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Post by shaxper on Feb 8, 2017 10:16:15 GMT -5
I honestly didn't know anyone was still making romance comics. Impressive. Might have to check some of this out. Romance has always been a big part of Manga. I've only known Manga for sci-fi. Apparently I've been missing out.
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Post by MDG on Feb 8, 2017 11:18:46 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 9, 2017 8:55:31 GMT -5
I'm re-reading Mike Grell's issues of The Warlord, at least the ones I own (which means 60 of the first 71 issues).
The book was very popular for a while (being a DC best-seller in the late '70s) which is easily explained by its mix of high adventure and cool visuals. It harkens to Edgar Rice Burroughs' novels (Pellucidar, John Carter) and, like its main character, is simply out for a good time. Which it provides aplenty with its world filled with ancient wizardry, forgotten science, swords, dinosaurs, flying people, flying cities, flying horses, ladies turning into cats, guys turning into wolves, dolphins turning into ladies, reincarnation, time travel, and a .44 AutoMag pistol with a seemingly endless supply of bullets. As you can see, "no limit!" seemed to be the order of the day!
For those not familiar with The Warlord, it is an adventure series in which a U.S. pilot accidentally flies his SR-71 spy plane through a hole in the Earth's crust located somewhere near the North Pole. This hole leads to Skartaris, the fantastic inverted world on the inside of our planet! (Inspired by Pellucidar, no doubt, and by the more ancient legends of Shambala. In fact, the city of Shambala is featured in the series).
Skartaris is an extraordinary place of eternal light, as it is lit by the Earth's core acting as its sun. Time down there is a capricious thing; depending on where you are, it will flow faster or slower, helping plug several plot holes (like kids growing up to adulthood in just a few issues when convenient). It has a long history, and was long ago occupied by magical creatures (during the so-called age of the wizard kings"), many of which are still around. It was also colonized by the survivors of Atlantis, who brought their advanced science to the inner world... only to eventually wipe themselves out, leaving only a few automated cities behind. The flora and fauna of Skartaris is very diverse and anachronistic, with a propensity for things that will try to eat you.
Mike Grell's designs are often beautiful, from Morgan's helmet to the hellfire sword by way of everyone's skimpy outfits. His double splash pages have become legendary, even if they did eat up a lot of pages in an era of 17-page books. Most of the plots were rather simple; see monster, kill monster... but the magic of the book is that Grell created a wonderful cast for it. You really cared for those people, and more great ones were introduced regularly.
Grell wrote and drew the first 50-odd issues, then wrote it for a few more years. I dropped the mag when he left, avoiding the effects Crisis on Infinite Earths must have had on Skartaris. That's a nice run for a book that marked an era.
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Post by Crimebuster on Feb 9, 2017 10:01:51 GMT -5
Warlord is a favorite of mine, so I'm always happy to talk about it. As I've mentioned before, much as I love Grell and enjoy his issues, most of my favorite Warlord stories take place after he becomes less involved creatively. I think the series picks up noticeably around #40, which coincides with his then-wife Sharon coming on as a ghost co-writer. Those last two years you mention where he was supposedly just writing the stories and doing the covers - he actually was only doing the covers, Sharon was ghost writing the book solo at that point, using his name. He wasn't actually involved in the book at all at that point other than doing covers. And those are some of my favorite issues in the series!
You may find the issues after she left the book to be interesting. Right after she left, they started a gigantic storyline in #75 where Shamballah was overrun by beastmen bio-engineered using old Atlantean technology. Travis and his friends then go on the run, forming a resistance army to take back Shamballah and save the rest of Startaris from beastman domination. That storyline runs all the way through #100, mostly insulating the book from the effects of Crisis; the Monitor and Harbinger show up in #91 to retell Warlord's origin, and they later make a couple other cameos, but otherwise that's it as far as I recall.
The effects of Crisis aren't really felt until long after the fact in #115, when Desaad starts meddling in the affairs of Skartaris. Sales had started slipping at that point, so they abandoned their long-held promise to keep Warlord out of the rest of ht e DC universe. This was quickly followed by an extended storyline where Power Girl comes to Skartaris to find her roots, as it turns out she's Atalantean and not Kryptonian. An old Aqauaman villain comes to Skartaris as well and mutates into a major evil bad guy. And I think the New Gods actually crossed over in an annual as well. Basically, the last couple years are a mess, made palatable mainly by really good Jan Duursema art.
But in my opinion, the title is worth reading up through #100!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 9, 2017 10:22:25 GMT -5
Warlord is a favorite of mine, so I'm always happy to talk about it. As I've mentioned before, much as I love Grell and enjoy his issues, most of my favorite Warlord stories take place after he becomes less involved creatively. I think the series picks up noticeably around #40, which coincides with his then-wife Sharon coming on as a ghost co-writer. Those last two years you mention where he was supposedly just writing the stories and doing the covers - he actually was only doing the covers, Sharon was ghost writing the book solo at that point, using his name. He wasn't actually involved in the book at all at that point other than doing covers. And those are some of my favorite issues in the series! I had no idea! Sharon would be the one who came up with all those excellent quotable lines after issue #50, then! Thanks for the recommendation! I do have a few scattered issues of the rest of the run, but nothing struck me as material I really wanted to chase down. What I'd really like to read is the final run of the Warlord, the one that concludes the saga... it's too bad it's not available as a trade paperback; the low print run makes those issues very hard to get.
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Post by Crimebuster on Feb 9, 2017 11:58:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the recommendation! I do have a few scattered issues of the rest of the run, but nothing struck me as material I really wanted to chase down. Did you get a chance to read the story where he's flung into a distant dystopian future, leads a rebellion of slaves to reconquer America, and becomes President of the United States? This is what I love about Warlord, how at any moment they can just do a complete digression into utterly bizarre nonsense, yet it still totally fits into the style of the comic. Not many titles could do stuff like this and pull it off. Just pure fun. What I'd really like to read is the final run of the Warlord, the one that concludes the saga... it's too bad it's not available as a trade paperback; the low print run makes those issues very hard to get. It's solid, but not great, except the covers, which are amazing. I felt the actual conclusion of everything, in #12, was a bit rushed, which is ironic given it was building up for decades. I wonder if Grell had been told the series was cancelled and had to move it along a little faster than he expected.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 9, 2017 12:17:14 GMT -5
I'll have to disagree with Crimebuster. I don't consider Warlord to be worth reading after the Grell's left. But then the only Grell creation that faired remotely well after Grell left was Starslayer. And that's probably only because he was lucky enough to have Ostrander take over. Warlord and Jon Sable without Grell are pale shadows of their former selves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 15:56:10 GMT -5
I read through a large chunk of Warlord last year, but I stalled right around that dystopian future storyline Crimebuster mentioned. I found it more slog and ham-fisted in execution than fun, but to each their own. At some point I plan to come back and finish up the run and get to the 2 pst-run Grell series (the 6 issue mini form the 90s and the recent Grell series. The Bart Sears drawn Warlord series just prior to Grell's return though is utterly unreadable.
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Post by Crimebuster on Feb 9, 2017 16:07:17 GMT -5
Well, to be fair, Warlord #90 during this run was the third comic book I ever bought, so I am very biased towards that era for sentimental reasons. For me, it doesn't bog down until #101 when he starts on a quest that lasts until, like, #116 or something. It does get better towards the very end of the series, thanks to Jan Duursema, who provides some excellent covers. I'll be curious to hear what you think of the two later Grell runs when you get to them.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 11, 2017 16:53:32 GMT -5
I've just re-read Warlord #46, and there's a detail in it that's just way cool in hindsight...
In that story Morgan journeys to Hades to convince Death herself to release Shakira, who has just been slain by a dinosaur. Death initially refuses, until Morgan accepts to trade Shakira's life for ten years of his own.
That's pretty heroic right there, but it takes a whole new dimension when we readers realize that Morgan dies just a few years later, during his 2009 series!!!
It's like a plot point planted thirty years in advance!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 11, 2017 18:35:27 GMT -5
Romance has always been a big part of Manga. I've only known Manga for sci-fi. Apparently I've been missing out. MOST manga that comes out these days is romance, actually. The mostly call them 'Shojo'.. if you do an internet search you'll fine a billion of them. The majority are school based, but there are plenty of others.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 12, 2017 16:46:17 GMT -5
I've been re-reading the original Mirage run of the Ninja Turtles as well as the IDW series and while I'm enjoying both of them I have to say I'm liking the more modern run much better.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 12, 2017 21:19:30 GMT -5
I've been re-reading the original Mirage run of the Ninja Turtles as well as the IDW series and while I'm enjoying both of them I have to say I'm liking the more modern run much better. The original run was just so all over the place. After the first 11 issues, you just didn't know what you were getting month to month until the final storyline (which was amazing). Here's my old overview of the volume, along with recommendations on which issues you can totally skip: www.classiccomics.org/thread/150/series-overviews-thread?page=1#post-7876
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 12, 2017 22:03:40 GMT -5
I've been re-reading the original Mirage run of the Ninja Turtles as well as the IDW series and while I'm enjoying both of them I have to say I'm liking the more modern run much better. The original run was just so all over the place. After the first 11 issues, you just didn't know what you were getting month to month until the final storyline (which was amazing). Here's my old overview of the volume, along with recommendations on which issues you can totally skip: www.classiccomics.org/thread/150/series-overviews-thread?page=1#post-7876Yeah, I don't intend to read them all, the guest era was definitely more miss than hit so I'll just be reading the best ofs from those issues until I get back to North Hampton and City at war.
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Post by lobsterjohnson on Feb 16, 2017 13:30:25 GMT -5
Yesterday I re-read one of my favorite Batman stories: The Doom that Came to Gotham.
I’ve always liked Elseworlds stories. One of my biggest problems with superhero comics is how everything resets to a status quo every so often, and lasting changes are rare. So I appreciate stories like these ones, where the writers can make whatever changes they want without worrying about ongoing continuity, and the story has a true ending.
It is an excellent story, and the art is superb throughout (although sometimes close-ups of people’s faces look a bit odd). And I really enjoyed seeing this universe’s reimagined versions of familiar Batman characters (I like this version of Tim Drake better than most other versions of Robin). Batman himself is great here too; his personality reminds me a lot of Hellboy, and he does some actual detective work (something that is too rare in Batman comics, I think). Plus, the Batsuit has an awesome pulp hero design.
Despite being a very bleak and weird story for the most part, there are some pretty funny moments too (“Those were some awful-looking penguins.”).
I know I've mentioned this before, but the last panel of the story is one of my favorite comic book endings ever.
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