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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 6, 2016 13:47:41 GMT -5
Or - and hear me out here - we could let other people decide for themselves what bothers them, instead of having to run it past a committee of StraightWhiteDudes first? Because if a woman, or several women*, decide that something bothers them, I don't think it's my place to tell them that it shouldn't. People doing that is something that makes me SMH. * or non-white people, or LGBT people, or etc etc In the instance of the X-Men ads, why does Fox have to apologize to them for them getting offended? Well, they have to because it would be bad public relations not to, so while they may want to tell those offended to "get over it and go f#$% themselves", they'll bend a knee and beg forgiveness in order to sell a few more tickets, and the special snowflakes will once more have gotten what they want through intimidation and bullying, the very things they decry when done against them. So I guess my problem is less with them being bothered about something and more about what happens after they take offense. Do what most of us do: call Nick Spencer a douchebag in an online forum, explain why he's a moron for suggesting the story can ever make sense, create a new avatar to use for a while, and move on with your life. Isn't this how the much vaunted "Invisible hand of the market" supposed to work? Fox is responding to potential economic pressure. The people who were offended, rightly or wrongly, are potentially looking at exerting economic pressure. I thought we were supposed to all be good little capitalists in America and let the free market have its way. Maybe Marvel should tell all the "special snowflakes" unreasonably offended by Hydra Cap to "get over it and go f#$% themselves". |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 6, 2016 14:19:14 GMT -5
In my experience the people who can't figure out why others become offended at stuff that they deem trivial, inevitably become deeply offended at extremely trivial shit. Glass houses, throwers of stones, physician heal, etc., etc. On the nosey! |
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Post by Spike-X on Jun 6, 2016 17:50:33 GMT -5
Or - and hear me out here - we could let other people decide for themselves what bothers them, instead of having to run it past a committee of StraightWhiteDudes first? Because if a woman, or several women*, decide that something bothers them, I don't think it's my place to tell them that it shouldn't. People doing that is something that makes me SMH. * or non-white people, or LGBT people, or etc etc In the instance of the X-Men ads, why does Fox have to apologize to them for them getting offended? Well, they have to because it would be bad public relations not to, so while they may want to tell those offended to "get over it and go f#$% themselves", they'll bend a knee and beg forgiveness in order to sell a few more tickets, and the special snowflakes will once more have gotten what they want through intimidation and bullying, the very things they decry when done against them. It's 'intimidation and bullying' to tell somebody, "Hey, I don't like this image you're using to promote your movie, maybe you could choose another one?" Wow. Special snowflakes indeed. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 6, 2016 18:22:10 GMT -5
In the instance of the X-Men ads, why does Fox have to apologize to them for them getting offended? Well, they have to because it would be bad public relations not to, so while they may want to tell those offended to "get over it and go f#$% themselves", they'll bend a knee and beg forgiveness in order to sell a few more tickets, and the special snowflakes will once more have gotten what they want through intimidation and bullying, the very things they decry when done against them. It's 'intimidation and bullying' to tell somebody, "Hey, I don't like this image you're using to promote your movie, maybe you could choose another one?" Wow. Special snowflakes indeed. It's not politically correct to use the term "special snowflakes" for certain special snowflakes, no matter how accurate it is. |
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Post by spoon on Jun 6, 2016 18:51:26 GMT -5
In the instance of the X-Men ads, why does Fox have to apologize to them for them getting offended? Well, they have to because it would be bad public relations not to, so while they may want to tell those offended to "get over it and go f#$% themselves", they'll bend a knee and beg forgiveness in order to sell a few more tickets, and the special snowflakes will once more have gotten what they want through intimidation and bullying, the very things they decry when done against them. It's 'intimidation and bullying' to tell somebody, "Hey, I don't like this image you're using to promote your movie, maybe you could choose another one?" Wow. Special snowflakes indeed. Regardless of whether one thinks the billboard is or isn't appropriate, I think that "Hey, I don't like this image you're using to promote your movie, maybe you could choose another one?" is essentially a reverse strawman. By that, I mean you're attributing too much politeness and interest in dialogue to the anti-billboard people. For the most part, the criticism of the billboard that I saw online skipped right to describing whoever was responsible for the billboard as loathsome sexist bigots who intentionally did something crappy. The demand was to take the billboard down or else. I didn't see much if anything the lines of talking out the reasons for the billboard, trying to figure out if their were non-sexist reasons for the billboard design, wanting to have a give and take with Fox, etc. It seems pretty obvious why that image is one that might be extracted from the film for a billboard. First, X-Men: Apocalypse is supposed to be about an ominous threat. That image is one of the most ominous and frightening from the film. Second, unlike many other possible choices, that image goes very well with the geometry of a billboard: wide and short. I think it's pretty likely that it was an artistic choice without misogynistic intent. The pressure was very much along the lines of trigger warning controversies with college professors. So often, the trigger warning situation seems to boil down to labeling a professor a terrible persona and demanding he/she be fired. It's rarely a matter or exchanging views, and living with the result. And it's pretty awful, because the psychiatric consensus is that exposure rather than hiding is the way to heal from trauma. Trigger warnings are about exercise political power, not an empirical approach to healing. |
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Post by Spike-X on Jun 6, 2016 18:58:57 GMT -5
While that's most likely the case, my understanding is that the people who protested the billboard see that as part of the problem; they didn't even consider the aspect of, "Do we really need to be adding yet another image of violence against women to the general climate of society?"
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 6, 2016 19:17:14 GMT -5
In my experience the people who can't figure out why others become offended at stuff that they deem trivial, inevitably become deeply offended at extremely trivial shit. Glass houses, throwers of stones, physician heal, etc., etc. I give you Donald J. Trump. |
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Post by spoon on Jun 6, 2016 19:18:42 GMT -5
While that's most likely the case, my understanding is that the people who protested the billboard see that as part of the problem; they didn't even consider the aspect of, "Do we really need to be adding yet another image of violence against women to the general climate of society?" But that strengthens my argument. The view that the ad is intentionally misogynistic is inherently in conflict with the argument that is harm is due to failure to realize the unintentional negative gender impact. Persuasion and browbeating someone into submission are two different things. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 6, 2016 19:44:07 GMT -5
Great thread idea, Captain, even if I agree with you that it's a volatile subject.
A lot of things have me SMH. The ones that come from the opposite side of the political or social spectrum I fully expect and accept as unfortunately unavoidable. The ones that come from my end of said spectrum I find exasperating.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 6, 2016 20:06:39 GMT -5
This will probably be my only comment in the thread and directly relating to the X-Men fiasco. I think the worst and most dangerous part of this supposed controversy is paying to much attention to fictional events that never happened as a spearhead for real life problems, issues, and behavior among the human race.
There's a thousand year old fictional mutant overlord with god like powers attacking a blue mutant gal that can assume the form of any living creature just doesn't register on any of my meters of importance.
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Post by Spike-X on Jun 6, 2016 20:13:39 GMT -5
There's a thousand year old fictional mutant overlord with god like powers attacking a blue mutant gal that can assume the form of any living creature just doesn't register on any of my meters of importance. I'm pretty sure that's exactly the kind of thing that the people who some like to sneeringly dismiss as 'Social Justice Warriors' mean when they talk about privilege. We're guys. We have the luxury of being able to explain this away, or dismiss it as unimportant. Other people have to live with these kinds of images as the background radiation of their lives. And like any radiation, once it builds to a certain point it becomes toxic and can't be ignored any more. |
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Post by The Captain on Jun 6, 2016 21:01:24 GMT -5
The ones that come from the opposite side of the political or social spectrum I fully expect and accept as unfortunately unavoidable. The ones that come from my end of said spectrum I find exasperating. I'm with you completely on this. |
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Post by foxley on Jun 7, 2016 3:05:20 GMT -5
I looked at the title of this thread and wondered why someone was devoting a thread to the Sydney Morning Herald (one of Australia's premier daily parers and commonly abbreviated to SMH). I guess I am out of touch with kids today and all of their hip slang.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 8:24:06 GMT -5
23 skidoo to that, fox.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 7, 2016 8:31:50 GMT -5
I can't tell the difference between 23 skidoo, Heinz 57 and 2Pac. I'm old. |
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