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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 20, 2023 11:51:00 GMT -5
Why Me? by Donald E. Westlake
(...) This is the only Dortmunder book I've read (so far?), and I quite liked it, too. I found it far better than some of Westlake's other comic novels, like Trust Me on This (which is solid but the humor often seems a bit forced and/or fails to land) and Two Much (which I actively loathed).
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 20, 2023 12:27:35 GMT -5
Well then, let me add Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Brigadier Gerard, a collection of stories about a braggart Napoleonic cavalryman, which act as satire, if you haven't read those. Lots of fun, there. And George Macdonald Fraser's Flashman novels, for more historical satire, with an unreliable narrator, who was the bully in Tom Brown's Schooldays. If you have a long list, imagine the pile of unread books I had from 20 years of bookselling, before I had to purge some of it, for living space, when Barb moved in with me and when we moved a few years back! I blame my dad for taking us to the Rolling prairie Library's bookmobile, every week, in childhood. I was hooked the moment I stepped aboard and saw all of those wonderful books and started exploring, with Dr Seuss, Robert McCloskey, Kate Burton and more, which later led to collections of Flash Gordon, Phillip Jose Farmer's Tarzan Alive! and m,y first readings of science fiction (aside from comic books). Same with my elementary school library, with their illustrated Oz books and history books. I've read the entire Flashman series and should have reviews of at least some of them up here in this thread. Love me some Flashy. My current to read lists (they're separated somewhat by genres) clocks in at 1,635 books. That doesn't include about 1,300 SF books, because I'm kind of burnt out on SF right now. And I suspect I have about 50ish comic strip reprint books that are collecting dust in boxes and haven't made it in to the list yet. I found, in my teen years, I preferred more "space opera" stuff than hard sci-fi, apart from stuff like Ellison or Asimov, were it was not so much the Sci part, as the Fi. I got badly burnt out on fantasy, by the end of my college days. It all boiled down to a few types: the Conan sword & sorcery stuff, the Arthurian stuff, the Quest novels, and the Burroughs' pastiches. Everything seemed mostly a variation on that. If you are lucky, then you got someone who wrote great character stuff or someone who did it with an original twist, like Glen Cook's Black Company books, where they are military fiction, in fantasy drag. I tend to read more of the Neil Gaiman, Terry Pratchett fantasy, where there is a lot of satire and commentary, as well as some interesting philosophical discussions and some darn good pulpy fun. For a while, I got on a kick of "I should read this..." which led to a lot of unfinished and disappointing things, to where I just decided to stick with the things that interested me or sounded really cool and have rarely gone wrong with that. I knew enough about classic literature and reference books to be able to recommend things to customers, and be conversant, without actually reading them. I haven't read Plato's Republic; but I know the basics, can catch references and can discuss the ideas. I have wanted to read the Dortmunder novels, though, as I have been reading more humorous stuff for the last , oh, 20 years, ever since deciding I had to stop watching the news and getting angry because of it. Greg Hatcher recommended those; but, I haven't gotten around to picking some of them up. I was about to when things went sour with B&N and I left and kind of stayed out of bookstores, for a while (plus no one is stocking much backlist, anymore). I should probably hit the library for them, as I prefer not to accumulate any more new books , unless they are special. Maybe a digital option.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 20, 2023 14:00:16 GMT -5
I know the feeling... my issue is I see books I want to read that you guys review, or a see in good reads and other places, but then I can't pass up a good library books sale, so I have a maybe 150-200 books on my to read shelf (which is actually a deacon's bench with three rows of books on it and a few stacked on top). It goes back to when I started this thread... I had got 2 paper boxes full of 50s and 60s sci fi paperbacks on ebay from a retiring book store owner (was probably 250 books easy) for less than a buck each... I've read a good amount of those at this point, but never quite caught up
Generally,I alternate between those I own and grabbing stuff on the to read list from the library.... though I the last couple months there's been more library since I as doing the summer reading program. And of course if I go in to grab a hold I often find something else too..
I also generally alternate in genre...I'll read a sci fi book, then a mystery, then maybe another sci fi the a baseball book..even if I'm reading a series I usually do that, keeps burn out from setting in.
Then there's things I read long ago I want to re-read...
so many books, so little time...
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Post by berkley on Aug 20, 2023 14:54:43 GMT -5
I read the first two Dortmunders, The Hot Rock and Bank Job, as a kid in the early 1970s, around the time when the Hot Rock movie was popular. I still haven't seen the film. I liked both books, but they remain the only Westlakes I've read. But I plan to get into the Parker series soon, and then probably some of the Dortmunders.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 20, 2023 15:07:39 GMT -5
(...) Generally,I alternate between those I own and grabbing stuff on the to read list from the library.... (...) Yep, just a few days ago I checked two books out of the library, even though I've got tons of unread books at home...
Again, I can relate...
Ain't that the truth.
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Post by berkley on Aug 20, 2023 15:51:28 GMT -5
Yup. Just earlier this month I found myself re-reading The Long Goodbye instead of moving on as I had intended to the only Chandler/Marlowe book I haven't read, Playback (unless the unfinished Poodle Springs counts). But I enjoyed the re-read and Playback is relatively short so what odds, I'll get to it soon enough.
That reminds me, I've been reading Mike Ripley's Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang, an overview of British thriller writing from post-WWII through the 1970s and beyond. Anyone recommend a similar book on American hard-boiled or crime fiction? I have a pretty good idea of which writers I want to sample up to the 1960s but after that my ideas are very hazy. I have a bunch of names I've heard about over the years but some kind of guide or overview might help me narrow it down.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 21, 2023 4:58:00 GMT -5
NoorNnedi Okorafor, 2021 This one is set in northern Nigeria, sometime in the late 21st century – it’s never specified and frankly isn’t that important. The main character is a young woman living in Abuja named Anwuli Okwudili; she prefers to be called AO, short for ‘artificial organism, because she has quite a few cybernetic implants installed over her life because she was born with physical deformities and was then hit by a car in her teens: an arm and both legs (not unlike a certain guy worth 6 million bucks), plus a few internal organs and some brain implants that help her control and coordinate her non-organic parts. However, this also means she is viewed with suspicion and even horror by most people and one day she’s attacked by a group of men with murder on their mind, but she ends up killing all of her assailants instead. She flees from the city and ends up crossing paths with a young Fulani herdsman who calls himself DNA (short for Dangote Nuhu Adamu). They end up bonding over their similar tragic fates, as DNA is fleeing back to his nomadic people’s main community after almost being killed in a vicious attack by some townspeople who claimed that he and his companions were terrorists. They eventually decide to hide in something called the ‘Red Eye’ – a giant stationary sandstorm in the Sahel apparently caused by some kind of environmental disaster decades earlier. The book’s title, by the way, is the Arabic word for light, which is also used to refer to giant wind turbines set at the edges of the Red Eye that harness its power (lighting up cities among other things) and end up being a crucial plot point. This is another of what I would call Okorafor’s environmental SF (or perhaps, post-eco-catastrophe) novels; it can be seen as a critique of capitalism and the environmental disasters it seems to cause as well as the human tendency to fear and hate anyone who’s ‘different.’
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Post by Rob Allen on Aug 21, 2023 12:45:09 GMT -5
The Word Hord: Daily Life in Old English by Hana Videen Shakespeare's English is archaic. It can be difficult to understand, but many parts are still perfectly clear and some are quite eloquent. A few centuries earlier, the Middle English of Chaucer is much harder to read. Some of it is incomprehensible. A few centuries earlier still is Old English, which is a completely foreign language. This book surveys different areas of life and shows examples of the Old English vocabulary for each. Every chapter ends with a word list showing pronunciation and meaning of a few dozen Old English words that were mentioned in the chapter. It isn't a comprehensive dictionary; it's meant to be read. The words are chosen for their ability to illuminate the world as seen by speakers of Old English. There is necessarily some amount of speculation; the amount of surviving Old English texts are few enough that it's very possible for a scholar to read all of them. Some of the words in the book appear in only one manuscript. There are letters used in Old English that were dropped from the modern English alphabet, like thorn (Þ þ), eth (Ð ð), wynn (Ƿ ƿ), aesc (Æ æ), and othal (Œ œ), and runes that were still in use. It's a fascinating look at a half-vanished world.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 21, 2023 13:07:47 GMT -5
Crows Can't Count by A.A. Fair (Erle Stanley Gardner) World War II is over and Donald Lam is back from the navy and asserting himself in the partnership with Bertha Cool. They are hired by one of two trustees of a beneficial trust for two young adults. Both have reached the age of majority, but the trust won't terminate by its own terms until both reach age 25. The trustee, Sharples, wants Cool & Lam to look in to a missing emerald brooch that was in the possession of the young lady who is one of the trust beneficiaries. She is smart and good with her money, while the other is a gambling male wastrel. Of course the investigation leads to a murder and, ultimately to the subject of emerald mining in Colombia (at least as it stood in 1946). I'm not sure why, but this is very possibly the best of the Cool & Lam novels up to this point (number 10 if you disregard the then unpublished "The Knife Slipped"). I just flew through the book reading it in one day. I think part of it is that Donald is very assertive in what he wants out of the partnership. He has 100% built it from a very small concern taking very sleazy jobs into a money-making operation. And, while there were definitely women available to turn Donald's head, he avoided the fall in love with the client/witness/suspect that has a habit of plaguing the series. Just a great example of why this series is fun and different from its contemporaries.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 21, 2023 13:44:34 GMT -5
That reminds me, I've been reading Mike Ripley's Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang, an overview of British thriller writing from post-WWII through the 1970s and beyond. Anyone recommend a similar book on American hard-boiled or crime fiction? I have a pretty good idea of which writers I want to sample up to the 1960s but after that my ideas are very hazy. I have a bunch of names I've heard about over the years but some kind of guide or overview might help me narrow it down. I'll keep thinking about it, but I'm not sure I have anything for you. I can recommend the Thrilling Detective website. In particular their Hall of Fame can be helpful. But that's mostly just hardboiled detective fiction and doesn't delve in to literary noir too much (though a little bit).
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 21, 2023 18:16:12 GMT -5
Crows Can't Count by A.A. Fair (Erle Stanley Gardner) World War II is over and Donald Lam is back from the navy and asserting himself in the partnership with Bertha Cool. They are hired by one of two trustees of a beneficial trust for two young adults. Both have reached the age of majority, but the trust won't terminate by its own terms until both reach age 25. The trustee, Sharples, wants Cool & Lam to look in to a missing emerald brooch that was in the possession of the young lady who is one of the trust beneficiaries. She is smart and good with her money, while the other is a gambling male wastrel. Of course the investigation leads to a murder and, ultimately to the subject of emerald mining in Colombia (at least as it stood in 1946). I'm not sure why, but this is very possibly the best of the Cool & Lam novels up to this point (number 10 if you disregard the then unpublished "The Knife Slipped"). I just flew through the book reading it in one day. I think part of it is that Donald is very assertive in what he wants out of the partnership. He has 100% built it from a very small concern taking very sleazy jobs into a money-making operation. And, while there were definitely women available to turn Donald's head, he avoided the fall in love with the client/witness/suspect that has a habit of plaguing the series. Just a great example of why this series is fun and different from its contemporaries. Just curious... do you actually own the books? Or on kindle? I find stuff like this really hard to get from the library
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 22, 2023 1:39:25 GMT -5
Crows Can't Count by A.A. Fair (Erle Stanley Gardner) World War II is over and Donald Lam is back from the navy and asserting himself in the partnership with Bertha Cool. They are hired by one of two trustees of a beneficial trust for two young adults. Both have reached the age of majority, but the trust won't terminate by its own terms until both reach age 25. The trustee, Sharples, wants Cool & Lam to look in to a missing emerald brooch that was in the possession of the young lady who is one of the trust beneficiaries. She is smart and good with her money, while the other is a gambling male wastrel. Of course the investigation leads to a murder and, ultimately to the subject of emerald mining in Colombia (at least as it stood in 1946). I'm not sure why, but this is very possibly the best of the Cool & Lam novels up to this point (number 10 if you disregard the then unpublished "The Knife Slipped"). I just flew through the book reading it in one day. I think part of it is that Donald is very assertive in what he wants out of the partnership. He has 100% built it from a very small concern taking very sleazy jobs into a money-making operation. And, while there were definitely women available to turn Donald's head, he avoided the fall in love with the client/witness/suspect that has a habit of plaguing the series. Just a great example of why this series is fun and different from its contemporaries. Just curious... do you actually own the books? Or on kindle? I find stuff like this really hard to get from the library Yeah. I put together a run from used book stores and Amazon. I wouldn’t imagine many, if any, libraries having copies of these books.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 22, 2023 7:30:13 GMT -5
yeah, they don't. It's very annoying. Almost like cheap paperbacks were meant to be read and discarded and not treasured for 60-70 years
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 26, 2023 12:00:23 GMT -5
The Trouble Twisters Poul Anderson I have to say, David Falakyn is no Nicholas van Rijn... I'm a bit sad he seems to be home enjoying his retirement instead of having more adventures for me to read. This is not really a novel, but 3 novellas that document David's rise from Journeyman trader to his first big mission. The first story was the best of the 3 (it involved the good guys figuring out how to move spare parts for repairs 1000 kms across medeval level roads with no wheels. Wheels were against the planet's religion). The other two were not particiular interesting or clever.. and in fact the 3rd one was kinda a mess.. the crew (which changed every story other than David), got involved in a three way war and each was captured by different factions. I think if the crew in the last story stuck together additional stories about them might be decent, but David himself just isn't very interesting, just a generic young, ambitious guy trying to make his fortune. And of course he's good at everything. This was not nearly as good as the other League books, but not terrible.
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Post by berkley on Aug 27, 2023 13:19:25 GMT -5
The Trouble Twisters Poul Anderson I have to say, David Falakyn is no Nicholas van Rijn... I'm a bit sad he seems to be home enjoying his retirement instead of having more adventures for me to read. This is not really a novel, but 3 novellas that document David's rise from Journeyman trader to his first big mission. The first story was the best of the 3 (it involved the good guys figuring out how to move spare parts for repairs 1000 kms across medeval level roads with no wheels. Wheels were against the planet's religion). The other two were not particiular interesting or clever.. and in fact the 3rd one was kinda a mess.. the crew (which changed every story other than David), got involved in a three way war and each was captured by different factions. I think if the crew in the last story stuck together additional stories about them might be decent, but David himself just isn't very interesting, just a generic young, ambitious guy trying to make his fortune. And of course he's good at everything. This was not nearly as good as the other League books, but not terrible.
I haven't yet read any of the Technic League books (if that's the right designation) but have been planning to make a start one of these days. I think I had the Flandry series in mind to begin with, but if there's anything earlier that's recommended I'll try to have a look. Flandry didn't begin until the 1960s, if have that right?
Anderson is one of the holes in my classic SF reading I've been trying to fill the last few years but so far I've only read The Enemy Stars. Right now I have Brain Wave and The High Crusade lined up, then the Flandry books, as I mentioned, but I'm open to suggestions. I had been planning to hold off on Three Hearts & Three Lions and the other fantasy book for now, as I'm saving modern fantasy in general for a later project, but I might have to re-thnk that too since it's taking me longer than anticipated to get to them.
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