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Post by shaxper on Sept 29, 2014 6:44:41 GMT -5
Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #5 This is one odd issue, though not for any reasons relating to Shang Chi. As Tony Isabella explains at the start, the Sons of the Tiger feature has been delayed until next month. The filler story? An old Stan Lee Captain America adventure from Tales of Suspense #85. The rationale? The antagonist, "Batroc the Leaper," was "master of a French skill known as savate." Who knew? The Shang-Chi story proves less interesting in contrast. "Two Goals to Seek / One Path to Glory" writer: Doug Moench pencils: Keith Pollard inks: Bob McLeod grade: C- Still getting his feet wet after having been abruptly dropped into writing half a dozen features all at once, Moench still feels like he's simply filling up space on this one, getting to the end of the script so that he can get to work on a title he deems more important. This one begins as an inevitable cliche -- Shang Chi goes to watch a Martial Arts film and ends up on the set of one. Laughably predictable at first, and we're all waiting for the moment when the director will decide Shang Chi is destined to be his next star, but (fortunately) that moment never comes. Halfway through, Moench attempts to actually make this story be about something, though it's hardly stunning. So Martial Arts actor Kwai Loo is but the next in a long line of Si-Fan martial artists that were all somehow Shang-Chi's greatest rival, even though they've never been mentioned before. This one was even ordered to kill Shang-Chi after he rebelled against Fu Manchu in his first adventure, and yet this guy is no match for the random assassin sent to kill him. For a moment, this story seems to be paying a veiled homage to Bruce Lee and the urban legends about his attempts to get away from the Triad criminal organization, but it's clumsy and unfocused in its delivery, ultimately landing on the out-of-nowhere assertion that the director who didn't value his actor was the one truly responsible for his death. Again, Moench was producing these stories into the wee hours of the night in order to make deadline and likely never gave this script a second draft.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 29, 2014 8:07:14 GMT -5
Ze Capitaine America fillaire seems odd indeed, but 'oo could reezist an appearance by ze unique Batroc zee lepair?
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Post by shaxper on Sept 29, 2014 8:11:07 GMT -5
Leprosy is no joking matter, sir!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 29, 2014 14:38:34 GMT -5
Zut alors! I jumped right into zees one!
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Post by paulie on Oct 7, 2014 8:32:03 GMT -5
Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #5 This is one odd issue, though not for any reasons relating to Shang Chi. As Tony Isabella explains at the start, the Sons of the Tiger feature has been delayed until next month. The filler story? An old Stan Lee Captain America adventure from Tales of Suspense #85. The rationale? The antagonist, "Batroc the Leaper," was "master of a French skill known as savate." Who knew? The Shang-Chi story proves less interesting in contrast. "Two Goals to Seek / One Path to Glory" writer: Doug Moench pencils: Keith Pollard inks: Bob McLeod grade: C- Still getting his feet wet after having been abruptly dropped into writing half a dozen features all at once, Moench still feels like he's simply filling up space on this one, getting to the end of the script so that he can get to work on a title he deems more important. This one begins as an inevitable cliche -- Shang Chi goes to watch a Martial Arts film and ends up on the set of one. Laughably predictable at first, and we're all waiting for the moment when the director will decide Shang Chi is destined to be his next star, but (fortunately) that moment never comes. Halfway through, Moench attempts to actually make this story be about something, though it's hardly stunning. So Martial Arts actor Kwai Loo is but the next in a long line of Si-Fan martial artists that were all somehow Shang-Chi's greatest rival, even though they've never been mentioned before. This one was even ordered to kill Shang-Chi after he rebelled against Fu Manchu in his first adventure, and yet this guy is no match for the random assassin sent to kill him. For a moment, this story seems to be paying a veiled homage to Bruce Lee and the urban legends about his attempts to get away from the Triad criminal organization, but it's clumsy and unfocused in its delivery, ultimately landing on the out-of-nowhere assertion that the director who didn't value his actor was the one truly responsible for his death. Again, Moench was producing these stories into the wee hours of the night in order to make deadline and likely never gave this script a second draft. We all know your love for the Marvel Black and White magazines that aren't named Savage Sword of Conan. But you were warned. DHoKF is pretty much terrible. And yet you persist. (sigh).
The worst part is that reading these might possibly be putting you off the real series.
Soldier on though... you have our moral support.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 11, 2014 0:45:54 GMT -5
Master of Kung Fu #23 "River of Death!" writer: Doug Moench pencils: Al Milgrom inks: Klaus Janson letters: John Costanza colors: Linda Lessmann editor: Roy Thomas grade: A- The first Doug Moench Shang-Chi story I've really enjoyed. Whereas the previous stories felt like filler, designed to meet a deadline while Moench gave more attention to the other projects he'd recently taken on for Marvel, this one genuinely feels different. Beyond being Moench's first multi-part story, it gives real attention to characterization in a meaningful way, with the bond between Shang-Chi and Sir Dennis and Blackjack Tarr really solidifying into something firmer than an alliance of mutual interest. Tarr puts aside his own inherent racism towards Asians in order to defend Shang-Chi from someone who is even more racist than he, and Shang-Chi saves Sir Dennis' life, not out of some sense of obligation nor for the sake of the mission, but simply because he doesn't want him to die. It's nice to finally see some growth in the relationships at the core of this series. As is typical for Moench in this era, the story is largely built around a series of visual concepts -- a riverboat in a South American jungle, and Shang-Chi fighting an alligator. This is now the second underwater predator Moench has had Shang-Chi take on, incidentally (see Master of Kung Fu #21 for the first). But it's a fun concept that really pays off. Additionally, Al Milgrom and Klaus Janson do a bang-up job on the art this time around. Really knock-your-socks-off quality. I'm surprised to not be disappointed by the absence of Gulacy here. Minor Details: - The Si Fan are way more incompetent here than previously depicted. They attack Shang-Chi clumsily and without any kind of plan, and one begs Shang-Chi not to hit him, gladly spilling the beans about Fu Manchu's plans. plot synopsis in one sentence: Sir Dennis, Blackjack Tarr, and Shang-Chi go on a mission to South America to stop Fu Manchu from meeting up with a high ranking Nazi officer in hiding who presumably has plans for a dangerous secret weapon to trade him, Sir Dennis hires an agent to take them down the river, the agent proves to be disturbingly racist, they engage the Si Fan, they learn Fu Manchu was never really there, the racist agent reveals himself to be the Nazi officer in disguise, he ditches our heroes and plans to trick Fu Manchu, but Fu Manchu has been monitoring the whole thing remotely. To be continued...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 2:36:06 GMT -5
This was the issue on the top of my read pile when I left off reading MoKF a while back. I need to pick up that reading again.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 11, 2014 9:17:43 GMT -5
This was the issue on the top of my read pile when I left off reading MoKF a while back. I need to pick up that reading again. -M Funny how we both paused at the same place. It really was becoming tedious reading there for a while. Supposedly though, the very next issue, Giant-Size #2, is where Moench really begins to come alive.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 0:43:09 GMT -5
Giant-Size Master of Kung Fu #2 I'm going to skip the two Yellow Claw reprints and get right to the good stuff... "The Devil-Doctor's Triumph" writer: Doug Moench pencils: Paul Gulacy inks: Jack Abel letters: Jean Simek colors: Petra Goldberg editor: Roy Thomas grade: A WOW. Aside from the fact that Moench continues to fill his stories with significant plot holes and logic gaps, this story pretty much did EVERYTHING right. You've got one of the most gorgeous marriages of art and words I've ever seen on a comic page. Moench and Gulacy achieve this amazing rhythm together that is positively enthralling. You've got the rest of the creative team experimenting too. Petra Goldberg seldom ever impresses me with her colors, but her skies are positively brilliant when Shang-Chi and Sandy first meet at that magical park bench. They look like they were actually painted on canvas with a robust mixture of deep blues and warm reds. I didn't think comic book production technology was sophisticated enough to pull something like this off in 1974. And Jean Simek lettering around a full page labyrinth? It's the kind of magic you could only pull off while working in a bullpen, with the full creative team right there, in the same office as you, and yet I've never seen anything like it before. You've got Moench FINALLY doing his homework on this property, making references back to the extremely significant events of the second issue (written by Englehart) and hinting at their importance to Shang-Chi, as well as creating a climactic struggle with the kind of method and elaborateness that's right out of the pages of a Sax Rohmer Fu Manchu novel. You've got the right tone for a Shang Chi story for once. It's not just martial arts scene after martial arts scene with no real plot. We're finally employing an espionage style backdrop to the whole thing. You've got Shang-Chi finally getting in a good confrontation with Fu Manchu and a logical explanation as to why Fu Manchu doesn't just kill him right then and there. It's all so very very well done. Of course, there are a few logic gaps in this story that really do bug me. Most are forgivable, but there are two I just couldn't get past: 1. Why wouldn't the scientist have announced that his secret project was to feed the hungry after all this time? I can see him being ashamed of his lack of progress, but once the American government alerted him to the fact that Fu Manchu was after him, and once his own daughter got involved, you'd think he'd just spill the beans and save everyone a lot of trouble. 2. Additionally, in one of Moench's very first Fu Manchu stories, a beautiful girl crosses paths with him, attempts to seduce him, and ends up being a Si Fan assassin. How would Shang-Chi not expect the same from Sandy, especially if meeting her while on route to rendezvous with Prof. Smith? No spoilers for those of you who haven't read this one yet (yes, you, mrp) but WOW. What an ending! Minor Details: - What I loved most about the previous story (MoKF #23) was that it showed a true bond beginning to develop among Shang-Chi, Blackjack Tarr, and Sir Dennis, but in this story, we learn that Sir Dennis put certain duplicitous plans in place to ensure Shang-Chi's cooperation, not considering him trustworthy. That irked me. - So what is the nature of Shang-Chi's partnership with Sir Dennis? At first, it appeared they were only teaming up to take down Fu Manchu together. Now Sir Dennis is recruiting him every time there's a plot that even loosely involves Fu Manchu. At what point does he start calling on Shang-Chi anytime it would be convenient to have a master of kung fu on assignment? And is Shang-Chi getting paid for any of this? The letter column for MoKF #23 suggested that a future story would address the fine details of where and how Shang-Chi lives. I look forward to that. plot synopsis in one sentence: Shang-Chi is recruited for a new assignment to help a defecting scientist out of China who has a secret he's developed that Fu Manchu wants, on route he falls in love with a stunning young martial artist named Sandy, they hit it off right away, Shang-Chi leaves to complete his mission yet remains captivated by Sandy, things go haywire, Sandy is brought back into the picture, and it all goes crazy from there.
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Post by JKCarrier on Nov 13, 2014 13:18:24 GMT -5
- What I loved most about the previous story (MoKF #23) was that it showed a true bond beginning to develop among Shang-Chi, Blackjack Tarr, and Sir Dennis, but in this story, we learn that Sir Dennis put certain duplicitous plans in place to ensure Shang-Chi's cooperation, not considering him trustworthy. That irked me. This is something that continues to come up over the course of the series. While Shang and Denis clearly like and respect each other, there's always a bit of tension between them. Sir Denis is motivated by traditional values of duty, patriotism, etc., while Shang follows his own idiosyncratic moral code. Their agendas mostly overlap, but Denis will sometimes feel the need to bend the truth, withhold information, or recontextualize a mission (e.g., framing it as something that will save innocent lives, rather than being just about spies and politics) in order to get Shang on board. You get the feeling that deep down, Denis wishes Shang would just be a good little soldier and do what he's told. And Shang must sometimes be thinking "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"...
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 13:25:21 GMT -5
- What I loved most about the previous story (MoKF #23) was that it showed a true bond beginning to develop among Shang-Chi, Blackjack Tarr, and Sir Dennis, but in this story, we learn that Sir Dennis put certain duplicitous plans in place to ensure Shang-Chi's cooperation, not considering him trustworthy. That irked me. This is something that continues to come up over the course of the series. While Shang and Denis clearly like and respect each other, there's always a bit of tension between them. Sir Denis is motivated by traditional values of duty, patriotism, etc., while Shang follows his own idiosyncratic moral code. Their agendas mostly overlap, but Denis will sometimes feel the need to bend the truth, withhold information, or recontextualize a mission (e.g., framing it as something that will save innocent lives, rather than being just about spies and politics) in order to get Shang on board. You get the feeling that deep down, Denis wishes Shang would just be a good little soldier and do what he's told. And Shang must sometimes be thinking "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"... Interesting. I look forward to seeing this tension develop.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 14, 2014 0:30:31 GMT -5
Master of Kung Fu #24 Writer: Doug Moench Pencils: Al Milgrom; Jim Starlin; Alan Weiss; Walt Simonson Inks: Sal Trapani Colors: Petra Goldberg Letters: Dave Hunt Editor: Roy Thomas grade: B Inevitably, my grades of these stories are subjective, but I had a particularly hard time being fair in my grading of this issue. Last issue was a tremendous step forward for Moench's writing on this series. It was at least five times more entertaining than the stories that had come before it. But Giant Size #2, which was released immediately after, is yet another significant leap in the quality of the series and, itself, was at least five times more entertaining than the story that began last issue and is now continued here. At this point, Al Milgrom was supposed to be the new artist on the regular series, and the letter column says as much, but the fact that the penciling chores for this issue were passed around to no less than four artists suggests that something went awry. Of course, Gulacy just proved he's the perfect partner to Moench in GS #2, so it only makes sense to bring him in as a permanent replacement next issue. It's interesting, by the way, that Starlin was one of the pencilers who assisted on this issue, as Shang-Chi began with Starlin and Englehart. Clearly, this is not the kind of book Starlin was looking to do at this point in his career, though. Regarding the story itself, it makes some interesting decisions. It would seem that Moench was trying to further complicate the relationships among the central protagonists. Shang Chi ends up saving his father's life, which has the potential to complicate their otherwise purely antagonistic relationship down the road, as well as muddy the growing bond he's experienced with Sir Dennis and Blackjack Tarr as of last issue. But none of that really gets addressed here; it just opens the door for later complexity and growth. Then there's Fu Manchu's whole involvement with this story. In past issues, Moench kept Fu Manchu too far in the shadows; that enigmatic planner who would show up in a hovering helicopter at the end, only to escape to plot another day. Moench has now moved so far from that frustrating paradigm as to have Fu Manchu function as more of a protagonist in this story than Shang-Chi, depicted right there in the trenches, leading his men with cool brilliance. It's a fun idea, and yet it just doesn't make any sense. How can someone leading a worldwide criminal empire make the decision to lead his men into a dangerous trap? He wouldn't survive very long by continually doing that and, in fact, he only survives here because of Shang-Chi's involvement. Important Details: - Shang Chi saves Fu Manchu's life, deciding that he probably deserved to die, but not by the hands of an Arian supremacist who only wanted him dead because he was Asian. Minor Details: - This is the second time we see Shang Chi do some brilliant on the fly engineering. Once before he disabled a submarine torpedo on a moment's notice. Now he can quickly dismantle an atom bomb? Was this part of his Si Fan training that's just never been mentioned before? - One interesting note in the letter column. A fan writes in, spending multiple paragraphs praising Moench, and also briefly compliments Gulacy. Normally, you'd expect the editor to thank the reader and agree with his praise, but, in this case, Thomas(?) completely ignores anything that was said about Moench and tells the reader he hopes he'll enjoy the art of Al Milgrom as much as he enjoyed that of Gulacy. I know Moench was the low guy on the totem pole in the bullpen and that his work on Master of Kung Fu up to this point hadn't been amazing, but he was churning out an absurd quantity of work for Marvel at the time, even the soapbox praised his work on Planet of the Apes last month, and he had some exciting plans for Shang Chi next, so it seems a little odd to snub Moench like this here. plot synopsis in one sentence: Shang Chi is left for dead and pursues Fu Manchu on his own, Baron Bucher has set a trap for Fu Manchu, Fu Manchu knows this but willingly walks into it with his Si Fan, outfoxing Bucher's men by having half of his men come up from behind while the other half willingly walked into certain death, Bucher still manages to capture Fu Manchu, and Shang Chi saves him with Sir Dennis and Blackjack arriving just in time to similarly save Shang Chi' Bucher than goes to activate the secret weapon he has lured Fu Manchu with (an atom bomb; no surprise) only to learn that Shang Chi had disabled it.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 14, 2014 2:54:13 GMT -5
Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #6 "Lesson of the Locust!" Writer: Doug Moench Pencils: Mike Vosburg Inks: Bob McLeod Letters: Charlotte Jetter grade: C+ As far as Moench's more generic, Shang-Chi wanders through an American city, meets the worst of humanity, has to fight them, and walks away disappointed sort of scripts, this is pretty much the best of them in that it takes a tragic turn that leaves an impact on the character by the end. I actually felt something while reading it. However, Mike Vosburg's art hurts this story significantly. His layouts are great, but he absolutely cannot draw Shang-Chi. It's really hard to look at. Too bad that the magazine format Shang-Chi stories, the ones that best lend themselves to showcasing artistry, are the only ones not getting touched by Gulacy. And, between this story and the one that was just published in GS #2, what's with Moench and having women get accidentally killed? Minor Details: - Nice to show Shang Chi having spent a day as a laborer at a construction site in order to purchase a meal. I'm a bit surprised Sir Dennis isn't bankrolling him in exchange for his services though. plot synopsis in one sentence: Shang Chi goes to a diner, a girl arguing with her thug boyfriend decides to hit on Shang-Chi in order to make him jealous, a brief confrontation occurs in which Shang-Chi is the victor, the girl follows Shang-Chi to warn him that the boyfriend will come after him again to restore his reputation, and in the second confrontation, the girl is accidentally killed by the boyfriend, leaving Shang-Chi to give in to rage in a way that violates his training, and this haunts him afterward.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 14, 2014 8:48:13 GMT -5
Regarding that letters page's diss of Moench, it wouldn't have been Roy Thomas writing those answers (he was waaaaaaay too busy for that stuff apart from his own titles) but an assistant editor or other "armadillo." From what I gather, some of these guys used the letter columns to undermine the work of those creators they hoped to steal assignments from. (That was why Shooter ordered that letters page answers be signed when he took over as EIC.) On the other hand, it might well have been Doug himself answering the mail, in which case it would be understandable that he wouldn't chime in on praise for his own work.
Cei-U! I summon the alternatives!
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Post by shaxper on Nov 14, 2014 11:50:30 GMT -5
Regarding that letters page's diss of Moench, it wouldn't have been Roy Thomas writing those answers (he was waaaaaaay too busy for that stuff apart from his own titles) but an assistant editor or other "armadillo." From what I gather, some of these guys used the letter columns to undermine the work of those creators they hoped to steal assignments from. (That was why Shooter ordered that letters page answers be signed when he took over as EIC.) On the other hand, it might well have been Doug himself answering the mail, in which case it would be understandable that he wouldn't chime in on praise for his own work. Cei-U! I summon the alternatives! I doubt it was Doug himself, as I feel like I'm obsessed enough with the man's writing by this point to recognize his thought process, but yes, an assistant editor would make more sense. Didn't know about the Shooter policy. Wow. Who knew he made an edict at Marvel that was actually perceived as being fair to the creative talents?
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