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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 8, 2017 19:21:55 GMT -5
Well, see the problem with Marvel is that half the time you really don't know if they're playing the feminism stuff totally straight or purely for laughs. Though if the articles about the book are anything to go by, I'm assuming the former
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 9, 2017 7:49:03 GMT -5
Well, see the problem with Marvel is that half the time you really don't know if they're playing the feminism stuff totally straight or purely for laughs. Though if the articles about the book are anything to go by, I'm assuming the former It can be both, I'm not sure if that's the case with the image provided...but it's funny either way. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Apr 9, 2017 9:33:40 GMT -5
]They've tried good stories, and Chris Samnee's Thor was a rousing sales failure. What sells are renumberings, "shocking" company wide events and attention grabbing headlines. It's a sad day of late. Well according to Brian Hibbs, (comic retailer extraordinaire and the man who successfully brought a class action suit against Marvel for late shipping books) in an interview for an article in the NY Times on the diversity issue, those are exactly the things that are causing the Marvel sales slump, not diversity. Oh and Hibbs was at the meeting where Gabriel made his remarks too. If you want to read the NY Times artcile it's hereBleeding Cool has a write up on Hibbs comments too in the Times as well, but is it simply a BC Special cut and paste job with nothing else to offer on it. -M I love Hibbs, and totally agree. I was just saying what I felt was Marvel's, and to a slightly lesser extent DC's, default marketing scheme. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 11:34:11 GMT -5
Well according to Brian Hibbs, (comic retailer extraordinaire and the man who successfully brought a class action suit against Marvel for late shipping books) in an interview for an article in the NY Times on the diversity issue, those are exactly the things that are causing the Marvel sales slump, not diversity. Oh and Hibbs was at the meeting where Gabriel made his remarks too. If you want to read the NY Times artcile it's hereBleeding Cool has a write up on Hibbs comments too in the Times as well, but is it simply a BC Special cut and paste job with nothing else to offer on it. -M I love Hibbs, and totally agree. I was just saying what I felt was Marvel's, and to a slightly lesser extent DC's, default marketing scheme. Here's the catch-22 for the big 2-if you don't renumber, the expectation is you will lose 25% of initial sales by the time the book reaches double digits and sales for each issue will attrition at 4-5% each issue after that, if you reboot, you get some of those initial sales back, but the more you do it, the less come back for each relaunch so you are starting with a smaller number each time. Either way, you are bleeding sales with every issue and it doesn't stabalize, the attrition just keeps going and sales get smaller and smaller. So they are damned if they do and damned if they don't because there is no growth in the market, just shifting of the existing fanbase from one book to another that feels shiny and new but is really the same ole same ole. If it really is new and fresh, a lot of the existing fanbase turns their nose up at it, because it's not "their" version of a character, but sales numbers show they don't stick with title that feature "their versions" either as events and #1 are the shiny new things they chase. This is what the direct market is in 2017 and it's not going to change for the better. It comes down to what I always say, comic fans get the comics their buying patterns deserve. The current market is the result of comic fan's buying patterns over the past 2 decades. This may not have been what they wanted to happen, but reality is often made up of unpleasant unintended consequences of your actions, and this is the reality of the current comic direct market. -M |
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Post by String on Apr 9, 2017 20:22:06 GMT -5
Speaking as a long-time Iron Man fan, I'm not insulted or enraged over Tony (mostly) dying again and having Riri Williams assume the mantle. As a middle-aged straightwhitedude, I'm not in the target audience for her but if her character, background, and actions are compelling, I will read of her. I don't stop buying Iron Man because of some character status change rather I'll stop buying it when I don't like the quality of the stories.
That being said, Bendis is trying my patience. The execution is faltering here, for example, in the last two issues, Riri meet Pepper Potts and teamed up with her when the Tech Golem attacked them (an Inhuman female who can mentally control technology). If there were five solid panels of action in this encounter throughout these two issues, I'd be surprised. Instead the majority of it was dialogue (really?)
So that's not the fault of the character, rather the storyteller. Despite his penchant/obsession for dialogue, I think Bendis has fashioned a compelling character in Riri so I see no need to stop reading of her even if I'm not part and parcel of what may be considered her target audience.
Same with the Lady Thor. So much outrage initially over the power and might of the virile Thunder God in the hands of a mere female mortal. Never mind that Aaron is crafting one helluva story in the worthiness of Jane Foster wielding such power. Then again, I have a more personal bias and connection in Jane's ongoing battle with cancer.
If the stories and characters are compelling and entertaining, then what does it matter gender/race/sexuality or anything else? Spend your money where you find worth and joy.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 9, 2017 21:08:04 GMT -5
I've been reading the Jane Foster Thor, and honestly, my main issue with it was Jane was a great non-superpowered character.. she didn't need to have superpowers.
While the uber-plot has been good, Jane's actual characterization has been all over the place. Sometimes she's compassionate but more often she just likes to hit things. And the whole thing with the transforation cancelling out the chemo but not effecting the cancer (or making it worse, depending on the issue) is even more illogical that comic book logic usually is... as is her refusal to eat the Apples to get cured, but she's happy to use Thor's hammer.
I feel as though I'd enjoy the story more if it was the regular Thor in the same spot, to be honest.
As far Riri, I just think she's the got the same personality as every other teen hero out there, there's really nothing to make her intriguing to me.
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Post by String on Apr 10, 2017 17:07:17 GMT -5
That's one focus of her story arc, what makes Jane worthy to wield the hammer? The chemo could help her cancer but she feels it's more important that she acts in Odinson's absence for as long as she's able. It's a dramatic decision and probably relates to why the hammer chose her. And if you could wield an ancient uber-magical hammer that can control lightning and storms, would you not want to hit/smash things too?  Riri could be better under another writer's pen. Preferably one who is not obsessed with what they view as 'witty' dialogue. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Apr 10, 2017 22:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 14:40:59 GMT -5
The artist involved, Adrian Syaf, has had his contract with Marvel terminated effective immediately. story at comicbook.comMarvel's official statement: -M |
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