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Post by hondobrode on Dec 10, 2016 1:31:13 GMT -5
It struck a chord and was unforgetable IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 1:41:22 GMT -5
It struck a chord and was unforgetable IMO. Unforgettable in the "Gah there's no way I can ever scrub my brain and get rid of that horrific image" kind of way? Mark Millar is a one trick pony and the trick isn't even a good one. -M |
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Post by berkley on Dec 10, 2016 1:46:46 GMT -5
I have to agree about about that Ultimate CA sequence and about Millar in general: he's a talented guy, but his stuff tends to rub me the wrong way.
OTOH, I know more than a few people feel the same way about Garth Ennis as I do about Millar - that he's mostly out for shock value or at least too often indulges a propensity for that kind of tactic. But I think Ennis is one of the very best around, though I admit that's mainly based on just two books, Preacher and The Boys. There's a substance beneath the sometimes outrageous surface shenanigans of Ennis's work that I don't see in what I've read of Millar.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 10, 2016 1:50:45 GMT -5
It struck a chord for people who like their anti-France talking points to go unexamined and unchallenged.
I have to ask: Why is Cap so comfortable with mindless France-bashing so many years after the war? What did France do to Cap? France is not beating him up and asking him to surrender. It's childish and petty and there's no context where it makes sense for Cap to be such a small-minded hater.
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Post by berkley on Dec 10, 2016 3:47:19 GMT -5
It struck a chord for people who like their anti-France talking points to go unexamined and unchallenged. I have to ask: Why is Cap so comfortable with mindless France-bashing so many years after the war? What did France do to Cap? France is not beating him up and asking him to surrender. It's childish and petty and there's no context where it makes sense for Cap to be such a small-minded hater. The question is, was Millar parodying that whole "Freedom fries" foolishness - CA represents America, and that's where America was at that time - or was he just cynically exploiting it, banking that American readers, or enough of them, really felt that way and would derive great satisfaction from seeing CA express that simple-minded contempt? The two motives aren't mutually exclusive and I suspect there was an element of the latter involved, even if the former was his conscious intention. And that,s one of the things that lowers Millar in my judgement. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 10, 2016 10:36:19 GMT -5
Apparently, Ultimates Cap is still really angry at the French because their government surrendered to the Nazis after only six weeks of being pounded by Hitler's war machine. And then apparently those awful French had the audacity to endure six years of Nazi and Vichy rule while hundreds of thousands of them were rounded up for the camps. And apparently the thousands of Free French fighting the Nazis and Vichy just weren't doing enough to appease Cap.
Poor Ultimates Cap. I guess he's the real victim, not the people of France. (Maybe he should save a little of his witty repartee for the Nazis.)
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 10, 2016 12:29:47 GMT -5
It struck a chord for people who like their anti-France talking points to go unexamined and unchallenged. I have to ask: Why is Cap so comfortable with mindless France-bashing so many years after the war? What did France do to Cap? France is not beating him up and asking him to surrender. It's childish and petty and there's no context where it makes sense for Cap to be such a small-minded hater. The question is, was Millar parodying that whole "Freedom fries" foolishness - CA represents America, and that's where America was at that time - or was he just cynically exploiting it, banking that American readers, or enough of them, really felt that way and would derive great satisfaction from seeing CA express that simple-minded contempt? The two motives aren't mutually exclusive and I suspect there was an element of the latter involved, even if the former was his conscious intention. And that,s one of the things that lowers Millar in my judgement. I have no doubt he intended both; but, as I said, no subtlety and shock for the sake of shock. It wouldn't matter if he was a hack, like; but, he's too good a writer for that kind of junk. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 12:07:46 GMT -5
The question is, was Millar parodying that whole "Freedom fries" foolishness - CA represents America, and that's where America was at that time - or was he just cynically exploiting it, banking that American readers, or enough of them, really felt that way and would derive great satisfaction from seeing CA express that simple-minded contempt? The two motives aren't mutually exclusive and I suspect there was an element of the latter involved, even if the former was his conscious intention. And that,s one of the things that lowers Millar in my judgement. I have no doubt he intended both; but, as I said, no subtlety and shock for the sake of shock. It wouldn't matter if he was a hack, like; but, he's too good a writer for that kind of junk. That's where we disagree I guess. I though he had a lot of potential when he first broke in, but the body of his work to me reads that he is a hack. There's one or two things of quality he's done, but for me it's more the case of a broken clock being right twice a day than him actually having any real talent for writing well. He'd rather pander and shock with schlock than put any real thought or craft into a story. -M |
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 11, 2016 12:20:01 GMT -5
I have no doubt he intended both; but, as I said, no subtlety and shock for the sake of shock. It wouldn't matter if he was a hack, like; but, he's too good a writer for that kind of junk. That's where we disagree I guess. I though he had a lot of potential when he first broke in, but the body of his work to me reads that he is a hack. There's one or two things of quality he's done, but for me it's more the case of a broken clock being right twice a day than him actually having any real talent for writing well. He'd rather pander and shock with schlock than put any real thought or craft into a story. -M Well, that's the thing; talent needs to be exercised and when he resorts to writing schlock, he isn't exercising it. Like anything else that requires exercise, if it doesn't get it, it atrophies. He hasn't been helped by Hollywood blowing smoke up his............... |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 11, 2016 21:30:14 GMT -5
It struck a chord and was unforgetable IMO. I thought it was pretty funny back when I first read it, and although it's not my favorite characterization of Cap I still enjoy the scene today even if it does make my eyes roll a little at how over the top it was. |
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Post by berkley on Dec 12, 2016 19:40:37 GMT -5
Couldn't find an online image of this one - and I think reading comic-book lines without the accompanying picture works as badly as reading song-lyrics without the music often does -but anyway, still with the New Gods, another key quote, this time from Orion in the last panel of New Gods #10:
"But the Gods are ever near - a part of men's lives! Giant reflections of the good and evil that men generate within themselves!"
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 29, 2016 7:01:01 GMT -5
"And though the Executioner stands alone, and the warriors of Hel seem numberless, not one sets foot on the bridge across the river Gjoll. They sing no songs in Hel, nor do they celebrate heroes, for silent is that dismal realm, and cheerless, but the story of the Gjallerbru and the god who defended it is whispered across the Nine Worlds, and when a new arrival asks about the one to whom even Hela bows her head, the answer is always the same... He stood alone at Gjallerbru.. And that answer is enough."
from Thor #362, "Like a bat out of Hel!", December, 1985
by Walter Simonson
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 23, 2017 15:37:52 GMT -5
Back in the day, Mike Grell's The Warlord usually had at least one quotable line per issue. I've begun re-reading the books I have, and it doesn't disappoint.
From issue #8:
"They"re robots. Sort of man-made slaves".
"All slaves are man-made, Morgan".
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 23, 2017 15:42:07 GMT -5
"This midget mansion the Pee-Wee People of Tiny Town gave us as a souvenir makes a good shield!" - Batman, "The Thousand and One Trophies of Batman!", Detective Comics #158 (April 1950) Why would anyone ever have to make a statement like that? But it starts to make a little more sense when you see that it's 1950 Batman. Dr. Doom has snuck into the Bat-Cave inside a mummy case that Batman and Robin have taken as a remembrance for the trophy room. Not this Dr. Doom! THIS Dr. Doom! Not only does Batman have two personal Fu Manchus, he also has his own personal Dr. Doom! Dr. Doom rigs the trophies - such as the giant penny and the robot brontosaurus - so that the Hall of Trophies is a death trap. But Batman and Robin nimbly escape every peril of their own Bat-Cave until Dr. Doom resorts to grabbing a grenade - that's also a trophy - and pulling the pin and throwing the grenade as he leaps into the mummy case for protection. Fortunately Batman has time to grab the "midget mansion" and he holds it in front of himself and Robin, protecting them from the blast. The explosion has jammed the lid shut tight on the mummy case and by the time Batman and Robin get some tools and pry the lid off (I'm sure they dawdled, had tea, ate some of Alfred's delicious cucumber and leek sandwiches), Dr. Doom has suffocated. The irony, the irony! I would like to have seen the look on Alfred's face when Luke Cage showed up at the front door of Wayne Manor, looking for Dr. Doom and saying, "I want my money, honey!" If he isn't a Chester Gould-type villain, nobody is... |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 23, 2017 15:56:47 GMT -5
DON'T READ THIS IF YOU'VE NEVER READ THE GREAT DARKNESS SAGA
"And who knows, my little Validus, perhaps someday your own parents may even kill you..."
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