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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 25, 2021 16:08:18 GMT -5
I read Justice League of America #85-88. Denny O'Neil then Mike Friedrich. I love my preachy 70's comics! I have a certain fondness for them but that doesn’t make them any less awful.
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 25, 2021 17:18:22 GMT -5
I read Justice League of America #85-88. Denny O'Neil then Mike Friedrich. I love my preachy 70's comics! I have a certain fondness for them but that doesn’t make them any less awful. I don't mind comics taking a stance on something so long as they don't try and beat you over the head with it. You should try and make the reader think about what you say, not by saying "this is right/this is wrong" even when it's obvious
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Post by badwolf on Sept 25, 2021 17:56:20 GMT -5
I know I post this sentence often, but I bought the trade at Ollie's Outlet a week ago, and it was like 6 bucks ($35.00 retail) I HAVE to find an Ollies! I've only found a couple things of value at mine:
A silver age Teen Titans Archives (Vol. 2), which I got because I hoped it contained a Neal Adams story I remembered reading as a kid in a digest. (It did.)
Weirdworld trade paperback
Mostly it's modern stuff that I don't like or care about.
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Post by MDG on Sept 25, 2021 19:30:13 GMT -5
I know I post this sentence often, but I bought the trade at Ollie's Outlet a week ago, and it was like 6 bucks ($35.00 retail) I HAVE to find an Ollies! Finding one is Only half the battle. The trick is to get there after they get a shipment in but before they've been picked clean by aging fanboys. I gotta say, though, I often wonder how huge this warehouse full of unsold graphic novels is. Marvel and DC must've really overestimated the demand for some of these books.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 25, 2021 21:58:08 GMT -5
The first time I went to my local Ollies (after mrp pointed it out and I googled it to find one only about 20 minutes away), I was amazed at the stuff they had, and bought a bunch. that was like 2 years ago. I've been back 3 times since.. once specifically because their email flyer mentioned comics, and they've had very little new stuff. The prose novels were the same. Not sure if they're better in other parts of the country, but for me it was kinda a one shot.
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 26, 2021 14:30:15 GMT -5
The first time I went to my local Ollies (after mrp pointed it out and I googled it to find one only about 20 minutes away), I was amazed at the stuff they had, and bought a bunch. that was like 2 years ago. I've been back 3 times since.. once specifically because their email flyer mentioned comics, and they've had very little new stuff. The prose novels were the same. Not sure if they're better in other parts of the country, but for me it was kinda a one shot. I was surprised to find out that we had one here in Mobile. I've heard that it's not that great though
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Post by badwolf on Sept 26, 2021 15:52:01 GMT -5
Started the Man-Thing omnibus. Odd character to collect, not that I'm complaining.
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 26, 2021 16:30:24 GMT -5
Started the Man-Thing omnibus. Odd character to collect, not that I'm complaining. After reading through the individual issues and loving it, I think I might buy it at some point along with this
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Post by spoon on Sept 26, 2021 20:13:30 GMT -5
I read Uncanny X-Men #141-147 (via X-Men Classics reprint and the Days of Future Past TPB, except for #142, which I bought about a year ago because the TPB doesn't reprint the last page).
UXM #141-143 credit Claremont and Byrne as co-plotters, whereas the Wendigo arc in #139-140 credited Byrne as plotter and Claremont as writer, so I assume Claremont only scripted those issues. I think of Mystique as an X-Men villain, but she had actually showed up as a Ms. Marvel villain before she becomes the leader of the new Brotherhood here. Kitty is new to the cast, but she gets so much spotlight so early. She puts the Days of Future Past story into motion (although she is largely on the sidelines for the both the present and future battles, until the pivotal moment). She already building links in the team by flirting with Peter (and being shown as his wife in the future), become Storm's pet, and bringing a supporting cast member into the fold with Stevie Hunter as her dance teacher. Storm parental feeling for Kitty develops so quickly that she's quickly jealous of Stevie. Then, we get the classic solo story of Kitty verus a N'Garai demon in #143.
#144 is odd little one-off, with Cyclops and Lee Forrester dealing with D'Spayre and the Man-Thing (out of left field as far as X-Men villain and guest star go) in a story by guest art team of Brent Anderson and Josef Rubenstin. I had forgotten Anderson penciled this, because Rubinstein exerts such a strong influence. While Maddie Pryor and Emma Frost have their supporters, I think Lee Forrester is my favorite non-Jean love interest for Cyclops.
Then, #145-147 marks the first arc of Dave Cockrum's return. I don't if it's a change in Cockrum's style or Rubinstein staying on as inker, but the art is not as strong here as in his first run. A lot of pages are spent on the mechanics of booby traps. One thing I like here is that other characters are brought into the mix. Friends and family of the X-Men are taken hostage (and already Stevie Hunter is hostage-worthy), and I think this is the first time we've seen Illyana since Giant-Size X-Men. There's a team of former members (Iceman, Havok, Polaris, and Banshee) who are recruited to rescue the hostages held by Arcade's assistant Miss Locke, while the regular team goes after Doctor Doom. I think for all for several of the former members this might be the last time we see them in X-Men for quite a while. I can't remember if maybe Alex shows up again later in the Cockrum run when the Starjammers come to Earth. Maybe to balance out the Kitty-heavy previous stories, she's ill and out of action for this arc.
The Dark Phoenix Saga isn't in the rearview mirror, as Scott's grief is a plot point in #144, and the potential for Storm getting similarly consumed by immense power comes up in #147. The latter seems intended to show redemption or learning from Jean's loss, but does come across about as diluting a story that should be given more time to stand on its own for how great it was.
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Post by badwolf on Sept 26, 2021 20:55:01 GMT -5
I read Uncanny X-Men #141-147 (via X-Men Classics reprint and the Days of Future Past TPB, except for #142, which I bought about a year ago because the TPB doesn't reprint the last page). UXM #141-143 credit Claremont and Byrne as co-plotters, whereas the Wendigo arc in #139-140 credited Byrne as plotter and Claremont as writer, so I assume Claremont only scripted those issues. I think of Mystique as an X-Men villain, but she had actually showed up as a Ms. Marvel villain before she becomes the leader of the new Brotherhood here. Kitty is new to the cast, but she gets so much spotlight so early. She puts the Days of Future Past story into motion (although she is largely on the sidelines for the both the present and future battles, until the pivotal moment). She already building links in the team by flirting with Peter (and being shown as his wife in the future), become Storm's pet, and bringing a supporting cast member into the fold with Stevie Hunter as her dance teacher. Storm parental feeling for Kitty develops so quickly that she's quickly jealous of Stevie. Then, we get the classic solo story of Kitty verus a N'Garai demon in #143. #144 is odd little one-off, with Cyclops and Lee Forrester dealing with D'Spayre and the Man-Thing (out of left field as far as X-Men villain and guest star go) in a story by guest art team of Brent Anderson and Josef Rubenstin. I had forgotten Anderson penciled this, because Rubinstein exerts such a strong influence. While Maddie Pryor and Emma Frost have their supporters, I think Lee Forrester is my favorite non-Jean love interest for Cyclops. Then, #145-147 marks the first arc of Dave Cockrum's return. I don't if it's a change in Cockrum's style or Rubinstein staying on as inker, but the art is not as strong here as in his first run. A lot of pages are spent on the mechanics of booby traps. One thing I like here is that other characters are brought into the mix. Friends and family of the X-Men are taken hostage (and already Stevie Hunter is hostage-worthy), and I think this is the first time we've seen Illyana since Giant-Size X-Men. There's a team of former members (Iceman, Havok, Polaris, and Banshee) who are recruited to rescue the hostages held by Arcade's assistant Miss Locke, while the regular team goes after Doctor Doom. I think for all for several of the former members this might be the last time we see them in X-Men for quite a while. I can't remember if maybe Alex shows up again later in the Cockrum run when the Starjammers come to Earth. Maybe to balance out the Kitty-heavy previous stories, she's ill and out of action for this arc. The Dark Phoenix Saga isn't in the rearview mirror, as Scott's grief is a plot point in #144, and the potential for Storm getting similarly consumed by immense power comes up in #147. The latter seems intended to show redemption or learning from Jean's loss, but does come across about as diluting a story that should be given more time to stand on its own for how great it was. #144 seems to me to be a "remake" of the Marvel Team-Up that also featured Man-Thing and D'Spayre. Much of the plot is the same. But I think the X-Men issue is far, far better. Lee Forrester was my favorite as well.
I don't think Alex shows up again until after issue #200, when the team also includes Dazzler and Longshot.
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Post by spoon on Sept 26, 2021 21:28:02 GMT -5
I read Uncanny X-Men #141-147 (via X-Men Classics reprint and the Days of Future Past TPB, except for #142, which I bought about a year ago because the TPB doesn't reprint the last page). UXM #141-143 credit Claremont and Byrne as co-plotters, whereas the Wendigo arc in #139-140 credited Byrne as plotter and Claremont as writer, so I assume Claremont only scripted those issues. I think of Mystique as an X-Men villain, but she had actually showed up as a Ms. Marvel villain before she becomes the leader of the new Brotherhood here. Kitty is new to the cast, but she gets so much spotlight so early. She puts the Days of Future Past story into motion (although she is largely on the sidelines for the both the present and future battles, until the pivotal moment). She already building links in the team by flirting with Peter (and being shown as his wife in the future), become Storm's pet, and bringing a supporting cast member into the fold with Stevie Hunter as her dance teacher. Storm parental feeling for Kitty develops so quickly that she's quickly jealous of Stevie. Then, we get the classic solo story of Kitty verus a N'Garai demon in #143. #144 is odd little one-off, with Cyclops and Lee Forrester dealing with D'Spayre and the Man-Thing (out of left field as far as X-Men villain and guest star go) in a story by guest art team of Brent Anderson and Josef Rubenstin. I had forgotten Anderson penciled this, because Rubinstein exerts such a strong influence. While Maddie Pryor and Emma Frost have their supporters, I think Lee Forrester is my favorite non-Jean love interest for Cyclops. Then, #145-147 marks the first arc of Dave Cockrum's return. I don't if it's a change in Cockrum's style or Rubinstein staying on as inker, but the art is not as strong here as in his first run. A lot of pages are spent on the mechanics of booby traps. One thing I like here is that other characters are brought into the mix. Friends and family of the X-Men are taken hostage (and already Stevie Hunter is hostage-worthy), and I think this is the first time we've seen Illyana since Giant-Size X-Men. There's a team of former members (Iceman, Havok, Polaris, and Banshee) who are recruited to rescue the hostages held by Arcade's assistant Miss Locke, while the regular team goes after Doctor Doom. I think for all for several of the former members this might be the last time we see them in X-Men for quite a while. I can't remember if maybe Alex shows up again later in the Cockrum run when the Starjammers come to Earth. Maybe to balance out the Kitty-heavy previous stories, she's ill and out of action for this arc. The Dark Phoenix Saga isn't in the rearview mirror, as Scott's grief is a plot point in #144, and the potential for Storm getting similarly consumed by immense power comes up in #147. The latter seems intended to show redemption or learning from Jean's loss, but does come across about as diluting a story that should be given more time to stand on its own for how great it was. #144 seems to me to be a "remake" of the Marvel Team-Up that also featured Man-Thing and D'Spayre. Much of the plot is the same. But I think the X-Men issue is far, far better. Lee Forrester was my favorite as well.
I don't think Alex shows up again until after issue #200, when the team also includes Dazzler and Longshot.
Yeah, I thought maybe Alex and Lorna weren't around again until that point, but Cockrum's second run is something I haven't re-read so much and is foggy in memory. That's why I'm not entirely sure if he was part of the Summers family reunion with Corsair.
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Post by earl on Sept 26, 2021 22:10:13 GMT -5
After Mantlo's run on Peter Parker you also get some of Peter David's early work on the title which was also good.
I do think Spectacular and Marvel Team Up get a bit of a shift in deference to Amazing Spider-man in reprints. The early years of both of those titles do tie in pretty well to the main series. Mantlo's run taking place mostly at Empire State as Pete is in grad school as the setting.
I'm also always surprised that Michael Golden X-Men/Spider-man story in the Savage Land from Marvel Fanfare never gets reprinted along side other reprints of the era. That's also true of quite a few Marvel Team up issues too...I guess one of these days they will do an X-men Omnibus and collect all those side stories but they would make better sense reprinted in order with the other titles I would think. Oh well...
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Post by berkley on Sept 26, 2021 22:58:47 GMT -5
Started the Man-Thing omnibus. Odd character to collect, not that I'm complaining. After reading through the individual issues and loving it, I think I might buy it at some point along with this
First I've heard about this, definitely will be looking for a copy.
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Post by MDG on Sept 27, 2021 13:42:00 GMT -5
One of the books I picked up for free last week was World's Finest #322. It wasn;t 'til I was driving home that I realized that the art was by one of my favorite pairings, Giffen and Kesel. The book was a little odd; it's written by Dwight Jon Zimmerman who only did a couple other stories at DC and the lettering was by Duncan Andrews who didn;t seem to stay in the business long. The lettering's consistent and legible, but noticeably "off" DC's usual standards. Also, I get the feeling this was written as a Batman story that was rejiggered and shoehorned into World's Finest because of whatever Moench was doing in Batman and Detective. Superman is taken out of the story by a blood ray that could kill him, which would usually be a much bigger thing. The main plot is about a midwest cop who comes to Metropolis to find out what happened to her twin sister who got mixed up with the mob. Straightforward and no real surprises, but nicely done. Anyway, the art is Giffen at his Giffeniest, so I'm all in.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 27, 2021 15:03:14 GMT -5
One of the books I picked up for free last week was World's Finest #322. (...) I lost interest in World's Finest after it switched from dollar to standard format. Now I kind of regret that, as apparently there are some hidden gems in there.
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