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Post by electricmastro on Apr 15, 2020 18:50:53 GMT -5
Lightbright from Silver Sable and the Wild Pack #19 and 21 (1993-1994) definitely caught my attention: Yeah, but is she especially attractive to the other characters in the comics that she appears in? That's what this thread is asking for. Not just which comic character you thought was hot. I’d say yes. Despite not having particularly made too many appearances, of the appearances she has made, they’re littered like characters making expressive, as if mesmerized, reactions to her.
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 19, 2020 10:52:57 GMT -5
Original Black Widow - Marvel Comics Years back I realized that many (if not most) artists base characters on real people... but, with artists who have simpler, "cartoony" styles, that may not always be obvious.
I've managed to identify quite a few of the characters in DON HECK's run of IRON MAN. It was the day I saw the film ARABESQUE (probably on TCM) that I realized that Don based Natasha on Sophia Loren.
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Post by Farrar on Apr 19, 2020 12:28:21 GMT -5
^^^^ Yep, I've long thought that too...and it's evident from the start with Natasha's debut in ToS #52
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Post by shaxper on Apr 19, 2020 12:45:58 GMT -5
I'm sure it's already been said somewhere in 10 pages of discussion, but Marvel's Enchantress isn't just easy on the eyes, she's an actual mythological goddess of desire. That should trump pretty much everyone else.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 19, 2020 14:07:30 GMT -5
I can’t believe it but the Enchantress hasn’t been mentioned at all. She used her looks and her body as well. I read a Thor book that had her giving sex to a ugly troll for some power or something.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 19, 2020 14:49:16 GMT -5
I can’t believe it but the Enchantress hasn’t been mentioned at all. She used her looks and her boat as well. I read a Thor book that had her giving sex to a ugly troll for some power or something. *ahem* First page of this thread...
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 19, 2020 14:51:09 GMT -5
I can’t believe it but the Enchantress hasn’t been mentioned at all. She used her looks and her boat as well. I read a Thor book that had her giving sex to a ugly troll for some power or something. *ahem* First page of this thread...Oops. I quickly looked for a picture
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 19, 2020 21:55:39 GMT -5
Like many of Jack Kirby's characters (or versions of mythical characters), The Enchantress started out great but then got watered down over the years in too many inferior stories. When I first read her debut story, I was quite surprised and taken by her. Loki used her for his own ends (as always), but in her case, she got involved because she already had a big crush on Thor, was frustrated that he'd ignored her, and decided to take the opportunity to see if she could get him. But it didn't work out. Meanwhile, The Executioner had a thing for HER... and deeply resented her having a crush on Thor... and so, he decided to kill Thor, in the hopes he could then impress her, once his "rival" was out of the way. Thor, of course, had no interest in any of this.
This is "REAL WORLD" stuff here, not "comic-book" type plotting.
When Odin BANISHED both The Enchantress and The Executioner to Earth, it was really a come-down for both of them, especially when the got recruited by Baron Zemo (an escaped Nazi war criminal). For a pair of Asgardian immortals to be reduced to being HENCHMAN for a criminal fascist... what a shame. With regard to "attractive"... about 20 years ago, when I was a member of KLORDNY (the LSH a.p.a.), a friend of mine in the group, who happened to be GAY, told me that HE found The Entrantress to be "attractive". That always cracked me up.
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Post by profh0011 on Apr 19, 2020 22:09:05 GMT -5
Regarding Natasha... because of the manner so many characters & stories were created back then, it sometimes remains a bit of a mystery exactly HOW MUCH was done by WHO.
Pretty much the entire run of IRON MAN in SUSPENSE from #39 all the way up to #72 (Mar'63-Dec'65) you tended to have 3 writers working on any given episode. That's right-- 3 !!!
The general rule of thumb back then is... is JACK KIRBY drew the covers, JACK KIRBY created the villains who appeared in that issue, and without doubt came up with the general story idea, which he passed onto his editor.
DON HECK wrote the stories based on those ideas.
A variety of others (but, mostly, the editor) supplied the dialogue.
The one exception, which has caused some speculation over the years, in SUSPENSE #57, because ineplicably, no one has ever seen a Jack Kirby cover or sketch for that issue. Which may explain why Sol Brodsky assembled a cover from INTERIOR panels all drawn by DON HECK. ("Hawkeye The Marksman") However, since Kirby did a western comic called "BULLSEYE" about a bow-and-arrow character in the early 50s, it seems likely that Hawkeye was his idea, as well.
Oddly enough, I tend to think of Heck's style as more "illustrative" as opposed to Kirby's "cartoony", so Heck's people, while still drawn very simply, tended to look more "real" than Kirby's, and his likenesses to real people are often more obvious (as in the case of Errol Flynn, Nat Pendleton, Sophia Loren, and-- possibly-- Doug McClure).
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Post by tonebone on Sept 18, 2020 13:44:05 GMT -5
Sundra Peale from Nexus, as drawn by Rude.
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Post by Confessor on Sept 18, 2020 17:43:33 GMT -5
Sundra Peale from Nexus, as drawn by Rude. This thread isn't about artists though. It's about fictional characters who are regarded by the other fictional characters in their stories as being extremely good looking. Which artist is actually drawing said character is irrelevant to this thread. I dunno, maybe Saundra Peale still counts and is genuinely regarded as being more beautiful than most other people in her comic, but then that would be the case whether Rude is drawing her or not. It's not about the art, it's about the character.
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Post by profh0011 on Sept 20, 2020 21:54:34 GMT -5
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Post by berkley on Sept 23, 2020 2:03:45 GMT -5
Speaking of mythological characters, it just occurred to me that in the Norse myths Balder is known for being the most beautiful of the gods but I don't remember this ever being taken up in the Marvel version except for Karnilla's personal attraction to him. Kirby's design made him more of a stalwart soldier type, with rather nondescript, greyish armour helmet, altogether one of his least impressive character-designs, IMO; and I don't recall other characters commenting on his looks, etc - again, apart from Karnilla in those early stories, in which her scheming to gain his attentions was an ongoing sub-plot.
And come to think of it - Norse myth, that is - Freya was supposed to be the most beautiful of goddesses, but for some reason she was never made a character in Marvel's Asgard, unless they've got round to it in more recent years.
Generally speaking, I think if the gods and goddesses are taken as fictional characters, whether in comics or in other media, they should be portrayed as "larger than life" in their beauty as well as in every other way - not necessarily an easy thing to do for an artist or a writer, but that's the task they've taken on. And one of the most straightforward, and therefore indispensable, ways to do this is to show how mortal characters react to them (to bring it back to the thread's question). Some writers pay attention to this obvious detail but all too many seem to think it unnecessary or perhaps even to be unaware of it altogether.
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Post by Dizzy D on Sept 23, 2020 3:01:28 GMT -5
Speaking of mythological characters, it just occurred to me that in the Norse myths Balder is known for being the most beautiful of the gods but I don't remember this ever being taken up in the Marvel version except for Karnilla's personal attraction to him. Kirby's design made him more of a stalwart soldier type, with rather nondescript, greyish armour helmet, altogether one of his least impressive character-designs, IMO; and I don't recall other characters commenting on his looks, etc - again, apart from Karnilla in those early stories, in which her scheming to gain his attentions was an ongoing sub-plot. And come to think of it - Norse myth, that is - Freya was supposed to be the most beautiful of goddesses, but for some reason she was never made a character in Marvel's Asgard, unless they've got round to it in more recent years. Generally speaking, I think if the gods and goddesses are taken as fictional characters, whether in comics or in other media, they should be portrayed as "larger than life" in their beauty as well as in every other way - not necessarily an easy thing to do for an artist or a writer, but that's the task they've taken on. And one of the most straightforward, and therefore indispensable, ways to do this is to show how mortal characters react to them (to bring it back to the thread's question). Some writers pay attention to this obvious detail but all too many seem to think it unnecessary or perhaps even to be unaware of it altogether.
Freya is a bit of weird thing in the Marvel Universe. Her role is in the MU almost competely filled by her daughter Idunn, who in the MU is Frey's sister instead of niece.
The name Freyja is also often used in the MU as another name for Odin's wife Frigga.
And to make things more complicated: - Bill Mantlo actually used the mythological Freya in a story as a seperate character from both Frigga and Idunn. - There was one mini-series where Amora the Enchantress revealed herself to be Freya, but I believe that was not in regular continuity.
tldr version: Marvel never stuck really close to the mythological versions.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 23, 2020 6:25:27 GMT -5
I don't think anyone mentioned the Black Knight. He was in a serious love triangle with Sersi and Crystal. He must have had something going on.
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