The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41

Icctrombone Fortress of Solitude member Posts: 22,728	The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41 Apr 7, 2018 23:52:53 GMT -5 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Icctrombone on Apr 7, 2018 23:52:53 GMT -5 I might have read most of those Events but even if a person didn't, it was written in a way that anyone could jump on.
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The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41 Apr 8, 2018 21:15:47 GMT -5

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Thoughts on things I didn't vote for/nominate...

49 Superman 423/Action 583 I read these shortly after they came out (I found them lingering on a spinner rack at a drug store when I was visiting my grandparents in Maine the summer after they had come out). It was a nice nod to Silver Age Superman, but I much preferred the pre-Weisenger version of Man of Steel I had read in Superman from the 30s-80s and was enjoying the post-Crisis Superman at the time, so it never stood out for me or resonated for me the way it did for others. It was a tribute to something I had no fondness for, so it was just the quality of Moore's story that attracted me to it. I still like it, but again not as much as many comic fans seem to as nostalgia ha no factor in my reaction to it.

49. Astonishing X-Men-I liked not loved these and felt Cassaday's art was the main draw.

45. Magik-I've tried reading this mini like 2-3 times but have never gotten through it.

45. Hellboy Wolves of St. August-love me some Hellboy, and really dig this story, but I read all of the stuff in trade over a period of about a month, so it feels more line 1 long story than individual arcs, so I hadn't considered any of the pieces on their own for this event.

45. Winter Soldier-this wasn't my first encounter with Brubaker's stuff-I had read some of his Batman stuff and his indy book The Fall with Jason Lutes previously, but this is the series that made me a Brubaker fan and I have followed his work since (except his X-Men stuff which left me cold).

44. Iron Man Armor Wars-When I got back into comics in high school, Iron Man was a series I wanted to follow as it was a childhood favorite. I read it for a while, but dropped it a few issues into this storyline because I just didn't dig it and there were other things I wanted to spend my limited budget on.

43. Avengers/Defenders-I really dug this story when I first started collecting Avengers-it was the first major storyline I had gotten all the issues as back issues and read, and reading Englehart's comments on his run in the Fantaco Avengers Chronicles fanzine had gotten me hyped to read this. The art was disappointing (I found Bob Brown, like Don Heck, to lack a certain dynamism and as a result to be visually dull) and most of my fondness for this now is purely nostalgic for the feel it gave me when I discovered it not for the pleasure it brings me when actually reading it, so at this point I prefer my memories of it to the story itself. I'd rather find something new that gives me the same kind of excitement this did than try to recapture old excitement by revisiting this again.

41. Unity Saga-as i said earlier I had zero interest in Valiant when it was coming out and later sampling of stuff hasn't changed that.

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Deleted Posts: 0	The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41 Apr 9, 2018 8:00:38 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 8:00:38 GMT -5 Superman: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? ... I agree with everything that Icctrombone has written - he wrote it just perfectly and that's a classic masterpiece - one of my favorite Superman's stories.

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The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41 Apr 9, 2018 9:04:32 GMT -5

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49 (tie). Superman: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?

by Alan Moore, Curt Swan, George Perez, and Kurt Schaffenburger

Read it and this is how you say farewell. Showing love and admiration for all that went before. Classic in every way.

49 (tie). Astonishing X-Men: “Gifted/Danger/Torn”

by Joss Whedon and John Cassaday

Read it and this was brought back the fun and joy of reading X-Men once more.

48. Doctor Strange: The Oath

by Brian Vaughan and Marcos Martin.

Never read

45 (tie). Magik: Storm and Illyana

by Chris Claremont, John Buscema, and others

Never read

45 (tie). Hellboy: The Wolves of St. August

by Mike Mignola

Never read but on my list to get around to.

45 (tie). Captain America: The Winter Soldier

by Ed Brubaker, Steve Epting, Michael Lark, John Paul Leon, Lee Weeks, and Mike Perkins.

Never read.

44. Iron Man: Armor Wars

by David Michelinie, Mark Gruenwald, Mark Bright, Kieron Dwyer, and others

Read. This is the beginning of the Asshat Stark/Iron Man that everyone knows.

43. Avengers vs Defenders

by Steve Englehart, Sal Buscema, Bob Brown, and others

My vote, so am I prejudiced in liking it? Hell yes

42. Starman

by James Robinson and others

Read. So much can be said about this series. Masterful in every way.

41. The Unity Saga

by Jim Shooter, David Michelinie, Roger Stern, Barry Winsor-Smith, Ernie Colon, Bob Layton, Sal Velluto, Frank Miller, David Lapham, Don Perlin, Stan Drake, Mike Leeke, Walt Simonson, and Joe St. Pierre

Never read

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The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41 Apr 9, 2018 19:28:24 GMT -5

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Apr 6, 2018 17:13:24 GMT -5 Reptisaurus! said:

42. Starman
by James Robinson and others

My single least favorite mainstream comic of all time. I don't remember very much about it, just that I tried to read it 2-3 times over the space of a decade and just. freaking. loathed. it. But better than Ted Rall or Ivan Brunetti.

Fun Fact: CBR did a fan vote of the top 100 stories, and since they are more mainstream and less Euroepan/weird than this list, I've read 99 of them. Everything but the last volume of Starman.

I don't seem to dislike it as much as you. But in my opinion, it's way over-rated.

Maybe not quite as much as The Long Halloween. But close.

And I love Ted Rall. Did you read Silk Road to Ruin?

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The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41 Apr 10, 2018 0:40:45 GMT -5

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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 10, 2018 0:40:45 GMT -5

No! There is a lot of Ted Rall I haven't read. Basically my problem with Rall is (A) his politics are uninteresting - They don't seem particularly well thought out beyond "generic liberal." I can always predict where he will stand on an issue (which, to me, is a sign of stupidity) and he's never challenged me or made me think.

And he just seems like a dick, smarmy and not-as-smart-as-he-thinks-he-is, and quick to take offense (and th But there is a lot of his work I haven't read (IE everything in the last ten years) so he could have improved.

And I quite like the Long Halloween! Loeb is a terrible plotter but great at figuring out his artists' strengths and writing to them. And I care way more about cool visuals than plot.

Erica "Squirrel Girl" Henderson is a great artist.

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The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41 Apr 10, 2018 15:53:48 GMT -5

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Slam, you have a point about 'boring Silver/Bronze Age Superman;...but Moore did a nice job 'deconstructing'(before that word became a cliche) that era. I don't, however, consider it the ;real ending' of the pre-Byrne era of Superman. It's an 'Imaginary Story', whether Moore wants to admit it or not. (And by 1986, continuity up til then didn't matter, since Byrne's version is a completely different one).

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The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41 Apr 10, 2018 17:16:21 GMT -5 thwhtguardian likes this

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Apr 10, 2018 15:53:48 GMT -5 comicsandwho said:

Slam, you have a point about 'boring Silver/Bronze Age Superman;...but Moore did a nice job 'deconstructing'(before that word became a cliche) that era. I don't, however, consider it the ;real ending' of the pre-Byrne era of Superman. It's an 'Imaginary Story', whether Moore wants to admit it or not. (And by 1986, continuity up til then didn't matter, since Byrne's version is a completely different one).

Well aren't they all?

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The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41 Apr 22, 2018 23:28:23 GMT -5

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Apr 6, 2018 14:30:01 GMT -5 shaxper said:

49 (tie). Superman: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?
by Alan Moore, Curt Swan, George Perez, and Kurt Schaffenburger

originally published in: Superman #423 and Action #583 (1986)

Memorable to say the least. Sad but entertaining.

49 (tie). Astonishing X-Men: “Gifted/Danger/Torn”
by Joss Whedon and John Cassaday

originally published in: Astonishing X-Men #1-18 (2004-2006)

Really liked reading this. It was the first X-Men I've liked since Claremont left with the exception of the Morrison run. I've pretty much given up on the X-Men as impenetrable and not worth the effort but this was fun.

48. Doctor Strange: The Oath
by Brian Vaughan and Marcos Martin.

originally published in: Doctor Strange: The Oath #1-5 (2006)

Have but haven't read yet. BKV is always good and Marcos Martin is an artist I'll literally buy anything he does. I've always liked Doc too.

45 (tie). Magik: Storm and Illyana
by Chris Claremont, John Buscema, and others

originally published in: Magik: Storm and Illyana # 1-4 with Uncanny X-Men #160 and New Mutants #14 being optional (1983-1984)

New Mutants back in the day was a really good title and Magik was one of me and my bro's favorite characters. Good mini.

45 (tie). Hellboy: The Wolves of St. August
by Mike Mignola

originally published in: Dark Horse Presents #88-91 (1994)

Haven't read it but it's part of a huge Hellboy block I'm going to be reading soon.

45 (tie). Captain America: The Winter Soldier
by Ed Brubaker, Steve Epting, Michael Lark, John Paul Leon, Lee Weeks, and Mike Perkins.

originally published in: Captain America (vol. 5) 1-25 (2005-2007)

Bru is always good. If there were a Marvel character I'd love to write, it would either be Cap or Dr Doom or maybe the FF. I've loved everything I've ever read about this series and look forward to reading it. Epting is incredible and has progressed leaps and bounds beyond his early work on the Avengers.

44. Iron Man: Armor Wars
by David Michelinie, Mark Gruenwald, Mark Bright, Kieron Dwyer, and others

originally published in: Iron Man #225-231, and Captain America #341 (1987-1988)

Heard of it but never read it. Nice premise. Gruenwald had some good ideas. I've liked most of what Michelinie has written and Mark Bright doesn't get enough credit.

43. Avengers vs Defenders
by Steve Englehart, Sal Buscema, Bob Brown, and others

originally published in: Avengers #115-118 and Defenders #8-11 (1973)

I've read it but was underwhelmed by it. Blasphemous, I know, and I'm a huge original Defenders fan as well as Steve Englehart fan. I'm sure if I read it back then it would have been the bomb, but I read it a year or two ago and just thought it was alright.

42. Starman
by James Robinson and others

originally published in: Starman #0-80, #1,000,000, Annual #1-2, 80-Page Giant #1, Secret Files #1 (1994-2001)

I've only read the random issue here and there but love Robinson's approach. Looking forward to reading this as a block someday.

41. The Unity Saga
by Jim Shooter, David Michelinie, Roger Stern, Barry Winsor-Smith, Ernie Colon, Bob Layton, Sal Velluto, Frank Miller, David Lapham, Don Perlin, Stan Drake, Mike Leeke, Walt Simonson, and Joe St. Pierre

originally published in: Unity #0-1, Eternal Warrior #1-2, Archer & Armstrong #1-2, Magnus Robot Fighter #15-16, X-O Manowar #7-8, Shadowman #4-5, Rai #6-7, Harbinger #8-9, Solar Man of the Atom #12-13 (1992)

Sorry for you guys that have never tried Valiant. I passed on the first few years as I thought it was Shooter doing cheap knockoffs but it's so much more than that. One of the best crossovers in comic book history bringing the early Valiant Universe cohesively together.

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The CCF TOP 100 COMIC SAGAS: #50-41 Apr 23, 2018 12:14:06 GMT -5

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Apr 6, 2018 14:30:01 GMT -5 shaxper said:

48. Doctor Strange: The Oath
by Brian Vaughan and Marcos Martin.

originally published in: Doctor Strange: The Oath #1-5 (2006)

Nominated by: md62 , thwhtguardian , and @mrp

Michael James writes, "By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth...this was a great story!

Magic based heroes are hard to write IMO. However Vaughan hit this one out of the park. This story had Strange team up with Night Nurse. Vaughan nailed the different characters (Strange, NN & Wong) perfectly. The concept behind the story was well done. The action. The magic. Everything about this series was near perfection. Including Martin's simple yet detailed art. Aside from Lee/Ditko this remains my favorite Strange story in recent times."

I tracked this down and read it because of the entry here. Five issues isn't a huge commitment and I've generally liked what I've read by Brian K. Vaughan (Ex Machina, Y the Last Man, Saga (though I haven't kept up) and Paper Girls), though I haven't read any of his "Big Two" work and I'm unfamiliar with Marcos Martin.

Overall I enjoyed the story. It's not in any danger of making a revised list for me (not even as an honorable mention) but it's good solid super-magician funnybooks.

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