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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 1, 2014 16:43:54 GMT -5
Hi Wildfire
Just wanted to mention a missing book from the 1st page summary
The Butterfly Kid by Chester Anderson which I reviewed at the bottom of the 1st page
As for Heinlein,I haven't read Stranger in over 40 years so I don't recall the context of those 2 quotes.He's been accused of many things-militaristic,right-winged but I never thought he was particularly an extreme chauvanist compared to what was the norm at that time
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Post by The Man of Tomorrow on Jun 1, 2014 18:31:53 GMT -5
The two particular things she didn't like was a line about 'don't hit it any harder than your wife on a Saturday Night', and one about women and children having the same intelligence level... she has quotes, if you really want them. It's true lots of other authors are similar (but not as extreme as in this particular book)... I don't think she was surprised, just debating whether it was satire, or a real opinion. It's probably 25 years since I read it, so I don't know what the context was for those quotes. I'm assuming they were tongue-in-cheek. If they weren't, they would have flabbergasted me back then just as much as they would have done today. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 2, 2014 20:01:00 GMT -5
The Time Hoppers by Robert Silverberg This is from 1968, it seems like it may have been with another publisher first (in '67)... great cover.. makes me think of Monty Python in a good way. Plot: Joseph Quellen is a mid-level government workers who illegals stakes out a bit of space in the wilderness in an overcrowded 25th century Earth. The High Government assigns him to investigate and stop 'Hoppers' the unemployed and low class members of society that are documented as having gone back in time to the late 20th Century. The problem is, he can't actually stop anyone that is documented, since doing so could completely change history and colllapse society. Luckily, his brother in law, an unemployed medical techincian, is not on the list, and is searching for the mysterious 'Lanoy' who seems to be the source of the Time Machine. Analysis: Usually, I HATE time travel. This one made it work, though, by talking about the very things that don't make sense, and telling a good story about them. The characters were all pretty unique (if a bit trope-y), and the main character was very complex and was easy to root for, even though he was far from a hero, or even a good guy. I'd definitely recommend it.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 2, 2014 22:19:51 GMT -5
Silverberg was really good by this period and this is a novel I've never seen or heard of. Good find
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Post by berkley on Jun 3, 2014 11:03:16 GMT -5
Silverberg was really good by this period and this is a novel I've never seen or heard of. Good find I know Silverberg mainly as an editor. Which of his own books would you (or anyone else who cares to chime in, of course) recommend as his best? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 11:05:47 GMT -5
I think very highly of Silverberg's Dying Inside.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 3, 2014 11:23:07 GMT -5
I think very highly of Silverberg's Dying Inside. I've enjoyed many of his short stories and novellas as well as Dying Inside and Nightwings |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 3, 2014 11:43:51 GMT -5
Silverberg was really good by this period and this is a novel I've never seen or heard of. Good find I know Silverberg mainly as an editor. Which of his own books would you (or anyone else who cares to chime in, of course) recommend as his best? Me, too, actually. Then when I looked on wiki, apparently he's written a TON of novels himself (at least 50) besides all the short stories and editing. I remember a long time ago reading his People of the Wall but I don't remember anything about it but the title. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 3, 2014 11:56:21 GMT -5
When Silverberg debuted in the early 50s, he had a reputation (and he admits) of producing a prodigious amount of routine sf . By the late 50s his output improved substantially in quality and in the 60s and 70s he was one of the best. He did become a Grandmaster of SF after all
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Post by Jesse on Jun 3, 2014 12:03:44 GMT -5
I've enjoyed many of his short stories and novellas as well as Dying Inside and NightwingsI own a copy of Nightwings in one of my short story collections (I think the Hugos) and I remember enjoying it. I had read that Gene Colan drew the graphic novel adaptation but never came across a copy to read.  |
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 3, 2014 15:39:53 GMT -5
My wife got a book from the library the other day - North American Women Artists of the Twentieth Century.
I opened to the index and looked for the names of some worthy female artists.
Marie Severin - not there.
Ramona Fradon - not there.
Trina Robbins - not there.
I closed the book and handed it back to my wife.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 3, 2014 18:35:44 GMT -5
I'm not surprised... Comic book artists 'don't count' when it comes to art snobs... I had a discussion about that last time I went to an art museum.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 3, 2014 18:38:48 GMT -5
And yet museums love that plagiarist Roy Lichtenstein.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 3, 2014 18:51:04 GMT -5
What can I say... no accounting for taste.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 4, 2014 20:26:58 GMT -5
Twists In Time (1960)-Murray Leinster
 Leinster was one of the few popular SF writers able to make the transitition from early 1930s to higher standards of writing as per John Campbell's Astounding Magazine.Leinster is credited with the first parallel universe story (Sidewise In Time June 1934) and possibly the first universal translator (First Contact 1945).Murray Leinster's 1946 short story "A Logic Named Joe" contains one of the first descriptions of a computer (called a "logic") in fiction. In the story, Leinster was decades ahead of his time in imagining the Internet. He envisioned logics in every home, linked through a distributed system of servers (called "tanks"), to provide communications, entertainment, data access, and commerce; one character says that "logics are civilization." Twists in Time is a short story collection of 7 tales-not 6 as the cover states.Stories include Rogue Star-A celestial body of anti-matter enters our galaxy and a scientist believes its the pathway to time travel Dear Charles-A man writes to his 52nd removed grandson how he went back in time and snatched away his girlfriend to make her his wife Dead City-A stainless steel knife 8,000 years old found in the ancient ruins of a city.The knife was not made for human hands Sam,This Is You-So you get a phone call from yourself who lives 2 weeks in the future The Other Now-Jimmy and Jane where so much in love when Jane died in a car crash.But is it possible for Jimmy to communicate with the world that she lived and he died? The Fourth Dimentional Demonstrator-Humourous tale of a machine that can pluck duplicate objects from the past The End-The Universe is contracting,the milky way galaxy is days away from destruction.Is it the end? These tales were written between 1935 and 1960 for Fantastic Story Monthly,Thrilling Wonder Stories,Galaxy and Astounding.Some humorous,some deadly serious,some bogged down in super science claptrap (The End),some genuinely heart warming (The Other Now).Overall a good sampler from an under rated but important SF author No credit given to the cover artist but obviously Twilight Zone inspired
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