makes me feel like checking out if there’s a trade paperback of the series somewhere! Exit stage left! came out August of 2018, and avail on Amazon for $11 new (with prime shipping), and as cheap as $6 (+4 shipping) used. very worth it, and an EXCELLENT book |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 11:13:20 GMT -5
Didio at Comics Pro today told retailers DC will be reducing its output by 10-15% to a number they better feel the market can bear and that Diamond is distributing too many comics to the market diluting individual issue sales (a comment seemingly pointed at Marvel without mentioning them by name. He explicitly denied the number 22 as to the number of titles they will publish. So truth to the gist of the rumor but the details were a bit off.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 22, 2019 23:00:25 GMT -5
Didio at Comics Pro today told retailers DC will be reducing its output by 10-15% to a number they better feel the market can bear and that Diamond is distributing too many comics to the market diluting individual issue sales (a comment seemingly pointed at Marvel without mentioning them by name. He explicitly denied the number 22 as to the number of titles they will publish. So truth to the gist of the rumor but the details were a bit off. -M I'll never get denying a rumor on one day only to basically confirm it the next. If it's just the principle of selling the message your own way why not just remain silent ? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 12:42:35 GMT -5
I have posted this before... I feel DC & Marvel will eventually be only a few franchise titles similar to DC's Walmart model. For DC - Superman, Batman, Justice League. And Marvel - Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers. Maybe a few others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 14:12:35 GMT -5
I have posted this before... I feel DC & Marvel will eventually be only a few franchise titles similar to DC's Walmart model. For DC - Superman, Batman, Justice League. And Marvel - Spider-Man, X-Men, Avengers. Maybe a few others. I'll go one further and predict that WB and Disney will merge. And we'll get an annual Superman/Spidey team-up for years to come!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 2:22:25 GMT -5
Of course, at the same time WB is pulling the plug on adult HB comics at DC, we get news of a Banana Splits revival movie at SyFy that is a horror film and portrays the Splits are kid killers... AV Clubsigh... -M I heard of this and this is one of the reason that I don't watch anything on SyFy anymore. This is the stupidest thing that I ever heard period. Sorry Everyone and this coming from you and this makes me very sad; and the rotten treatment of a beloved kid show that I like so well as a Kid. mrp, I'm shaking my head in disbelief reading this thread for the first time and all that. |
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