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Post by rom on Apr 7, 2017 16:55:45 GMT -5
One of the many reasons I don't want to search out the older Ms. Tree reprints are their age; the original comics & the reprints are all from the '80's (and towards the tail end of the series, early '90's) and they really wouldn't be in good shape. Even though much of the series was in b&w *duotone*, I'm sure it would still look great remastered & reprinted on high quality paper - though this may never happen. You collect comic books, right? They are pretty old though, perhaps we should just throw them all out? I'm sure Ms. Tree would look terrible on modern glossy paper like Marvel currently uses. I think newsprint fits in with the pulp-inspired theme of the comic, but what do I know. 😛 I've been collecting comics off & on since I was a little kid in the late '70's, so I'm extremely familiar with what older comics looked like re: the older newsprint paper. I don't like the original newsprint paper from the '70's & many '80's comics; it ripped easily, the colors were awful, and you could see through one page to the page on the other side. However, you make a good point that Ms. Tree probably wouldn't look that great on the glossy paper. It was not a traditional color comic, therefore the colors (or lack thereof) wouldn't make much difference. So, if this title were ever reprinted I'm thinking it would look good on paper that is somewhat like the old newsprint, but of better quality - i.e., the paper that is found in DC's Fourth World by Jack Kirby Omnis & The Creeper by Steve Ditko collection (all from the 200X's) - these weren't reprinted on glossy paper, but the paper also wasn't the extremely cheap newsprint, either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 18:16:48 GMT -5
I've now read all Ms. Tree comics except the DC stuff. I need to get to that.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 7, 2017 18:34:06 GMT -5
Back in the day I had the impressin that Dakota North was inspired by the then-popular TV show Miami Vice. Both mixed crime dramas with trendy clothes and pastel colours.
The latter might have been due to the printing process, of course!
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Post by MDG on Apr 8, 2017 9:05:29 GMT -5
I prefer Ms. Tree in B&W or in the one-color format than full color. It's probably the only series where I have a full run (of books that went more than 20 or so issues).
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Post by String on Apr 9, 2017 20:00:37 GMT -5
I admit, I've never heard of this title till now. Sounds interesting.
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 18, 2020 12:45:50 GMT -5
Note: in the letters page of Ms. Tree 2, Max Collins states Ms. Tree is physically patterned after Lana Turner. This is good to know.
I checked the IMDB, and it turns out I've seen at least 6 films with Lana Turner in it... and yet, have NO memory of her at all. (Maybe she just wasn't my "type"-- heh.)
One of those was the Gene Kelly version of "THE THREE MUSKETEERS", where she played Lady DeWinter, the character Faye Dunaway played in the Michael York version in the early 70s. I don't think Dunaway has ever played a really likable character in her entire career. She's just too "good" as playing rotten, twisted, evil types.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 18, 2020 18:22:02 GMT -5
Note: in the letters page of Ms. Tree 2, Max Collins states Ms. Tree is physically patterned after Lana Turner. This is good to know.
I checked the IMDB, and it turns out I've seen at least 6 films with Lana Turner in it... and yet, have NO memory of her at all. (Maybe she just wasn't my "type"-- heh.)
One of those was the Gene Kelly version of "THE THREE MUSKETEERS", where she played Lady DeWinter, the character Faye Dunaway played in the Michael York version in the early 70s. I don't think Dunaway has ever played a really likable character in her entire career. She's just too "good" as playing rotten, twisted, evil types.
She's a romantic lead in The Thomas Crown Affair, even though she is after Steve McQueen; so, hardly evil. She's an innocent bystander pulled into a life and death battle by Robert Redford, in 3 Days of the Condor and she isn't what I would call evil, in Chinatown. Her role in 3 Days of the Condor is a complete innocent, vulnerable woman, who ends up aiding Redford. The worst you could say about that character was that she was stuck in a bad relationship which is ended thanks to Redford's intrusion. The more interesting parts in drama are usually the villains and the damaged and Dunaway is an interesting actress. She comes from a classical theater background and was part of a rep company, with Frank Langella. Those kinds of actors don't spend much time on "nice" roles. Turner is okay as Milady; but I found the character rather tepid, in that version. Really, the whole film is rather tepid, aside from the technicolor. Gene Kelly just doesn't strike me as a swashbuckler, no matter how much he jumps around. the Lester films capture Dumas far better, for my money. Love her in The Postman Always Rings Twice, though. Ms Tree is also Velda, to Mike Tree's Mike Hammer.
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Post by brutalis on Nov 29, 2021 13:53:36 GMT -5
Ms. Tree would make for a spectacular 1940 Film Noir style streaming television series. Someone needs to talk to Collins ASAP about this. While I adore the Terry Beatty art, I often wonder how much bigger a seller Ms. Tree could have been with a more evocatively stylized artist? Imagine the possibilities?
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Post by profh0011 on Nov 29, 2021 15:16:30 GMT -5
A bigger issue for me is, who owns the character these days?
MS. TREE went thru several publishers back when, but the last I can remember was... DC. And ever since, I've worried that they somehow acquired ownership, which is something that never should have happened.
As far as I know, it's been way to long since there's been any new MS. TREE stories.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 29, 2021 15:21:51 GMT -5
A bigger issue for me is, who owns the character these days? MS. TREE went thru several publishers back when, but the last I can remember was... DC. And ever since, I've worried that they somehow acquired ownership, which is something that never should have happened. As far as I know, it's been way to long since there's been any new MS. TREE stories. Max Allan Collins and Terry Beatty own Ms. Tree. Collins published a Ms. Tree novel in 2007 with a painted cover by Beatty and Titan Books have published collected versions of the comics under the Hard Case Crime imprint.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 15:48:49 GMT -5
Titan has also been putting out collections of Ms. Tree comics under their Hard Case Crime imprint of comics.
-M
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Post by brutalis on Nov 30, 2021 13:15:40 GMT -5
Titan has also been putting out collections of Ms. Tree comics under their Hard Case Crime imprint of comics. -M Now would be the time to start buying these. The 1st 2 TPB's were from the DC quarterly color run as Titan felt those would attract initially new readers. Now with TPB #3 they are starting with Ms. Ttee from her beginnings. Buy NOW so they continue through and we the fans will have the COMPLETE series in trade!
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Post by MDG on Nov 30, 2021 14:45:25 GMT -5
Titan has also been putting out collections of Ms. Tree comics under their Hard Case Crime imprint of comics. -M Now would be the time to start buying these. The 1st 2 TPB's were from the DC quarterly color run as Titan felt those would attract initially new readers. Now with TPB #3 they are starting with Ms. Ttee from her beginnings. Buy NOW so they continue through and we the fans will have the COMPLETE series in trade! I'd love to support the books, but it's a case where I have all of the original issues (except Eclipse Magazine) and the earliest TPB editions already.
Another reason they may have started reprints with the DC issues is that Beatty was pretty green at the start of the book and the art shows it. You can really track his progress through the first couple dozen issues. If it were economically feasible, I could see him wanting to revise some of the earliest stories, but don;t think that will happen.
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Post by brutalis on Nov 30, 2021 17:36:29 GMT -5
Now would be the time to start buying these. The 1st 2 TPB's were from the DC quarterly color run as Titan felt those would attract initially new readers. Now with TPB #3 they are starting with Ms. Ttee from her beginnings. Buy NOW so they continue through and we the fans will have the COMPLETE series in trade! I'd love to support the books, but it's a case where I have all of the original issues (except Eclipse Magazine) and the earliest TPB editions already.
Another reason they may have started reprints with the DC issues is that Beatty was pretty green at the start of the book and the art shows it. You can really track his progress through the first couple dozen issues. If it were economically feasible, I could see him wanting to revise some of the earliest stories, but don;t think that will happen.
I can see your point but this is a case of my wanting the double dipping for myself. I too have all the original issues but having them in a higher quality TPB is worth it. As for Beatty revising his art, I prefer the series reprinting as it was. They were GREAT issues then and should be appreciated just as they were. Especially fun is watching the growth of artist and writer uniting in a distinct visualization of characters and stories.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Dec 1, 2021 12:37:49 GMT -5
I don't think Dunaway has ever played a really likable character in her entire career. She's just too "good" as playing rotten, twisted, evil types.
I just saw her in a rewatch of Network. She's magnificent.
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