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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 7, 2017 18:38:11 GMT -5
Discussing sociology. not 'politics'.
not Obamacare, not if Hillary got screwed, not 'Fox' vs 'CNN'. Those are political.
the Personal is the personal without the onus of the so-called 'political'.
so, to begin...
LGBTIQA folk (yes, it's that long a list of letters now, even if $#@@!!!!-heads like BAMN forget that), have the right to live their lives generously towards others, gently towards others, embrace their hard-won education and appreciation of 'what words actually mean according to the effing thesaurus', without being hounded, vilified or belaboured by people too lazy to crack open a book, and not be labelled 'co-fascist' or internalizing 'white male cis-privelage' when all they do is embrace what Oscar Wilde did, Gore Vidal did, Martin Luther King Jr. did, Susan Sontag did.
The desired-nation, the desired country, the desired Community is a 'melting pot', or it is NOT. a Melting Pot includes 'melting-pot of conflicting ideals, and ideas'.
Which sadly many people in the non cis-community forget, as they forget the noble examples of their predecessors.
some might ask, 'will you reference Yvette Felarca, here?'
yes. Because she's NOT a politician. She chose to be a teacher, rather than a politician. Teaching is sociological.
So yes.
When she gives up her cushy guaranteed teaching-salary and takes the risk that all demagogic-philosophers attempting to gain a political-assignment do, I won't.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 7, 2017 20:19:59 GMT -5
that's the beauty of sociology; it's about 'us'... no excuses in the form of 'straw men' from either side, no allowance for 'shifting the goal-posts'...  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 7, 2017 20:24:24 GMT -5
Where Angels fear to tread?  |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 7, 2017 20:32:47 GMT -5
and where fallen angels and John Waters fear less to dance a tango. but where sjw's are wallflowers. while true changers of society laugh. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 7, 2017 20:37:05 GMT -5
there SHALL be Joe Bob Briggs jokes. as they are sociological. in defiance of the political.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 7, 2017 23:47:53 GMT -5
Never one to fear parading my ignorance in public, I must ask: what the hell does "cis" mean?
Cei-U!
I respectfully summon a definition!
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 8, 2017 0:41:49 GMT -5
lol
a good and respectful question, mon ami!
cisgender
adjective
denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds with their birth sex.
"this new-found attention to the plight of black trans folks by primarily cisgender allies is timely and necessary"
of course it's become a word misused in ways, on occasion, by the BAMN Brats.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 8, 2017 0:46:45 GMT -5
David Bowie in his Ziggy days: not cis.
Elvis, on any day: cis
Lilly Wachowski , formally Andrew Wachowski, co-creator of the Matrix films, not cis.
Marilyn Monroe, cis.
fluid gender ppl who sleep with the opposite anatomical gender, not cis.
macho gay men whom only sleep with other macho gay men, arguably cis.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 8, 2017 1:50:05 GMT -5
macho gay men whom only sleep with other macho gay men, arguably cis. Who could possibly argue that they aren't cis? Their bodies are male, their personas are male, they're comfortable being male - that's pretty much the definition of 'cisgender'. AFAIK, the word was intended to create a positive definition for people who aren't transgender, instead of having to say "not trans" to describe most people. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 8, 2017 8:56:04 GMT -5
macho gay men whom only sleep with other macho gay men, arguably cis. Who could possibly argue that they aren't cis? Their bodies are male, their personas are male, they're comfortable being male - that's pretty much the definition of 'cisgender'. AFAIK, the word was intended to create a positive definition for people who aren't transgender, instead of having to say "not trans" to describe most people. The proper term would be "normal", in the sense of following the norm, but then trans people could get offended because it makes it sound as if they're abnormal, in the sense that something's wrong with them. I can see the problem, so "normal" is out. I will never use the term "cis", though, because it is a term that was not given to themselves by people who are not trans. It is as inappropriate as White people telling Black people what they should be called. Since the only time the term "cis" would be used is in a context referring to them not being trans, I find nothing inappropriate in saying "not trans". |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 8, 2017 9:00:24 GMT -5
lol a good and respectful question, mon ami! cisgenderadjectivedenoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds with their birth sex. "this new-found attention to the plight of black trans folks by primarily cisgender allies is timely and necessary" of course it's become a word misused in ways, on occasion, by the BAMN Brats. I feel compelled to ask, being deluged by new acronyms, what a BAMN brat might be. "Body Armor Mending Nannies"? "Bold And Mean Narcobarons"? "Batman And Metamorpho Nerds"? |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 8, 2017 9:12:03 GMT -5
I will never use the term "cis", though, because it is a term that was not given to themselves by people who are not trans. It is as inappropriate as White people telling Black people what they should be called. Since the only time the term "cis" would be used is in a context referring to them not being trans, I find nothing inappropriate in saying "not trans". This. A thousand times. Cisgender is a term that simply wasn't needed. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 8, 2017 9:41:15 GMT -5
I will never use the term "cis", though, because it is a term that was not given to themselves by people who are not trans. It is as inappropriate as White people telling Black people what they should be called. Since the only time the term "cis" would be used is in a context referring to them not being trans, I find nothing inappropriate in saying "not trans". This. A thousand times. Cisgender is a term that simply wasn't needed. Let's find a solution to a problem that absolutely does not exist |
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Post by DanBintheUnderworld on Jul 8, 2017 9:43:03 GMT -5
lol a good and respectful question, mon ami! cisgenderadjectivedenoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds with their birth sex. "this new-found attention to the plight of black trans folks by primarily cisgender allies is timely and necessary" of course it's become a word misused in ways, on occasion, by the BAMN Brats. I feel compelled to ask, being deluged by new acronyms, what a BAMN brat might be. "Body Armor Mending Nannies"? "Bold And Mean Narcobarons"? "Batman And Metamorpho Nerds"? AFAIK, "BAMN" is a reference to By Any Means Necessary, which appears to be a leftist organization or at least a faction. About which I don't know much, other than that members apparently value direction action over the handwringing & tut-tut-ing that have proven so wonderfully effective up till now. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 8, 2017 9:59:18 GMT -5
This might be at the risk of ... well where angels fear to tread. But as far as I can tell I think this is the end game of all the mothers telling their children they're special. We are all unique because our personalities are unique. We are unique in our emotions, in our capabilities, in our strengths and weaknesses. Yet somehow this transformed into making issues about skin color, culture, sexuality and genders. Things which are the minor of the whole person, at least in my eyes. Yet this is what makes us "special" or not special so that one group can dictate to other what is acceptable. Of course if no one discriminated based on these aspects of person we wouldn't be here either. But here we are. More worried about things like sexuality than the real person inside.
I recently met via a discord server a trangendered gal. She's in her teens struggling with herself and the attention and/or hate that her gender and sexuality get her. She has a lot of self loathing and depression because she'd rather just be normal and not have to do this. I didn't and still don't know what to say. She seems to have latched onto me for advice and comfort I guess. I've told her I'm ignorant of a lot of things with transgendered people and I dont always know the right answer or the right way to say it. She's never been offended at my ignorance if I do say something stupid. She said you admit you are ignorant so I know your intent isn't to be offensive or hateful. This is from a gal that's been told she should be killed and burned or never born.
I guess my long winded reason for sharing that is, when I comes to the words we use intent and context are big factors. In another discussion someone asked is "colored people" offensive? If is why isn't "people of color"? My answer? I think it's more embarrassing that white people want to dictate how people of other races should be referred as. Cause you know they're just people. And I think all of it's out of hand. Because any reasonable individual can see when someone is using a word out of ignorance or out of malice.
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