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Post by impulse on Mar 11, 2023 11:31:34 GMT -5
Granted, I'm not the most well-versed person on the nuances differentiating soul and R&B, but to me they have always seemed very similar and overlapping in qualities and vibes if not labels and nitty gritty details. Were I making a playlist of any of Motown-style, old R&B, soul, etc, I'd include any of Sam Cooke, Al Green, Jacksons, Temptations, Supremes, Isleys, etc.
It seems a nitpicky, if technically correct (the best kind of correct) distinction to me, at least colloquially talking about music.
Even if I am probably wrong though lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 13:30:22 GMT -5
Granted, I'm not the most well-versed person on the nuances differentiating soul and R&B, but to me they have always seemed very similar and overlapping in qualities and vibes if not labels and nitty gritty details. Were I making a playlist of any of Motown-style, old R&B, soul, etc, I'd include any of Sam Cooke, Al Green, Jacksons, Temptations, Supremes, Isleys, etc. It seems a nitpicky, if technically correct (the best kind of correct) distinction to me, at least colloquially talking about music. Even if I am probably wrong though lol. I think you’re probably not wrong, my friend. ”Overlapping” is a word that warrants much discussion when it comes to music. I hate the “sub-genres of sub-genres” that we hear about when it comes to metal. I don’t like how some are put in a box. It seems mankind, whether we’re talking politics or music, loves to sub-divide and categorise everything.
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Post by commond on Mar 11, 2023 16:37:35 GMT -5
Motown was more of a polished sound that was heavily produced whereas soul was more raw and emotive. It's hard to tell from listening to that Sam Cooke song because the production on Sam Cooke songs is pretty saccharine, but if you listen to him sing the track live, you'll get a better idea:
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 12, 2023 16:46:08 GMT -5
Most listened to songs of 2022
# 22 - Another Day, Another Dollar - Wynn Stewart
Is there any country musician that's more unjustly overlooked than Wynn Stewart? The guys influence on the Bakersfield Sound was simply huge. Stewart and his music had a enormous effect on Merle Haggard, Buck Owens and Tommy Collins. The great Ralph Mooney and Roy Nichols both came out of Stewart's band.
This was a modest hit for Stewart in 1962. It has since become much better known for being used in a Volkswagen commercial. This is just vintage Bakersfield sound. And that's a very good thing.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 12, 2023 16:54:03 GMT -5
Granted, I'm not the most well-versed person on the nuances differentiating soul and R&B, but to me they have always seemed very similar and overlapping in qualities and vibes if not labels and nitty gritty details. Were I making a playlist of any of Motown-style, old R&B, soul, etc, I'd include any of Sam Cooke, Al Green, Jacksons, Temptations, Supremes, Isleys, etc. It seems a nitpicky, if technically correct (the best kind of correct) distinction to me, at least colloquially talking about music. Even if I am probably wrong though lol. Really Soul is an outgrowth of R&B that emphasizes the gospel underpinnings of the music. Cooke, Aretha Franklin and Ray Charles are very much Soul artists. Cooke came out of singing in his father's church (as did Aretha) and started professionally with gospel groups like The Highway Q.C.'s and The Soul Stirrers. I wasn't trying to be nitpicky. Motown is a particular label with a very distinct sound. And none of their artists (except Marvin Gaye) really broke out of that sound while they recorded at Motown. I'm a much bigger fan of a number of other R&B labels, like Stax, than Motown.
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Post by impulse on Mar 13, 2023 8:30:05 GMT -5
I appreciate the insights. Good info on an area of music I enjoy but am not overly knowledgeable about. And no worries. While it seemed nitpicky to me, that is only because of my ignorance on the era.
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Post by Rob Allen on Mar 13, 2023 12:31:26 GMT -5
I once saw Motown described as "African-American music with the blues surgically removed".
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 13, 2023 12:46:22 GMT -5
I once saw Motown described as "African-American music with the blues surgically removed". That's brilliant.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 13, 2023 13:00:40 GMT -5
Most listened to songs of 2022
# 21 - Stay All Night (Stay A Little Longer) - Bob Wills & the Texas Playboys.
Written by Bob Wills and Tommy Duncan in 1945 the song became an almost instant western swing and country standard. Willie Nelson took the song into the Top 40 as did Mel Tillis and it's a frequently on Asleep at the Wheel's set-list.
The version that hit my list is from the 1973 album "For the Last Time." That was the last recording session that Bob Wills ever attended or participated in. All then living Playboys were present as well as Playboy-for-a-day Merle Haggard. I believe that Leon Rausch, who was the main vocalist for the band from 1958 through the early 60s did the vocals on this track.
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Post by commond on Mar 13, 2023 17:31:14 GMT -5
I once saw Motown described as "African-American music with the blues surgically removed". While Motown enjoyed crossover success thanks to its mainstream pop appeal, I do think there was some amazing talent involved. Holland–Dozier–Holland were incredible songwriters and The Funk Brothers are some of the finest session musicians to ever play together. They had some sublime vocalists too. There's a gospel element to Motown with the call and response, and some of the gritter songs like The Contours' Do You Love Me or Marvin Gaye's Can I Get A Witness could easily pass for Southern Soul. Artists like Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye also became increasingly involved in producing their own albums and expanding their creative vision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 8:43:26 GMT -5
On this day 65 years ago, the RIAA certified its first gold record, Perry Como's single "Catch a Falling Star".
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 14, 2023 13:47:13 GMT -5
Most listened to songs of 2022
# 20 - All Blue - Luke Bell
I'm not sure what more I have to say about Luke Bell or the album this song came from. I'd surely love to have him alive and well and in the studio making new music. Honestly, these lyrics become pretty haunting in light of what happened.
"All blue, Lord, all blue I'm all blue, and I can't say the reasons that I feel this way But I gotta go, Lord, I can't stay"
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 15, 2023 10:32:29 GMT -5
Most listened to songs of 2022
# 19 - A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke
Sam Cooke's masterpiece. Initially this was only a modest hit in comparison to Cooke's poppier songs. But it was almost immediately picked up by the Civil Rights Movement and became one of the important anthems of the Movement. It has been almost universally acclaimed in the years since as one of the most important and greatest songs of the 20th Century.
Cooke was impelled to write the song by racist incidents in Shreveport, Louisiana that led to him being jailed for being black. He was also moved by the power of Bob Dylan's "Blowin in the Wind" and was ashamed that he hadn't made as powerful a statement. What resulted was one of the most beautiful songs ever.
I'm sorry that there's still a lot of change that needs to come, Sam.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 16, 2023 9:21:03 GMT -5
Most listened to songs of 2022
# 18 - Seems Like Tears Ago - Jason James
I missed the train on this album (and James' earlier one) in 2019, but I've made up for lost time. I've heard the argument that James is just a retro act. He definitely sounds like the bastard child of George Jones. And he certainly doesn't seem to be doing much to change the genre. But who cares? This is just amazing old-school country music that could very easily have come off the radio waves in 1964. Shit, I even dig the retro album cover.
I think there's plenty of room for acts like Jason James, Wayne Hancock and The Country Side of Harmonica Sam along with more progressive acts like Charley Crockett, Mike & the Moonpies and Zephania OHora. Just don't tell me there's no good country music any more.
"You left our kids and our home For the wild side to roam Your new family is behind swinging doors You left these arms of mine You find more comfort in the warmth of the wine And it seems like tears ago"
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 17, 2023 11:27:44 GMT -5
Most listened to songs of 2022
# 17 - Feelin' Haggard - Dale Watson & Ray Benson
Anyone who has paid attention knows how much I love Merle Haggard. So this song from Dale & Ray's 2017 album "Dale & Ray" was sure to hit home. Of course I'm also a longtime fan of both Dale Watson and Ray Benson (of Asleep at the Wheel fame). Honestly there have been few celebrity deaths that hit me harder than that of Merle Haggard. His music was simply a part of my life for as long as I can remember.
"Feelin' Haggard I kicked those swingin' doors Feelin' Haggard I'm a branded man, for sure Feelin' Haggard Tonight, bottle let me down Feelin' Haggard Since Haggard ain't around"
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