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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 25, 2018 8:53:55 GMT -5
That doesn't seem right to me. Silver Age DC was very much defined by editorial fiefdoms. The only people who's opinion mattered were Boltinoff and the guys above him. This is true, but this era of TT is way too late to be considered Silver Age. I think things were changing with the elevation of Infantino to publisher. I wonder if Giordano and Boltinoff would have had the same kind of power as, say, Weisinger or Schwartz, who probably still had a lot to say about how their titles were run. |
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Post by zaku on Aug 26, 2018 17:12:14 GMT -5
It seems like I remember a story from World's Finest 251 (?) where Speedy appeared in the Green Arrow/Black Canary story and it mentioned or dealt with his addiction and relationship with Ollie? I have been looking for a back issue and on Ebay this issue usually goes for more than I want to spend. I had a copy when I was little and read it until it fell apart, ha! I found this image... Is this what you are referring to?  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 7:53:14 GMT -5
zaku that is it! Thanks for posting!
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Post by zaku on Aug 27, 2018 8:31:52 GMT -5
zaku that is it! Thanks for posting! You are welcome  ! According to the excellent Mike's Amazing World Of Comics, before that story Oliver and Roy had already met in Action Comics #436 (but I can't find any info about). Perhaps Crimebuster, who reviewed the issue, can tell us if they referenced the drug thing..? |
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 27, 2018 10:43:42 GMT -5
No, there's no reference to the drug thing. Ollie in a thought balloon mentions that he hasn't seen or heard from Roy ever since Roy set off to do his own thing - and there's a footnote explaining it happened in GL/GA #86 - but there's no reference to what happened in that story.
At the end of the issue, Roy again takes off, saying he needs to be alone for awhile, as he's working really hard as the drummer in a rock band called Great Frog. I... guess that didn't work out!
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Post by shaxper on Aug 27, 2018 10:43:53 GMT -5
zaku that is it! Thanks for posting! You are welcome ! According to the excellent Mike's Amazing World Of Comics, before that story Oliver and Roy had already met in Action Comics #436 (but I can't find any info about). Perhaps Crimebuster, who reviewed the issue, can tell us if they referenced the drug thing..? I'm not Scott, but I did check. No, it is explained that they haven't seen each other in a while, but the drugs are never mentioned:  By the end, we have a tension between them and an explanation for why they won't see much of each other without the drugs ever getting referenced or directly implied:  EDIT: Whoops! Looks like CB and I responded at the same time. |
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 27, 2018 11:22:33 GMT -5
I wonder if there's a list of fictional bands from comics. I feel like Marvel and DC were doing this stuff all the time with their teen characters, and then never mentioning it again. At least Archie has owned it and is constantly bringing back their goofy teen bands.
We need a DC/Marvel battle of the bands with Great Frog, and Rick Jones, and whatever other stupid bands the old squares writing these comics came up with.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 27, 2018 11:53:31 GMT -5
I wonder if there's a list of fictional bands from comics. I feel like Marvel and DC were doing this stuff all the time with their teen characters, and then never mentioning it again. At least Archie has owned it and is constantly bringing back their goofy teen bands. We need a DC/Marvel battle of the bands with Great Frog, and Rick Jones, and whatever other stupid bands the old squares writing these comics came up with. Off the top of my head, DC could muster up the Maniaks, the Oliver Twists ( Batman 222), Jimmy Olsen (in several incarnations), Pat Boone, Johnny Dune, and Tino Manarry from Challengers of the Unknown.
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Post by zaku on Aug 27, 2018 12:09:25 GMT -5
...Ok, did anyone in-universe ever point out what a jerk Oliver was? After endangering an orphan with a life of crime-fighting, he never checked if he was fine, considering that Roy was an ex-addict..? Really, it would have been better if he stayed with (checking DC Wiki..) the tribe that had raised him after his parents' death! |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 7, 2018 19:24:50 GMT -5
Teen Titans #39 (June 1972)  "Awake, Barbaric Titan!" Script: Bob Haney Pencils: George Tuska Inks: Nick Cardy Colors: ? Letters: John Costanza grade: D- We've seen this book wrestling with its identity for more than two years now, and we're still no closer to a final direction for the series with this odd outing, in which the horror elements are completely abandoned, and Gnarrk The Cave Teen is back and central to this story after his forgettable first appearance a full year earlier. I mean...why? Sure, Gnarrk is polished and classy now:  but he's essentially just a DC version of the X-Men's Beast, and rather than functioning as part of the team, he takes center stage as the team works around him and his quest for identity in modern society. The big solution at the end -- you can neither be a caveman nor an intellectual pacifist. Instead, "A real man has both brains AND brawn!" Not sure I can get behind that message, myself. And that's most of what this issue is. I mean, there's a globe-trotting adventure story framing all of this in which modern day Wild West Bandits utilize a helicopter, a secret hidden cave, and an easily misled lost tribe of natives to cover their tracks that feels straight out of a Carl Fallberg Mickey Mouse adventure of the 1940s, but it isn't particularly well done. Respect for the attempt, though. It's just a very very forgettable story centered around a very very forgettable character. Unfortunate during a stretch in which we've had some issues where Haney really and truly hit it right. This is clearly not one of those issues. Important Details:- Whoops. Donna's full name is now given as "Donna Drake". - Implied that Gnarrk has been a full member of the team since Teen Titans #33 and just hasn't been featured in the past few stories for some reason. Fortunately, this is the last we will be seeing of the character until the Bob Rozakis reboot. Minor Details:- Haney tries to be clever in explaining the limitations of Kid Flash's powers  ...all while Mr. Jupiter somehow stopped him before he was able to run off? A few pages later, a native clubs him over the head while he's running. This story makes that little sense. - What is Haney doing with Mr. Jupiter? We've gotten the sense over the past few issues that the guy is a bit of a creep, but it's never acknowledged by the Titans nor by the narration. I keep passing it off as being a product of the time period. But Haney really pours it on throughout this issue:   And the most glaring example of the issue comes after the natives have set up a gauntlet for beating and killing the Titans while Gnarrk debates about using violence to solve his problems. From behind a locked door, Mr. Jupiter comes up with this solution:   ...and it fails. Lilith is immediately clubbed on the head. Is Haney deliberately trying to get the readers to turn on Mr. Jupiter? Might make sense. Mr. Jupiter was introduced very shortly after Haney had been booted from the book, and he was the means of taking the team in a new, un-Haney direction. Haney might have a very personal stake in ensuring the character doesn't stick around long enough to undermine his vision for the team again. I am skipping the Hawk and Dove backup features in this issue as they do not directly pertain to the Teen Titans. However, this is my first time reading the origin of Hawk and Dove (via a retelling), and I'm amazed at just how lame their origin is. A random "voice" that just gives them costumes and powers out of nowhere? Truly forgettable issue all around. It actually hurt to read this one. |
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Post by Farrar on Nov 7, 2018 22:35:00 GMT -5
Teen Titans #39 (June 1972) Important Details:- Whoops. Donna's full name is finally given as "Donna Drake". Guess someone missed that note later down the road. Wolfman named her "Donna Troy" back in the second story in Teen Titans #22. So "Drake" here (by Haney) is the mistake. Excellent review/analysis, always glad to see new activity in this thread. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 8, 2018 6:05:43 GMT -5
Teen Titans #39 (June 1972) Important Details:- Whoops. Donna's full name is finally given as "Donna Drake". Guess someone missed that note later down the road. Wolfman named her "Donna Troy" back in the second story in Teen Titans #22. So "Drake" here (by Haney) is the mistake. Excellent review/analysis, always glad to see new activity in this thread. You are absolutely correct. I really should read my own reviews on the issues I decide to reference 😂 |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 8, 2018 8:50:15 GMT -5
I wonder if there's a list of fictional bands from comics. I feel like Marvel and DC were doing this stuff all the time with their teen characters, and then never mentioning it again. At least Archie has owned it and is constantly bringing back their goofy teen bands. We need a DC/Marvel battle of the bands with Great Frog, and Rick Jones, and whatever other stupid bands the old squares writing these comics came up with. Off the top of my head, DC could muster up the Maniaks, the Oliver Twists ( Batman 222), Jimmy Olsen (in several incarnations), Pat Boone, Johnny Dune, and Tino Manarry from Challengers of the Unknown.
There was another Beatles analogue in an earlier Titans issue, which someone could probably scroll back through this thread and find... I wonder if there were as many of those as there were random races that lived on Venus? |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 8, 2018 9:00:10 GMT -5
There was another Beatles analogue in an earlier Titans issue, which someone could probably scroll back through this thread and find The Titans met a fictitious glam band in Showcase #59, but they weren't particularly similar to The Beatles. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 8, 2018 9:07:49 GMT -5
There was another Beatles analogue in an earlier Titans issue, which someone could probably scroll back through this thread and find The Titans met a fictitious glam band in Showcase #22, but they weren't particularly similar to The Beatles. That's the one I was thinking of (the link is right, it's Showcase 59)... the Flips. I guess they were more set up for the Titans to impersonate them looking back on it. |
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