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Post by Action Ace on Aug 23, 2014 17:38:24 GMT -5
Tangently this really has me thinking, when was there a time when there weren't any great books being put out? I mean tastes vary, and as evidenced here there will be periods we like more than others but so far I see no reason to disagree with the periods put forward. But are there any periods that we can say are truly bad? With a few notable exceptions, I'm not aware of much good coming out of the 2000-2010 period. I'm sure I could come up with at least a hundred things I liked that came out in that period.
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Post by benday-dot on Aug 23, 2014 17:43:23 GMT -5
My glory decade as a young comic collector would be 1973 to 1983, a decade encompassing the beginning and the end of my first involvement with the medium. Thus you get classic bronze age work by Gerber, Starlin, Perez, Engelehart, Gulacy, Ploog, Miller and many others on a whole range of favourite titles from the Fantastic Four to Hulk to Avengers (yeah, I was a total Marvel guy)
However, this range of years excludes much of the great Kirby work I had come to love... so 1966 to 1983.
But then again these days I have more and more appreciation for the anarchic, improvisatory, non-continuity burdened early golden age years of 1938 to 1948.
But this also lets go of the halcyon EC period of the early 50's...
Sorry Shax, this is a great question but way too hard for me to answer!
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Post by berkley on Aug 23, 2014 20:12:58 GMT -5
My glory decade as a young comic collector would be 1973 to 1983, a decade encompassing the beginning and the end of my first involvement with the medium. Thus you get classic bronze age work by Gerber, Starlin, Perez, Engelehart, Gulacy, Ploog, Miller and many others on a whole range of favourite titles from the Fantastic Four to Hulk to Avengers (yeah, I was a total Marvel guy) However, this range of years excludes much of the great Kirby work I had come to love... so 1966 to 1983. But then again these days I have more and more appreciation for the anarchic, improvisatory, non-continuity burdened early golden age years of 1938 to 1948. But this also lets go of the halcyon EC period of the early 50's... Sorry Shax, this is a great question but way too hard for me to answer! Exactly - at various points I either hated or was completely indifferent to Marvel and mainstream DC during the 80s and 90s, but almost picked oh, around 1986-96 as my favourite 10-year period because of all the other fantastic stuff on the go in that time. To tell the truth, the last 10 years or so has probably been the weakest for me in that there hasn't been a whole lot of things that I've really loved. A lot of very solid, enjoyable stuff, but not much I'd rate with my all-time favourites. And much of what I have been most impressed by during that period has been books from slightly earlier that I'd missed when they actually came out - Morrison's Invisibles and The Filth, for example. Or European BD like Quai d'Orsay, that I think of as totally separate from the American scene I think we're mostly talking about in this thread. Maybe I'll start a "best comics of the last 10 years thread" so I can find out what I've been missing, if anything.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 23, 2014 20:27:53 GMT -5
With a few notable exceptions, I'm not aware of much good coming out of the 2000-2010 period. I'm sure I could come up with at least a hundred things I liked that came out in that period. Liked? or couldn't live without? I can think of a few true greats: Planetary, Usagi Yojimbo, Walking Dead (though I haven't read it), Paul Dini on Detective Comics, JH Williams III's art in general. But what else was truly AMAZING in that time frame?
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 23, 2014 20:40:52 GMT -5
I can't narrow it down. I prefer 1970-1989. Avenger, FF, Green Lantern/Green Arrow, Watchmen, Michelinie/Layton Ironman, Byrne FF, Miller Daredevil etc. Everything after that was just a copy.
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Post by Action Ace on Aug 23, 2014 20:58:11 GMT -5
I'm sure I could come up with at least a hundred things I liked that came out in that period. Liked? or couldn't live without? I can think of a few true greats: Planetary, Usagi Yojimbo, Walking Dead (though I haven't read it), Paul Dini on Detective Comics, JH Williams III's art in general. But what else was truly AMAZING in that time frame? 100 mini series, runs or titles where I couldn't wait for the next issue. Now I haven't read Usagi Yojimbo or Walking Dead, so they wouldn't make the list. The real question is, how many spots does Grant Morrison's AMAZING Batman epic take up? Can I get to a hundred if that only gets one spot?
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Post by shaxper on Aug 23, 2014 21:08:25 GMT -5
The real question is, how many spots does Grant Morrison's AMAZING Batman epic take up? Can I get to a hundred if that only gets one spot? And there lies the crux of where you and I differ on the 2000 to 2010 era. Grant Morrison...!!
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Post by Action Ace on Aug 23, 2014 21:14:49 GMT -5
The real question is, how many spots does Grant Morrison's AMAZING Batman epic take up? Can I get to a hundred if that only gets one spot? And there lies the crux of where you and I differ on the 2000 to 2010 era. Grant Morrison...!! Does the name Geoff Johns also make you break out in hives?
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Post by shaxper on Aug 23, 2014 21:23:34 GMT -5
And there lies the crux of where you and I differ on the 2000 to 2010 era. Grant Morrison...!! Does the name Geoff Johns also make you break out in hives? I liked Geoff Johns' work on Green Lantern for the first story arc, but after that, I just found his work profoundly overrated. Morrison, on the other hand, is a pretentious pretender who convinces people he must be a brilliant writer because he's managed to confuse them. And, while I ended up liking Damion Wayne, giving Batman a son, which then pretty much trivialized every Robins' relationship to him on contrast, was a terrible move that never should have been approved. Funny thing. When Max Allan Collins gave Jason Todd an attitude, everyone freaked. When Grant Morrison gave Damion Wayne the EXACT same personality, everyone praised the mofo.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 23, 2014 21:24:56 GMT -5
Tangently this really has me thinking, when was there a time when there weren't any great books being put out? I mean tastes vary, and as evidenced here there will be periods we like more than others but so far I see no reason to disagree with the periods put forward. But are there any periods that we can say are truly bad? With a few notable exceptions, I'm not aware of much good coming out of the 2000-2010 period. See, this was another era I actually considered. This was the first (and last) time I actively a bought decent quantity of Marvel books on a monthly basis with Ultimate Spider-Man, the Ultimates, Ultimate Fantastic Four and Ultimate Iron Man. While I liked the origin stories of these characters I rarely found large stretchs that I enjoyed until the Ultimate line rolled out. On the DC side I loved Paul Dini's run on Detective Comics and his later run on Streets of Gotham. Then there's Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka's Gotham Central and I enjoyed a lot of Morrison's Batman run, especially Batman and Robin, and Judd Winick's Under the Hood is one of my all time favorite Batman stories. And for independents there was Umbrella Academy, Matt Fraction's Casanova, Kurt Busiek's Conan, and his continued run on Astro City, Brian Wood's Northlander and although Hellboy had been going strong for a decade at this point I feel like it was in the 2000's that Mignola really hit his stride with Hellboy and branching out with the BPRD.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 23, 2014 21:33:49 GMT -5
See, this was another era I actually considered. This was the first (and last) time I actively a bought decent quantity of Marvel books on a monthly basis with Ultimate Spider-Man, the Ultimates, Ultimate Fantastic Four and Ultimate Iron Man. While I liked the origin stories of these characters I rarely found large stretchs that I enjoyed until the Ultimate line rolled out. I read a few Ultimate stories and generally found them to be well done, but the whole alternate universe reboot thing bugged me in principal. I've always appreciated most those runs that allow you to grow alongside your favorite character for the long-haul, so reboots and alternate takes rub me the wrong way unless they're one-shots. Yes Liked it, and Gotham City Sirens, but it wasn't the same level of amazing. Never read it. You and I have had this conversation I actually LIKED Batman and Robin for the pure, unbridled fun factor, and the growing relationship between Dick and Damion was pretty rewarding, but it wasn't Top 100 material for me. I wouldn't cry foul if the Anti Monitor ate it up tomorrow and it suddenly had never existed. Loved the potential of it, but I'll take the animated version of it over the published one any day. Infinite Crisis and One Year Later played hell with Winnick's intentions. I've yet to read any of these, though Astro City is high on my To Read List, and Northlander has been on my radar. If I ever get through the boxes of Conan stuff I already own, I'll try Busiek's run. As it stands, I have about six trades left to read, the REH non-Conan fiction to read, and the first 75 issues of Savage Tales. Gonna be a while
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 23, 2014 21:50:20 GMT -5
See, this was another era I actually considered. This was the first (and last) time I actively a bought decent quantity of Marvel books on a monthly basis with Ultimate Spider-Man, the Ultimates, Ultimate Fantastic Four and Ultimate Iron Man. While I liked the origin stories of these characters I rarely found large stretchs that I enjoyed until the Ultimate line rolled out. I read a few Ultimate stories and generally found them to be well done, but the whole alternate universe reboot thing bugged me in principal. I've always appreciated most those runs that allow you to grow alongside your favorite character for the long-haul, so reboots and alternate takes rub me the wrong way unless they're one-shots. Yes Liked it, and Gotham City Sirens, but it wasn't the same level of amazing. Never read it. You and I have had this conversation I actually LIKED Batman and Robin for the pure, unbridled fun factor, and the growing relationship between Dick and Damion was pretty rewarding, but it wasn't Top 100 material for me. I wouldn't cry foul if the Anti Monitor ate it up tomorrow and it suddenly had never existed. Loved the potential of it, but I'll take the animated version of it over the published one any day. Infinite Crisis and One Year Later played hell with Winnick's intentions. I've yet to read any of these, though Astro City is high on my To Read List, and Northlander has been on my radar. If I ever get through the boxes of Conan stuff I already own, I'll try Busiek's run. As it stands, I have about six trades left to read, the REH non-Conan fiction to read, and the first 75 issues of Savage Tales. Gonna be a while Growing along with the characters was precisely why I loved the Ultimate comics, they were fresh and vibrant and they really did grow with you as you read them as they didn't have the same static feel that Marvel comics usually leave me with. Gotham Central is a must read for any Batman fan, I loved the focus of the supporting characters like Gordon and Bullock. And while I agree Infinte Crisis and One Year later messed with Under the Hood I still stand by the notion that it is a great story on its own, the characterization is incredibly strong and I love the dialog. Busiek's Conan is really fantastic as it artfully adapts Howard's prose, and if you're a fan of Conan you'll love Northlanders. As for Morrison's Batman, why I agree some of it unnecessarily pretentious(especially the Return of Bruce Wayne) I none the less enjoyed a lot of what he brought to the table just for the manic Saturday morning cartoon like energy his writing was imbued with. We've gone more than nine rounds on it in the past though so I'll leave it at that.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 23, 2014 22:04:18 GMT -5
Growing along with the characters was precisely why I loved the Ultimate comics, they were fresh and vibrant and they really did grow with you as you read them as they didn't have the same static feel that Marvel comics usually leave me with. I see your point. It's the same reason some people jumped on after Crisis on Infinite Earths, and again with the Nu52, but in each case, there were also fans of the old guard who walked away. Those weren't their characters anymore. I think I'm mostly intrigued by the idea of a Big Two comic in the modern age that isn't about superheroes. I've considered checking it out. I like Greg Rucka a whole lot. I just felt there was too much left unsaid. The climax was utterly interrupted and forgotten. Fair enough. Maybe, in a few more years, when there aren't leagues of fanboys espousing Morrison as the second coming anymore, I'll be able to be more open-minded and excuse it its faults.
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Post by Action Ace on Aug 23, 2014 22:16:48 GMT -5
With a few notable exceptions, I'm not aware of much good coming out of the 2000-2010 period. See, this was another era I actually considered. This was the first (and last) time I actively a bought decent quantity of Marvel books on a monthly basis with Ultimate Spider-Man, the Ultimates, Ultimate Fantastic Four and Ultimate Iron Man. While I liked the origin stories of these characters I rarely found large stretchs that I enjoyed until the Ultimate line rolled out. On the DC side I loved Paul Dini's run on Detective Comics and his later run on Streets of Gotham. Then there's Ed Brubaker and Greg Rucka's Gotham Central and I enjoyed a lot of Morrison's Batman run, especially Batman and Robin, and Judd Winick's Under the Hood is one of my all time favorite Batman stories. And for independents there was Umbrella Academy, Matt Fraction's Casanova, Kurt Busiek's Conan, and his continued run on Astro City, Brian Wood's Northlander and although Hellboy had been going strong for a decade at this point I feel like it was in the 2000's that Mignola really hit his stride with Hellboy and branching out with the BPRD. The early 2000s would also be my high water mark for Marvel purchases thanks to the Ultimate line.
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Post by Action Ace on Aug 23, 2014 22:22:03 GMT -5
I think I see shaxper's problem for the 2000-2010 decade, he just hasn't read enough of them. He probably has the same problem for several other decades. The solution?
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