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Post by shaxper on Jan 19, 2024 23:40:22 GMT -5
The sight of that spinner rack fills me with childish joy! I loved them back in the day. I have never been a spinner rack person. I bought them off wooden racks in stationery stores. Also, in stacks in candy stores. My very first comic came from a spinner rack, and that's probably the last time I ever saw one being used to sell new comics. But, having gotten into comics in 1989, so much of my love and nostalgia belongs to the generations before mine. I want to have grown up in 1974, not 1989. So...a spinner rack.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 20, 2024 0:09:07 GMT -5
The sight of that spinner rack fills me with childish joy! I loved them back in the day. I have never been a spinner rack person. I bought them off wooden racks in stationery stores. Also, in stacks in candy stores. I think spinner racks look really cool, but I don't ever remember seeing comics on them in the UK back in the day. Toys and paperback books, yes, but never comics. Comics, whether imported American issues or the larger, magazine-sized domestic format, were always on the magazine shelves. So, I don't have the same nostalgic affection for comic spinner racks that many of my American comrades in the forum do.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 20, 2024 0:39:01 GMT -5
I saw both spinners and stationary shelves growing up. I never liked the way the comics got bent over the racks and creased in stores, though that one looks awesome and I'm sure anyone here would take better care of the comics than the general public of decades past. Meh. They were just funnybooks.
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Post by impulse on Jan 20, 2024 10:19:34 GMT -5
I saw both spinners and stationary shelves growing up. I never liked the way the comics got bent over the racks and creased in stores, though that one looks awesome and I'm sure anyone here would take better care of the comics than the general public of decades past. Meh. They were just funnybooks. Perhaps for you. I came up in the peak speculation boom era of comics, so for good or ill, condition was a huge factor and a heavily important part of the experience at the time. I own like 10 physical comics at this point, and they're more for decoration than anything. Otherwise, my comic reading is done on the iPad, so condition is largely irrelevant for story consumption for me any more. Oh, to clarify, I didn't mean to suggest that spinner wasn't cool. It looks awesome! And I was always drawn to them even back in the day, and honestly still today a spinner rack of comics would get my attention. I was just disappointed a lot in the past due to the condition I often found the books in. That would be a non-issue with the private collection of a CCF member, I'm sure.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 20, 2024 11:06:52 GMT -5
That would be a non-issue with the private collection of a CCF member, I'm sure. If you don't overload it, condition really isn't an issue at all. I have unbagged books in there.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 20, 2024 11:49:30 GMT -5
Spinner racks are the spawn of Satan. I would never allow one in my house, let alone anywhere near my comics. Always hated 'em, always will.
Cei-U! But that's just me!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 20, 2024 12:28:49 GMT -5
I've seen a few comics bent in the middle from being on those racks.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Jan 20, 2024 14:45:23 GMT -5
I've seen a few comics bent in the middle from being on those racks. I don't consider that any more of a flaw than the subscription crease in comics mailed for subscriptions before they started mailing them flat. It's a feature of their path to market and then to end customer. A relic of the journey that put a bundle of joy in someone's hands. -M
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 20, 2024 16:48:10 GMT -5
I've seen a few comics bent in the middle from being on those racks. I don't consider that any more of a flaw than the subscription crease in comics mailed for subscriptions before they started mailing them flat. It's a feature of their path to market and then to end customer. A relic of the journey that put a bundle of joy in someone's hands. -M Spinner racks were at a time when condition wasn’t an obsession like it is now.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Jan 20, 2024 17:11:47 GMT -5
I don't consider that any more of a flaw than the subscription crease in comics mailed for subscriptions before they started mailing them flat. It's a feature of their path to market and then to end customer. A relic of the journey that put a bundle of joy in someone's hands. -M Spinner racks were at a time when condition wasn’t an obsession like it is now. As a collector, I've never really been arsed about condition. As a kid, I read the covers off just about every comic I ever owned. I kept them all in an old suitcase and edges would often get caught, corners bent or torn, and often they had a bit of spine roll after a while because covers & pages got folded back when I (or my dad ) was reading them. As a young collector just starting out, my lcs didn't differentiate between grades unless it was a book that went for over $10 (and nothing except expensive keys were in bags or boards, those displayed in a locked case, everything else was just piled raw on metal shelves and you had to ask for a title to get a pile of them to root through to find what you were looking through). Overstreet only gave 3 prices for grades, and the owner usually used the mid grade price for anything under $10. Mail order ads usually only guaranteed a book you ordered would be VG or better and had the same price for everything. Other shops were different for sure, but they were usually exceptions not the norm through most of the shops I went to in the 80s. There were some collectors who were obsessed about condition (there was one guy who shopped at that lcs who would not do a pull list because he had to examine every copy on the shelf of the books he wanted to buy to fond the one in best condition) but again, exceptions not the rule. It wasn't until the very late 80s and 90s that that condition obsession really began to get a stranglehold on collectors, part of the groundswell coming out of the b&w speculation boom/bubble in the mid 80s that lead to the bigger speculation boom of the 90s and was also fueled by the new wave or mail order retailers (the likes of East Coast Comics and others) who touted high grade in their ads. It was a trajectory for the hobby that I never really bought into and one that I think did a lot more harm than good to the hobby overall (it's what created the fertile ground for the slabbing phenomenon for example). There's no right or wrong way to collects, and if high grade and slabbing is what makes collecting fun for you, good on you, but I don't think the commodification of high grade copies of comics overall did much good for the health of the hobby or industry overall. But that's a whole can of worms best avoided, as its one of those discussion that no matter how much people throw out verbiage, no one is going to change their mind, alter their position, or even reconsider their own position on it, and there's no new information to bring to light to make the conversation worthwhile, so it's an utterly useless conversation to have that can only produce frustration or hurt feelings by those participating. -M
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 20, 2024 18:41:59 GMT -5
Spinner racks were at a time when condition wasn’t an obsession like it is now. As a collector, I've never really been arsed about condition. -M You and I think alike for this subject. I started collecting comics in 1971 and bought them mostly used . They were all in " good" condition. My only objection to buying those books would be if the cover was missing or pages were cut out. So from that time to the 80's where comic shops were a thing, condition wasn't a consideration for me. Even now, I will take books that are " good". I don't care about 9.8 because I want to be able to physically read ALL my books. The recent news about CGC books fraudulently being graded is a something I knew was coming because of the chase to monetize high grade books.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2024 18:50:31 GMT -5
I like a high-grade book, no apologies there.....but, even I have my patience tested when others want to nitpick between 9.8, 9.9 and 10.0 and charge their [idiotic] asking prices for them.
If someone wants to pay a 1000%-4000% premium for a 0.1 grading difference that you can't see with your naked eye, then whatever floats your boat, just float away from me and leave me with my good old fashioned NM.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 20, 2024 19:15:57 GMT -5
I like a high-grade book, no apologies there.....but, even I have my patience tested when others want to nitpick between 9.8, 9.9 and 10.0 and charge their [idiotic] asking prices for them.
If someone wants to pay a 1000%-4000% premium for a 0.1 grading difference that you can't see with your naked eye, then whatever floats your boat, just float away from me and leave me with my good old fashioned NM.
You will know better, but what's the visual difference between 9.8 and 9.4?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2024 19:35:17 GMT -5
You will know better, but what's the visual difference between 9.8 and 9.4?
A CGC 9.4 is NM and a 9.8 is NM/M.
The 9.4 would have minor flaws like extremely light wear on the spine, or around the staples, a very tiny spine ding...very minor but still visible if the flaws are on the front or back of the covers. Something like a minor fold (that doesn't leave a white line) or very tiny spine curl can be pressed out, or cleaned and a 9.4 has the potential to be upped to 9.6 or better.
A 9.8 looks perfect at first glance, but is allowed maybe one tiny flaw.
I remember one retailer selling a CGC 10.0 for 25x the price of a raw NM copy...and the customer asked for a refund when he couldn't see the difference between the 10.0 and a 9.9 he already owned. The dealer said that wasn't his problem lol....
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 20, 2024 19:47:07 GMT -5
You will know better, but what's the visual difference between 9.8 and 9.4?
A CGC 9.4 is NM and a 9.8 is NM/M.
The 9.4 would have minor flaws like extremely light wear on the spine, or around the staples, a very tiny spine ding...very minor but still visible if the flaws are on the front or back of the covers. Something like a minor fold (that doesn't leave a white line) or very tiny spine curl can be pressed out, or cleaned and a 9.4 has the potential to be upped to 9.6 or better.
A 9.8 looks perfect at first glance, but is allowed maybe one tiny flaw.
I remember one retailer selling a CGC 10.0 for 25x the price of a raw NM copy...and the customer asked for a refund when he couldn't see the difference between the 10.0 and a 9.9 he already owned. The dealer said that wasn't his problem lol....
Caveat emptor! I think the dealer was right. The buyer got an expensive dose of reality, and I hope it will allow him to save money in the future.
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