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Post by MRPs_Missives on Jul 1, 2024 6:59:08 GMT -5
Latest read: Barbarians edited by Robert Adams, Martin Greenberger & Charles Waugh w/stories by Robert E. Howard, Fritz Leiber, Fred Saberhagen, Andre Norton, Lin Carter, Karl Edward Wagner, Poul Anderson, Katherine Kurtz others. Some were a bit uneven, but most were at least enjoyable. All were new to me except REH's Conan tale Beyond the Black River. -M I can see myself trying this once I get caught up to more recent modern fantasy. I recognise most of the names, though I haven't yet read anything from Saberhagen, Wagner, or Kurtz. The first two have been on my list for many years, Kurtz I only became aware of recently. Have you read the Derenyi series? That's the one of hers I've seen recommended, can't recall if it was here or somewhere else. I read the first 2 trilogies back in the 90s and like them quite a bit. I read a few of her urban fantasy books as well. I hadn't read much from her in quite a while. My favorite that I read was Two Crowns for America, set in the era of the American Revolution, but it's been 25-30 years since I read any of it. I have been thinking about tracking down the first Deryni trilogy to reread it, but I do not own the books and they are not readily available in print. Even up to ten years ago, they were ubiquitous and cheap in used book stores, but I rarely see her represented in the used book stories I frequent any more. -M
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 1, 2024 7:09:23 GMT -5
The Massacre of Mankind, by Stephen Baxter. This is the official sequel to H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds, in which the Martians are ack for Round 2 (a bit as in Marvel's Killraven series). I enjoyed it quite a bit, although I believe it could easily have been a hundred pages shorter. It is divided in four parts, between which many years can elapse. In part one, we reacquaint ourselves with characters from the original novel. They are now all named (and we learn that the narrator from WotW is not Wells himself, who is actually a competitor, but one Walter Jenkins). Miss Elphinstone, also from the original book, eventually married Jenkins's brother with whom she had shared a few chapters. She subsequently divorced him and is our main point-of-view character here, a daring war veteran, suffragette and journalist. Fifteen years have passed, and as one would expect the Martian invasion changed the course of history; World War I did not involve England nor the US, and although France was beaten, the fighting continues in imperial Russia. Some martian technology has been retro-engineered, leading to things like the Titanic surviving its maiden voyage and its unlucky encounter with an iceberg. England has become something of an authoritarian state. Jenkins himself is also divorced and lives as a quasi recluse with autistic tendencies, and although he has a huge impact on the plot, we don't see much of him this time around. Once the cast of characters is established in large part, we witness the return of the Martians to England and the discomfiture of the authorities who, as is so often the case, have made preparations to win the previous war but didn't anticipate that the enemy might change its tactics. First, the Martians have apparently found a way (unexplained) to become immune to the bugs that killed them during the first invasion. Second, having anticipated that the British army and its astronomers would predict where they would land and doubtless send a huge welcoming committee, the Martians begin by sending not their manned cylinders but a large number of kinetic impactors that dispose of the enemy and clear the land for a proper arrival. The rest of Part 1 is devoted to the rout of the British army and the conquest of the country, much as in WotW. (I could have done without all the scenes of people fleeing... been there, read that). Part 2 begins two years later. The Martians are essentially unbeatable, but their goal is not extermination. They control a large zone in England where they start culling the population selectively; they seem to want to treat us as cattle. A plan is made to try and poison their blood supply (they feed on human blood) with a new pathogen, and it is Miss Elphinstone who is charged with delivering it by carrying it in her own bloodstream. Officially, however, her mission is to try to communicate with the Martians using symbols conceived by Jenkins. Much as in Arrival, symbols play a big role in the plot. The novel also makes use of the fact that other planets in our solar system are peopled, and the story's premise is that the outermost planets saw intelligence develop first. Jupiter is therefore supposed to be far more advanced than Mars, which is far more advanced that Earth, which itself is more advanced than Venus. Martians, in need of greener pastures (so to speak) have already invaded Venus, but not the mightier Jupiter. Part 2 is rich in adventure, but once again we could have cut several parts dealing with the culture of potatoes in an occupied territory and the like. Such descriptions may make the book more down-to-earth, but slow the pace down. And anyway, Miss Elphinstone soon realizes that the "new pathogen" plan is flawed, as it would just be one more episode in an ongoing war that we'd surely lose in the end. Besides, she thinks she has a better, cleverer way to end the war for good! Part 3 describes the arrival of a new wave of Martian invaders, striking all over the world. Here again many pages could have been cut, because we get to see how several places are conquered even if nothing else is learned. Luckily, Miss Elphinstone's plan works. I won't spoil it, but it is at the same time original, quite unbelievable and an acknowledged Deus ex Machina. I wouldn't say I found it frustrating, though; the seeds had been planted early in the novel. The Martians stop their invasion and seemingly vanish. Part 4 is the shortest, and that is unfortunate as it is the most original section of the novel. We once again jump many years into the future, and see how Earth changed after the second invasion. We also learn that most Martians are still here, and that although they have renounced the armed struggle, they could still be a big problem for other reasons. Some (like Churchill) want to exterminate them, but others (like Jenkins) want to negotiate a mutually acceptable modus vivendi. The conclusion is pleasantly unconventional. Many historical characters make appearances, and the mix of nostlagia/alternate history/military thriller makes for a nice read. I liked it. this sounds alot better than the unofficial sequel that was in the back of the Perry Rhodan books that had Thomas Edison leading an invasion of Mars.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 1, 2024 13:01:54 GMT -5
Angel in Black by Max Allan Collins
Heller is back with a big case. Maybe the big case. The Black Dahlia case. For the two of you who don't already know, Elizabeth Short, aka, The Black Dahlia, was found dead, exsanguinated and cut in half in a vacant lot in Leimert Park, Los Angeles on January 15, 1947. The sensational nature of the crime coupled with the fact that she was a beautiful young lady, made the case a headline sensation. In the years since, it has been written about in fact and fiction, made into theatrical and television movies. It's still one of those famous unsolved mysteries. And therein lies the problem and why this is the first Heller novel that felt pretty unnecessary. It's not like Heller hasn't dealt with big cases before (the Lindbergh baby, Amelia Earhardt). For me, I think, the issue is that this case was already subject to a very serious, and very popular, neo-noir treatment by James Ellroy in 1987. So Collins treading the same general story, if not in the same way, fourteen years later seems kind of unnecessary. Maybe if I'd read this first I'd feel differently. But I didn't. And it's not just that. Heller himself says at the very end of the book that there are a lot of coincidences in this case. And throughout the book he says many times that "Detectives don't believe in coincidences." And that's the problem. What Collins has given us is a story that is built on coincidence after coincidence. And ultimately it just feels forced. I don't mind Collins' solution to who killed Elizabeth Short. At least it's not the same old suspects. But I don't love it either because it relies on another huge level of coincidence. This isn't a bad book. If you're a Heller fan and you're not super familiar with the case, you will probably like it. But, for me, it is by far the weakest entry thus far.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 6, 2024 21:15:39 GMT -5
Dwellers in the Mirage A.Merritt This is the third of 3 A Merritt books I had, and I liked the other for what they were.. random 'travelogue' adventure novels of the 30s. This one was longer, and had more of a story before our hero, Leif, gets whisked away to the Shadow-lands and battles the evil (in this case, a witch-woman who wanted to turn him to the dark side and seemed to have successfully done so with other incarnations of him in the past). There was also a bit of Lovecraftian horror here.. which didn't make for a great mix. On the whole, this book was just a slog. It was much longer than the others, but that length was spend with the horror bit, and just taking a long time to get to the fantasy world when the magic happens. The main character here has a sidekick so he can angst away to him, and it just doesn't work as well as the straight up fantasy adventure with a small excuse that the others were.
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Post by berkley on Jul 6, 2024 23:45:43 GMT -5
The Massacre of Mankind, by Stephen Baxter. This is the official sequel to H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds, in which the Martians are ack for Round 2 (a bit as in Marvel's Killraven series).
Stephen Baxter is one of the few currently active SF writers I've read, though only a couple things, and none of his most acclaimed books, as far as I can judge. They were good, very easy to read and kept my interest all the way through. He's really prolific so it's almost hard to know where to start with him. But I like the sounds of this one, in spite of my usual suspicious feelings about sequels or continuations from anyone other than the original author, and I'll be keeping an eye out for it.
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Post by berkley on Jul 7, 2024 0:00:22 GMT -5
Dwellers in the Mirage A.Merritt This is the third of 3 A Merritt books I had, and I liked the other for what they were.. random 'travelogue' adventure novels of the 30s. This one was longer, and had more of a story before our hero, Leif, gets whisked away to the Shadow-lands and battles the evil (in this case, a witch-woman who wanted to turn him to the dark side and seemed to have successfully done so with other incarnations of him in the past). There was also a bit of Lovecraftian horror here.. which didn't make for a great mix. On the whole, this book was just a slog. It was much longer than the others, but that length was spend with the horror bit, and just taking a long time to get to the fantasy world when the magic happens. The main character here has a sidekick so he can angst away to him, and it just doesn't work as well as the straight up fantasy adventure with a small excuse that the others were.
I read this one pretty recently myself. I had some problems with it too, but on the whole it sounds like I enjoyed it more than you did. A tell-tale sign is that since reading this and Ship of Ishtar I've found myself wanting to find more Merritt, so I have Burn Witch Burn coming up in the next few months. I agree that Dwellers isn't flawless but I liked the set-up and various individual aspects a lot. In a way that was the main problem - I liked the premise and many of the different elements so much that the imperfect way they were utilised and put together left me more unsatisfied than I would have been with a better written book with less interesting ideas. But I don't expect perfection from anyone and the stuff I liked, I liked enough that I'm looking forward to reading more Merritt.
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Post by berkley on Jul 7, 2024 0:15:21 GMT -5
I can see myself trying this once I get caught up to more recent modern fantasy. I recognise most of the names, though I haven't yet read anything from Saberhagen, Wagner, or Kurtz. The first two have been on my list for many years, Kurtz I only became aware of recently. Have you read the Derenyi series? That's the one of hers I've seen recommended, can't recall if it was here or somewhere else. I read the first 2 trilogies back in the 90s and like them quite a bit. I read a few of her urban fantasy books as well. I hadn't read much from her in quite a while. My favorite that I read was Two Crowns for America, set in the era of the American Revolution, but it's been 25-30 years since I read any of it. I have been thinking about tracking down the first Deryni trilogy to reread it, but I do not own the books and they are not readily available in print. Even up to ten years ago, they were ubiquitous and cheap in used book stores, but I rarely see her represented in the used book stories I frequent any more. -M
I didn't know she wrote urban fantasy, if that means what I think it means. That's a whole sub-genre I haven't explored at all - where's the best place to start? I think of it as something that started in the 90s, mostly with female US authors and usually having a strain of romance, in the modern, popular sense of the term (e.g. "Harlequin Romance"), is that kind of the idea?
Regarding the other two I mentioned not having yet read, I have a pretty good idea of which Karl Edward Wagner I'll try first - the Kane books - but Saberhagen was one of those guys who were so prolific that a new reader is spoiled for choice. Plus he seems to have written in several different genres - SF, fantasy, and horror, to name the ones I'm aware of. And then there are his collaborations with Zelazny. So I'm curious to hear what everyone thinks would be the best place to start with him.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Jul 7, 2024 1:09:30 GMT -5
I read the first 2 trilogies back in the 90s and like them quite a bit. I read a few of her urban fantasy books as well. I hadn't read much from her in quite a while. My favorite that I read was Two Crowns for America, set in the era of the American Revolution, but it's been 25-30 years since I read any of it. I have been thinking about tracking down the first Deryni trilogy to reread it, but I do not own the books and they are not readily available in print. Even up to ten years ago, they were ubiquitous and cheap in used book stores, but I rarely see her represented in the used book stories I frequent any more. -M I didn't know she wrote urban fantasy, if that means what I think it means. That's a whole sub-genre I haven't explored at all - where's the best place to start? I think of it as something that started in the 90s, mostly with female US authors and usually having a strain of romance, in the modern, popular sense of the term (e.g. "Harlequin Romance"), is that kind of the idea?
Regarding the other two I mentioned not having yet read, I have a pretty good idea of which Karl Edward Wagner I'll try first - the Kane books - but Saberhagen was one of those guys who were so prolific that a new reader is spoiled for choice. Plus he seems to have written in several different genres - SF, fantasy, and horror, to name the ones I'm aware of. And then there are his collaborations with Zelazny. So I'm curious to hear what everyone thinks would be the best place to start with him.
I think you are thinking more of paranormal romance, which is a sub-genre of urban fantasy that has romance as a prominent feature. Urban fantasy is usually a story that has fantasy elements but set in a modern urban setting. So things like Jim Butcher's Dresden Files would be a prime example of urban fantasy-a wizard who is a private detective of sorts in modern Chicago. It's roots go back a ways, I an remember several urban fantasies being out there at least as far back as the early to mid 80s. Comics like Sandman, Books of Magic, Hellboy and the BPRD and Hellblazer (and even Dr. Strange if you stretch it) and TV shows like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel would fall under the urban fantasy umbrella. Paranormal romance uses the same trappings and tropes, but tells stories more focused on romance and relationships going on in that milieu (think more Charlaine Harris' True Blood though Buffy an Angel could fit here too). Patricia Briggs and Christine Feehan are fairly prominent and successful writers in this realm. The series I think of when I think of Kurtz urban fantasy is The Adept series which she co-wrote with Deborah Turner Harris and is at least partially set in the WWII era... Aside from Dresden Files, one of my favorite urban fantasy series is by Elizabeth Bear (who is better known for her sci-fi stuff) and that is the Promethean Age stuff-Blood & Iron, Whiskey & Water, Hell and Earth, Ink & Steel, about a secret society that has ties back to the Elizabethan era and Christopher Marlowe and Shakespeare appear as characters and part of that society-and it deals heavily with the Fey Courts as well. In some ways you can think of some urban fantasy as historical fiction with magic thrown in. A lot of it draws on folklore for its fantastic elements, but are set in places recognizable as part of our world rather than in a place like Middle Earth or Westeros. -M
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Jul 7, 2024 1:14:03 GMT -5
As a side note, there's a newish "genre" called romantasy that mashes up traditional romance novel type stories but sets them in fantasy settings with all the world building and magic system development you see in modern fantasy (the likes of Brandon Sanderson as an example of modern fantasy). I've not read much at all of these types of fantasy, but they are getting popular with a certain section of modern fantasy readership and get of exposure in the fantasy corner of booktube (i.e. the corner of youtube whose content focuses on book discussion). These are a more recent trend than paranormal romance, which has been around and going strong for a few decades at least now. But many point to things like Anne McCaffery's Pern books as kind of the blueprint on which the romantasy genre was built.
-M
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 7, 2024 8:46:47 GMT -5
When I think of Urban fantasy I think of the Dresden files by Jim Butcher.... some of the others veer too much into romance for my taste. (often the female writers, to be honest, though I hate to generalize). I also liked the Felix Castor books I read by Mike Carey (kinda Noirish, if I recall) and Simon Green's Nightside books (which reminded me of Neverwhere)
Then there rivers of London by Ben Aaronowitch, which spans books and comics... I liked the 1st one but not the 2nd one enough to continue.. Slam seemed to like it more than I did based on his reviews.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 8, 2024 4:15:33 GMT -5
Little GreenWalter Mosley, 2013 Set about two or so months after the end of the preceding novel, Blonde Faith ( reviewed by me here), Easy is again out searching for someone at the request of a good friend, even though he is in pretty poor physical condition and should be getting bed-rest (it’s getting really hard to keep from spoiling events in the earlier books). The missing person in question is a 19 year-old boy named Evander Noon, although Easy’s friend calls him ‘Little Green,’ and we only find out why late in the book in what turns out to be a callback to some characters/situations in the very first Easy Rawlins mystery. Evander was last seen a few nights earlier on the Sunset Strip, where he was hanging out with some hippies and, after taking a hit of LSD, he apparently got roped into some kind of drug deal that turn a real bad turn. So, among other things, Easy finds himself again interacting with the whole hippie milieu (as in a previous book, Cinnamon Skin) – and it seems like Mosley tends to view that whole sub-culture with rose-tinted glasses. Easy also gets roped into a ‘side mission’ to help another friend of his who’s being blackmailed by some unscrupulous players in the corporate world. This twelfth Easy Rawlins novel was written by Mosley after a six-year hiatus from the character; in fact, the preceding book was supposed to be the last but then he changed his mind. And I have to say, after finishing it I was mildly disappointed with this one, as there are some aspects to the story that I didn’t think were thought out too well, and he seems to be resorting to some already seen storytelling crutches with Easy (again, I can’t go into detail about these without spoiling some key points in the preceding novels). One spoiler-free critique I can make is that I found a sexual encounter Easy had with a just barely-out-of-her-teens hippie girl, when he’s now moving into his late 40s, a bit skeevy. Still, though, even when he’s not as his best, Mosley is still pretty damn good.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 8, 2024 13:36:41 GMT -5
I just finished Thomas King's Obsidian, a Thumps DreadfulWater mystery.
I had no idea, but King is a member of the Order of Canada and he received several other distinctions besides. No wonder: I found him to be a very skilled writer.
Case in Point: this is a murder mystery, but you need to wait until page 280 for someone to disappear... and page 300 for the first corpse to be found! Granted, most of the story is about solving a cold case, so technically murders did occur before the novel even starts... but even so, King managed to keep me very entertained for 200+ pages thanks to colourful characters interacting with each other, with not one bullet hole nor stab wound to be seen!
The context is also unusual, as the action takes place in or near a Blackfeet reservation close to the Canadian border. (It's set in a town called Chinook so it could be the one in Idaho, but I don't remember if that was actually confirmed in the novel. It could be another Chinook based on the real one).
Thanks to King, I now know who Douglas Cardinal is. (He's the architect who designed, among others, the Canadian History Museum and the National Museum of the American Indian in Washington). Shame on me for not having known him before that.
Apparently, King is also a car connoisseur. I admit that he lost me there, even if it was very cool to read about different vintage cars; I just felt like a newbie at a comics convention.
The only small (very small) criticism I would have is that a certain name mentioned in the course of the investigation is a dead giveaway to what's going on. Since it's not even addressed in the book perhaps it was intentional; the cops here aren't on the Hercule Poirot level, and that they'd miss an obvious clue would actually makes sense; still, it felt too much like something that needs to be no-prized. I'd have avoided it, since it brings nothing to the story. But as I say, very small potatoes... and it was an entertaining read.
I will certainly be on the lookout for more from this author.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 10, 2024 4:18:47 GMT -5
Rose GoldWalter Mosley, 2014 LA, 1967. On the same day that he moves into his new home, a Sunday to boot, Easy gets visited by several well-dressed white men, police officers, led by a man named Frisk (anbd yes, Easy immediately comment on the the overly apt surname ), who is the police chief's special assistant. As they often do, the LAPD needs Easy’s help to find a young woman named Rosemary Goldsmith, the daughter of an obscenely wealthy weapons manufacturer. She’d disappeared a few weeks prior, with the police suspecting that she has been kidnapped. They give Easy one lead to follow, a former boxer turned college student and apparent Black revolutionary named Bob Mantle, now calling himself Uhuru Nolicé. Easy *really* has a bad feeling about the case, and doesn’t want to take it, but the special assistant said he is authorized to pay him handsomely – and Easy has some expenses that need to get covered (including a private high school for his daughter). The nature of this case sees Easy getting shot at and threatened by both apparently Black radicals and armed robbers, as well as FBI agents and officers from the no less than the US State Department. Also, outside of this investigation, he’s also juggling searches for two different people (a mysteriously disappeared ex-girlfriend and an apparently abducted small child). I liked this one a fair bit more than the immediately preceding book ( Little Green - reviewed just above); I won’t say it’s a “return to form” for Mosley, because his storytelling style in these Easy Rawlins books constantly evolves (just like people change as they get older), but despite all of the sub-plots and many characters populating it, the plot elements in this one seem to hang together better.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 10, 2024 8:37:56 GMT -5
As a side note, there's a newish "genre" called romantasy that mashes up traditional romance novel type stories but sets them in fantasy settings with all the world building and magic system development you see in modern fantasy (the likes of Brandon Sanderson as an example of modern fantasy). I've not read much at all of these types of fantasy, but they are getting popular with a certain section of modern fantasy readership and get of exposure in the fantasy corner of booktube (i.e. the corner of youtube whose content focuses on book discussion). These are a more recent trend than paranormal romance, which has been around and going strong for a few decades at least now. But many point to things like Anne McCaffery's Pern books as kind of the blueprint on which the romantasy genre was built. -M I haven't read it yet, but Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yarros is the poster child for this 'new' sub-genre. People I trust say its 90% romance and it's popularity on Goodreads (which tends to be most popular with young females) tell me it might not be for me. Also, apparently there is a lot less dragons than advertised. That said, I'd love someone here to read and review it
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 10, 2024 10:18:09 GMT -5
Cut Thin to Win by A.A. Fair aka Erle Stanley Gardner With only three books left after this one, the series is definitely starting to show its age. At least there isn't a surprise murder that Donald is in danger of being accused of committing. There is a murder, but it's somewhat incidental and even Frank Sellers probably isn't dumb enough to try to accuse Lam of it. Sellers is one of the major problems with these later volumes. There was a point at which it looked like Gardner might be on the cusp of doing something interesting and different with the police detective. But alas, instead he turned in to a caricature of the dumb police detective who jumps on the first opportunity to harass the private detective. Bertha Cool is also barely present in this one. That's not the worst thing, she's better when used sparingly, but this was too spare. There was a bit of "will they-won't they" again between Donald and Elsie, but it's too little too late. The mystery itself was only marginally interesting. There were some legal issues that were fun though for those of us who practice criminal law, so that was nice. Really what still recommends these books is that they fly by. Gardner could write a page-turner, even if the book had problems. I've only got two books to go (I've read one of the remaining three previously). Sometimes I really miss a series when I'm done. This time...I think it's probably time.
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