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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2017 21:05:07 GMT -5
I don't disagree with the points you make, Prince Hal , but just because some of these accusers say it happened, doesn't make it so. Maybe i'm not explaining my point correctly. In the world of Hollywood, there are many people that are trying to take advantage of situations. Some of these people that claim they are victims are not. Some of them are opportunists. Do you honestly believe these women have anything to gain from coming forward, other than public ridicule, shaming, and having their motives questioned? It's being turned around that somehow they're the attacker, that they're the ones persecuting these poor innocent men, and that they're the ones who are somehow going to benefit from bringing these things to the public. I really, really hope you stop posting in this thread, because each subsequent thing you write is more horrific than the last. I will stop posting on this subject. As for this thread, since I started it, I don't see why I should be banned from it. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2017 21:10:09 GMT -5
I regret that in all of this, the one TV personality who was caught on tape bragging about his assaulting women seems to be strangely above the fray. The press seems more interested in hounding bloody George Takei. In this subject, to be accused is to be guilty. George Takei must be guilty. As for Trump, I hear that there are law suits pending about the alleged assaults. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 13, 2017 21:11:31 GMT -5
I don't disagree with the points you make, Prince Hal , but just because some of these accusers say it happened, doesn't make it so. Maybe i'm not explaining my point correctly. In the world of Hollywood, there are many people that are trying to take advantage of situations. Some of these people that claim they are victims are not. Some of them are opportunists. You just keep digging yourself deeper, man. Nobody says that every accuser is telling the truth, but you don't seem to recognize that coming forward to report a violation like this is not like coming forward to say that someone called you a name in third grade. These kinds of violations leave the victim emotionally and psychologically scarred. They bury the feelings, compartmentalize them, cope with them as best they can. Calling them forth is traumatic; it forces them to relive the incident and emotions all over again. You really think that many/ most/ several/ a few of the accusers of Weinstein or Moore are just making this up for a little attention and/or money? It'd be a helluva way to try to make a living. Honestly, I think we're done here. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 13, 2017 21:30:38 GMT -5
I regret that in all of this, the one TV personality who was caught on tape bragging about his assaulting women seems to be strangely above the fray. The press seems more interested in hounding bloody George Takei. George Takei must be guilty. Some subjects elicit that response, that is true. It’s something all teachers dealing with teenage students should keep in mind, because they’re all one false denunciation away from losing their job and their reputation. |
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Post by Randle-El on Nov 15, 2017 12:14:18 GMT -5
Ordinarily I would say that, all things being equal, yes it's entirely conceivable that the women who have come forth could be lying and are doing it for some self-serving motive. That's true of any accusation. However, in these cases I would say that all things are NOT equal. There is long history of men using their power to extort sex from women. There is also a long history of women being marginalized and being dismissed because they are "crazy women" or temptresses out to ruin men. Given this history, I would submit that there is a greater burden upon us to carefully consider their accusation without being immediately jumping to the "she's lying" card.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 15, 2017 14:29:32 GMT -5
As if Brett Ratner needed another reason to be booed after X-Men: the last stand!!!  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 16, 2017 20:10:49 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 17, 2017 8:50:32 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 17, 2017 15:02:30 GMT -5
Reading all these stories, all I can think is "people are WAY weirder than I imagined".
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 18, 2017 15:57:22 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 18, 2017 16:23:51 GMT -5
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Post by Randle-El on Nov 18, 2017 23:14:00 GMT -5
Well here's one I was disappointed to hear about. Allison Mack, the actress who played Chloe Sullivan on Smallville, is... I kid you not... rumored to be the head of a mysterious sex slave cult. jezebel.com/smallville-actress-allison-mack-is-accused-of-recruitin-1820373279I actually got to meet Allison at a convention a few years ago, and she was really warm and welcoming. She seemed to be genuinely happy to meet fans, and I got to spend a decent chunk of time chatting with her. Probably one of the best celebrity interactions I've had, so if this is true, that's definitely disappointing. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 19, 2017 0:56:44 GMT -5
Well here's one I was disappointed to hear about. Allison Mack, the actress who played Chloe Sullivan on Smallville, is... I kid you not... rumored to be the head of a mysterious sex slave cult. jezebel.com/smallville-actress-allison-mack-is-accused-of-recruitin-1820373279I actually got to meet Allison at a convention a few years ago, and she was really warm and welcoming. She seemed to be genuinely happy to meet fans, and I got to spend a decent chunk of time chatting with her. Probably one of the best celebrity interactions I've had, so if this is true, that's definitely disappointing. I just watched the videos- this was so shocking. Another video claims that Kristen Kreuk recruited Allison Mack. Wow. |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 19, 2017 5:00:20 GMT -5
Well, the source for that story that Jezebel.com cites is the British newspaper the Sun, which is notorious for getting facts wrong, sensationalising everything and also just plain making stories up. So, I'd definitely take it with a pinch of salt. On the other hand, if it's true, I have a hard time seeing what the problem is. If consenting adults (which this article doesn't suggest they aren't) want to engage in BDSM relationships in some kind of master/servant club together, what's wrong with that? I have friends who live that kind of lifestyle and some of what the lady in the relationship is made to do, on an almost daily basis, would make your jaw drop, but she's really getting off on it and it's entirely consensual, so who cares? Whatever floats your boat. The mock outrage and puritanical tone in that article is laughable and smacks of conservatism. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 19, 2017 8:27:55 GMT -5
Maybe, but branding a person like they are cattle is a bit much. Nothing in the videos suggest that either Mack or Kreuk engaged in the sexual slavery aspect. It struck me as a organization that encourages people and possibly to create contacts in their respective businesses. Of course the "leader" will exploit whatever he can. That's what the Weinstein's of the world have been doing.
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