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Post by lobsterjohnson on Mar 22, 2017 16:17:27 GMT -5
Are there any examples of comics that you do not consider part of continuity, even though those comics are officially in canon? Due to someone acting out of character, not liking the story, or any other reason.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 22, 2017 16:37:15 GMT -5
OMD, One More Day and onemoreday.
Also, Sins Past.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 22, 2017 18:14:17 GMT -5
^^ I'd go further and say One More Day and all the Spider-Man comics that came after it. My Spider-Man -- the character I'd followed since childhood -- ended with OMD, as far as I'm concerned.
Sins Past, on the other hand, I thought was an excellent story arc.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 22, 2017 19:17:12 GMT -5
Gwen Stacy and Norman Osbourne, no thank you please.
Agree OMD ruined Spider-Man.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 22, 2017 20:26:52 GMT -5
Pretty much everything post-Crisis at DC and post-Secret Wars at Marvel.
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I summon the big ol' case of denial!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 22, 2017 21:39:22 GMT -5
Definitely the Crossing, and the 'Teen Tony' era of Iron Man. While I haven't read it, I suspect the 'Cap was always a Hydra Agent' will be too
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Post by shaxper on Mar 22, 2017 21:51:40 GMT -5
Pretty much anything Batman written after Dark Knight Returns that wasn't done by Marv Wolfman or Alan Grant. No consistency in characterization whatsoever beyond Batman being a bad ass. So tedious, and such a waste of an amazing legacy.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 23, 2017 10:01:14 GMT -5
There are a number of retcons I pretend never happened, like Alicia Masters having been a Skrull during the 2nd half of Byrne's FF run, as well as Peter David's reversal of Lockjaw's true nature as revealed in The Thing's solo book and his "Bruce Jones' entire Hulk run was a dream." Ridiculous.
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 23, 2017 10:42:10 GMT -5
Definitely the Crossing, and the 'Teen Tony' era of Iron Man. While I haven't read it, I suspect the 'Cap was always a Hydra Agent' will be tooWhy? If you had read it, you'd know that there is a sound premise behind it which neither contradicts nor invalidates any previos Cap story, and that it's obviously intended to be an arc with a very definite end point. It's seldom a good idea to make judgements based on incomplete information. |
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Post by The Captain on Mar 23, 2017 11:05:25 GMT -5
Definitely the Crossing, and the 'Teen Tony' era of Iron Man. While I haven't read it, I suspect the 'Cap was always a Hydra Agent' will be tooWhy? If you had read it, you'd know that there is a sound premise behind it which neither contradicts nor invalidates any previos Cap story, and that it's obviously intended to be an arc with a very definite end point. It's seldom a good idea to make judgements based on incomplete information. Agreed. Now, I have read it, and it's a crap story that has been going nowhere for months. Every issue is, at minimum, 33% newly-fabricated flashback, all of which is because of the insipid KOBIK rewrite of history. There is nothing to like about this story in the least, and the big payoff is going to be a reset to the previous state. However, the one good thing about this storyline approaching its conclusion is that maybe, just maybe, Marvel will recognize that Nick Spencer is a garbage writer and will never let him near another Captain America book, be it Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson, or someone else. Spencer is singlehandedly responsible for two of the worst Cap runs in history, having produced stories that even Cap-Wolf is embarrassed by. |
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 23, 2017 11:09:42 GMT -5
Definitely the Crossing, and the 'Teen Tony' era of Iron Man. While I haven't read it, I suspect the 'Cap was always a Hydra Agent' will be tooWhy? If you had read it, you'd know that there is a sound premise behind it which neither contradicts nor invalidates any previos Cap story, and that it's obviously intended to be an arc with a very definite end point. It's seldom a good idea to make judgements based on incomplete information. It doesn't matter how much retconning they do to make it fit. It destroys the soul of the character. |
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Post by String on Mar 23, 2017 11:23:18 GMT -5
Anything by Bendis in Marvel.
His characterization is always questionable, plot lines may start off strong yet finish weakly if at all and usually he leaves no lasting impact upon these titles after he leaves. Even Milla, Matt Murdock's nominal wife, was shuffled to the sidelines beginning in Brubaker's follow-up run.
Because of Bendis, I skipped a decade's worth of Avengers books. (I know he is one of Marvel's most popular characters but I still see no real logical in-story reason for why Logan was made an Avenger. The reason Cap gave him was pure hogwash and goes against everything the Avengers represented).
The less said about his recent X-Men run, the better.
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 23, 2017 12:23:25 GMT -5
Why? If you had read it, you'd know that there is a sound premise behind it which neither contradicts nor invalidates any previos Cap story, and that it's obviously intended to be an arc with a very definite end point. It's seldom a good idea to make judgements based on incomplete information. It doesn't matter how much retconning they do to make it fit. It destroys the soul of the character. No, it doesn't. That's rather the point. Because they haven't actually retconned anything. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 23, 2017 14:04:21 GMT -5
For modern comics, I don't consider continuity to be a factor. Clearly writers use it willy-nilly, according to their story's requirement. I wonder why they even bother to explain why a hero or a villain isn't dead anymore (although in Echo's case, I don't think they even did).
In older comics, I generally consider that everything is in continuity unless a story blatantly contradicts what has been unambiguously established. Hence, I consider Aunt Petunia turning out to be a great-looking 40-year old to be in continuity, even if I had always pictured her as an elderly lady who might not even exist, and am convinced that Stan Lee also did. On the other hand Conan the barbarian #232-240 are out of continuity, because they hang on things that long-time readers know are simply incorrect (as in blatantly wrong).
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 23, 2017 14:31:41 GMT -5
Everything after around 1988.
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