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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 5:55:51 GMT -5
"A Killer Called Honey Bun"
Was the first Teen Titans Story that I read as a kid and one of my favorite stories because of that goofy "Honey Buns" thing that trying to kill the Titans. It was a fun story to read, very fast read, exciting, and full of action.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 30, 2016 20:29:07 GMT -5
Teen Titans #10 (August 1967) "Scramble at Wildcat!" Script: Bob Haney Pencils: Irv Novick Inks: Nick Cardy Colors: ? Letters: Stan Starkman grade: D Without a doubt, the worst Titans story yet for oh so many reasons. For starters, whereas last issue broke with the traditional structure of the Titans preaching respect for authority and abstaining from youth culture, this one runs headlong in the other direction as Robin becomes so enmeshed in teen culture as to join a motocross competition, and the teen Robin "helps" by competing in his competition is whiny and dislikes his kindly grandfather hosting the event because, "he and I don't speak the same jive!" This is presented without judgment, by the way, and is never again addressed anywhere in the story. Hey kids, it's okay to loathe the grandparents who do everything for you because they don't exactly understand you. But what's weirder yet is how far this story goes to attempt to capture teen culture this time around. Usually, by the third act, there's an adult behind all of this who needs to be taken down, but this time it's just Scorcher, an unruly biker teen, and the full extent of the fighting in this story is Robin trying to beat him in a race. No superheroics of any kind to be found in this story until the very very end. It really seems like Haney just plum forgot these guys were superheroes. We first see this when Scorcher crashes the competition uninvited: "We've got no out, man" and Robin just stands in the background gawking. But then, during the competition, Robin watches Scorcher cheat in ways that could potentially seriously injure the other racers. Does he stop to help? No. He keeps racing. And then Scorcher attempts to kill him TWICE, and Robin's only thought is of winning, never of "Uh, I think I'd better forget the race and take this guy out." Scorcher goes on to attempt to murder Robin once more, and even ties Aqualad to the roof of a car in the searing sun so that he'll dry out and die painfully, but the Titans just laugh off his capture in the end. No big deal -- it's a fun teen mag, right? Oh, and the grandfather has some subplot about wanting to salvage his lost fortune and revitalize his ghost town by striking oil. this gets mentioned exactly once, is completely forgotten throughout the story and, by the close, he randomly does strike oil. Just...bad writing. To be fair, we get this announcement in the letter column: The reference is, no doubt, to the Teen Titans episodes of the animated Superman/Aquaman Hour that will begin debuting in September (this issue hit stands in May). Haney wrote each of those episodes, so it's entirely possible he was busy working with the studio to plan out a specific approach to the animated Titans and wasn't able to give this script the usual amount of attention as a result. Important Details:- First appearance of Robin's Bat-Cycle: not to be confused with this Batcycle: - From the letter column: So this was Wonder Girl's semi-official (and thoroughly lazy) origin story until Marv Wolfman stepped in with Teen Titans #23. Department of Shameless Bat-Promotion:Efforts to plug and align with the television series continue in this issue. First off, that billboard is still the secret exit to Titans' Lair: But far more obnoxious are Haney's efforts to make Robin talk like Burt Ward: Department of Being Worried About Wonder Girl:On the one hand, this is the best and least sexist depiction of Wondy we've yet seen. We're frequently reminded that she's the powerhouse of the team, taking on Scorcher's entire gang in a single panel: and generally being the one who turns the tides in this issue while everyone else falls into Scorcher's helpless traps. This seems really progressive for comics of the time. Her characterization has changed too. Instead of admiring her reflection and talking about boys, she corrects Kid Flash's grammar and uses her intelligence to save Aqualad: but, despite all this, she's still talked down to as the "girl" of the team: and this panel might be the most creepy part of the entire issue: Holy sexualizing a minor, Batman. DO NOT let Old Scorcher "get vertical" again! Department of Aquatic Desperation:Aqualad's only trick this issue is sliding down a water slide used at the oil drilling site to fly into the bad guys. Beyond that, his special abilities were more used against him this issue when Scorcher left him out to dry in the desert heat. Haney Desperation Level: none. Plot synopsis: Robin is invited to a Motocross race. The Titans come along. A kid with serious parenting issues tries to immobilize his opponents, kill all the Titans, and randomly go on a robbery spree with his gang. It's every bit as bad as it sounds.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 22:16:12 GMT -5
Teen Titans #10 (August 1967) "Scramble at Wildcat!" Script: Bob Haney Pencils: Irv Novick Inks: Nick Cardy Colors: ? Letters: Stan Starkman grade: D Department of Shameless Bat-Promotion:Efforts to plug and align with the television series continue in this issue. First off, that billboard is still the secret exit to Titans' Lair: I got one question ... Did DC Comics got permission to promote Adam West's Batman TV Show at the time when this comic book got published? ... I thought it was a no-no to even advertise it. This panel came to me a complete surprise and could please give me a little bit of background info on this.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 30, 2016 22:34:06 GMT -5
Teen Titans #10 (August 1967) "Scramble at Wildcat!" Script: Bob Haney Pencils: Irv Novick Inks: Nick Cardy Colors: ? Letters: Stan Starkman grade: D Department of Shameless Bat-Promotion:Efforts to plug and align with the television series continue in this issue. First off, that billboard is still the secret exit to Titans' Lair: I got one question ... Did DC Comics got permission to promote Adam West's Batman TV Show at the time when this comic book got published? ... I thought it was a no-no to even advertise it. This panel came to me a complete surprise and could please give me a little bit of background info on this. No. There was no such restriction.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 7:55:07 GMT -5
I got one question ... Did DC Comics got permission to promote Adam West's Batman TV Show at the time when this comic book got published? ... I thought it was a no-no to even advertise it. This panel came to me a complete surprise and could please give me a little bit of background info on this. No. There was no such restriction. I did not know that ... I'm a bit surprised by all this and thanks for informing me.
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Post by Farrar on Aug 31, 2016 11:47:33 GMT -5
I got one question ... Did DC Comics got permission to promote Adam West's Batman TV Show at the time when this comic book got published? ... I thought it was a no-no to even advertise it. This panel came to me a complete surprise and could please give me a little bit of background info on this. Haney filled his books--Teen Titans, Metamorpho--with many (then-current) pop culture references. So the Batman TV craze fit right in! And as Slam said, there was no restriction--DC and Dozier (show's producer) were in synch.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 31, 2016 20:25:05 GMT -5
Teen Titans #11 (October 1967) "Monster Bait!" Script: Bob Haney Pencils: Irv Novick Inks: Nick Cardy Colors: ? Letters: Stan Starkman grade: D+ Speedy's back for a guest appearance (he's hanging out with the Titans over summer break), leaving us to wonder why Haney is still dragging his heels adding Speedy to the team when fans have been demanding it since the team's first appearance three years earlier. Meanwhile, the title once again flip-flops between presenting teens who are a voice for youth culture encouraging kids to stand apart from (and sometimes against) their elders, and presenting teens who are obedient, patriotic, and abhor all things teen culture while being celebrated by teens as ideal role models all the same. In this case, it's the latter once again. While there's no government agency being endorsed this time, we begin with the teens all dreaming of...holding summer jobs: and avoiding teen culture and jargon at all costs. Robin even correctly uses the word "whom" in this issue. And we revert to the format of a good, honest kid being manipulated by evil adults and being unfairly judged until he can prove how good-natured and obedient to proper authority he is by the close. Actually, this time around, the kid trying to protect his father from being judged for his criminal past feels like a carbon copy of the kid from Brave and the Bold #60. The rest of the story is just...silly. The Titans are out to prove that a Locke Ness Monster type creature isn't real and end up in this ridiculous situation: Everything about this--even the exaggerated art in this panel--feels like a total rip-off of Scooby Doo ...except that Scooby Doo is still more than a year away. Strange coincidence, or did Haney hear someone's idea while working with the creators and producers of the Superman/Aquaman Hour cartoon? Speaking of which, that will be airing two months from now and will be my next review in this thread. Meanwhile, though Novick's art seems nowhere near as impressive as it did earlier on, Cardy's inks and whoever is doing the coloring compensate nicely at times: In the end, this felt like another rushed/lazy issue, likely due to Haney working on the animated Superman/Aquaman Hour episodes at this time. He even jokingly acknowledges how much he's half-assing this issue with his final narrator's caption: Important Details:- Though I doubt Haney realized it, this story presents the first time the Titans see each other out of costume: Still no indication as to whether any of them are aware of Robin and Kid Flash's secret identities (and Wonder Girl and Aqualad don't have any). Minor Details:- Speedy indicates that their previous adventure ( Teen Titans #4) took place a year ago, apparently still forgetting that story was somehow set in 1964 so that it could take place during the Olympics, not 1966. - The letters page refutes a fan's suggestion that Supergirl should join the team because she is in college and, thus, isn't a teen. Apparently whoever wrote that response didn't read Teen Titans #9, where the team works with a bunch of teens on Spring Break from college. Department of Shameless Bat-Promotion:We get yet another glimpse of the billboard disguising the entrance to Titan Lair. The Billboard has changed, but it's still advertising the Batman TV show. Department of Worrying About "Wonderchick"Once again, no emphasis on the posing in front of mirrors and general boy-craziness that used to be Wondergirl's default behaviors. She's generally a non-entity in this issue, though Queen Hippolyta does leave a message criticizing her for wearing too much lipstick on their last adventure. Department of Aquatic Desperation:Aqualad gets used really well here, first subtly moving the Titans' raft for them without blowing their covers: and then helping Speedy pursue the villain across a lake: which never feels desperate because the entire story is set on a lake in order for their to be a knock-off Locke Ness Monster. Haney desperation level: none Plot synopsis: The Titans are summoned by a teen working for a scientist who is being blackmailed by bad guys to steal the scientist's plans for a deadly nerve gas. If he doesn't do it, they'll reveal to the world that his dad, a hometown hero of some kind, has a criminal past. The Titans intervene, there's a fake Locke Ness Monster, and it all works out by the close.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 3, 2016 12:12:33 GMT -5
The Superman/Aquaman Hour featuring The Teen Titans (1967) writer: George Kashdan grade: D In the Fall of 1967, The Superman/Aquaman Hour's rotation of animated shorts featuring other DC superheroes included the Teen Titans on September 9th, 19th, and 29th. I was mistaken earlier in these reviews when I believed Bob Haney wrote these episodes. Oddly enough, while Haney did script many of the episodes featured during this time, the writing chores for the three Teen Titans episodes were handled by Teen Titans editor George Kashdan. It's an odd and largely forgettable series. At only 7 minutes long each, these adventures are tedious and hard to pay attention to without one's mind wandering due to lazy animation, lazy plots, lazy designs, and lazy voice acting. Nothing about these episodes felt quality at all. If only Kid Flash's animated costume had been the worst of it: Just a small example of how bad this was: And Robin, absent due to licensing issues, leaves the team feeling woefully incomplete, even if Speedy finally gets a permanent space on the team in his absence. There ARE some positives to these adventures. The generic/lazy approach discards what I consider to be the most obnoxious aspect of the comic: the attempts to make it accessible to kids. This Titans' Lair is no clubhouse; it's a straight-up sci-fi hero hideout, complete with whirring industrial sized computers and tele-video screens: Even the Titans' helicopter got tricked out to the sci-fi extreme: and these Titans are fighting aliens, dinosaurs, and lost races of mutants, not answering fan mail and aiding troubled teens. It's real super-heroics, even if it's done poorly. Fortunately, it sure looks like the comic series is heading in that direction as of next issue. Department of Aquatic Desperation:Best moment of the entire series is this little nod to the audience about the need to provide an aquatic villain once per episode: Department of Worrying About WonderchickWhat is going on here?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 17:27:33 GMT -5
I was 8 years old when this Cartoon came on and I thought it was good at the time when it's aired and knowing that this was a groundbreaking attempt to animate Super Heroes back then I give it a C to C Plus grade. I agree with your take on Kid Flash at the time but I think they did that so that teen hero can relate to his mentor the Flash who happen to have a red costume too.
To me these cartoons are part of Filmaton line-up were excellent back then and I still enjoy watching these cartoons even today. I understand your grade of D and I think you gave it too harsh of a grade and I have to respect it as it is. I loved them then and I still loved them nearly 50 years later.
I'm glad that you took the time to review these toons.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 3, 2016 18:35:13 GMT -5
I was 8 years old when this Cartoon came on and I thought it was good at the time when it's aired and knowing that this was a groundbreaking attempt to animate Super Heroes back then I give it a C to C Plus grade. I agree with your take on Kid Flash at the time but I think they did that so that teen hero can relate to his mentor the Flash who happen to have a red costume too. To me these cartoons are part of Filmaton line-up were excellent back then and I still enjoy watching these cartoons even today. I understand your grade of D and I think you gave it too harsh of a grade and I have to respect it as it is. I loved them then and I still loved them nearly 50 years later. I'm glad that you took the time to review these toons. I hear your point about context, but I compare these to what the Fleischer Brothers were doing 25 years earlier and it's even more of a disgrace. These cartoons were cheap by pretty much every standard. I'm glad these were a cherished part of your childhood. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Action Ace on Sept 3, 2016 18:59:24 GMT -5
If the narrator sounds familiar, yes it is Ted Knight. He would still be around by the time of the Super Friends debut in 1973.
The voice of Speedy (and Atom from the JLA show) is by Pat Harrington. His main claim to fame is the role of Schneider on One Day at a Time.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 3, 2016 19:13:22 GMT -5
If the narrator sounds familiar, yes it is Ted Knight. He would still be around by the time of the Super Friends debut in 1973. ...but not in costume as Starman
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Post by shaxper on Sept 11, 2016 22:45:34 GMT -5
Teen Titans #12 (December 1967) "Large Trouble in Space-Ville!" Script: Bob Haney Pencils: Irv Novick Inks: Nick Cardy Colors: ? Letters: Morris Waldinger grade: F I was excited for this issue, as the cover alone makes it clear that we're moving away from the relatively grounded premise of helping ordinary teens with their problems, and into space, alien beings, and all the standard superhero fare, but I'm truly sorry to say this is officially the worst Titans story I've ever read. Up to now, Haney's strength has lied in his ability to create compelling, rich teenagers that the Titans would aid, as well as clever action sequences. Both are absent here. And Irv Novick's art grows less impressive with the issue. But, worst yet, this issue truly feels like it was written by a six year old. Ya know what? Screw format. Let's go right for the plot synopsis: So a radio personality clearly based on some celebrity DJ of the time that I do not recognize is, for some reason, broadcasting from space...by himself. I guess he learned how to pilot and operate a spacecraft just for a stupid publicity stunt and, at the same time, figured out how to play records in zero gravity, but an alien being has come along and ordered the DJ to work secret codes into his broadcasts, informing a human agent on Earth what to pilfer for him. And, back on Earth, this agent has been equipped with some kind of anti-gravity weapon, allowing him to do the pilfering: Aside from all the obvious stupidity already at work, one has to wonder why, when the aliens hired the Earth agent and gave him the weapon, they didn't just give him a list of what to take right then and there, or even just say "Earth's greatest monuments." And, come to think of it, what do the aliens need with these monuments anyway? And, just to give the whole thing an air of credibility, Haney even has one alien explain that the reason they don't go to Earth and do it themselves is that they cannot survive Earth's harsh atmosphere: Note the irony in his explaining this to Robin, who is wearing no pants in the depths of space. I'm sorry to say it gets dumber still, from Kid Flash running down the anti-gravity beam: to the Titans suddenly knowing how to operate a spaceship and being able to launch one on last minute notice: (launching so quickly, in fact, that they didn't have time to concoct a plan) to the Earth agent using his gravity beam to shoot the Titans clear into other provinces and countries: They presumably start in Cairo, Kid Flash is blasted into some generic desert, Aqualad is blasted clear to the Nile (a pretty impressive distance away, and also a hilarious convenience), and Wonder Girl appears to be blasted straight to the Arabian Peninsula, where she encounters a walking stereotype that also happens to be a pedophile: It seriously feels like Haney was busy working on the Superman/Aquaman Hour and asked one of his kids to assemble this story. It's just that bad. Important Details:Whereas previous issues have suggested that Titans' Lair is relatively small and uncomplicated, the Titans now have a workout room: Department of Shameless Bat-Promotion:In addition to seeing the secret billboard entrance yet again, we get this panel that actually suggests Haney's never even seen the Batman show: Department of Aquatic Desperation:Again, right into the damn Nile (where he encounters a hungry crocodile): Haney desperation: highDepartment of Worrying About Wonder Chick:Not so bad this time. She's far more addicted to music and dancing than the rest of the team, but no boy craziness this time around; just a stereotypical Sheik trying to rape her. Also, she's apparently incapable of stopping her own sneeze (??): What the heck is going on, here? Plot synopsis: (covered above)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 1:32:27 GMT -5
"Large Trouble in Space-Ville!"
I remember reading this story and it's got to be Worst Story that I ever read and you gave it a F ... I would grade it F Minus! ... I paid a Nickel for it out of the resale section for it and the cover caught my eye and deceive me. Man, I was dead wrong and I wished that I hadn't paid a nickel for it back in 1969 (I think).
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Post by shaxper on Sept 25, 2016 9:08:25 GMT -5
Probably worth mentioning that, around this time, in the pages of Justice League of America, we saw this story: depicting the Earth 2 Robin, grown up and having assumed Batman's mantle. This continuity has no bearing on that of the Teen Titans, and neither the writer, artist, nor editor were in any way involved with the Teen Titans, but it reaffirmed the popular idea that Robin was a junior Batman who would one day assume his legacy. We're still a long way from seeing a Dick Grayson devoted to the idea of assuming his own identity apart from Batman.
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