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Post by Batflunkie on May 3, 2020 19:23:50 GMT -5
Was Princess Charma from some kind of magical fairy land? I vaguely remember the character as a semi-girlfriend to hot Stuff... an odd couple of good and evil only in the mild-mannered cute Harvey style? I think I mostly bought Sad Sack so I don't remember a lot from the other Harvey titles, but I did have something with Charma in it, totally forgotten until now. I have no idea. Haven't read enough of Hot Stuff unfortunately to really know. Do like the character a lot though, he had a far more different vibe than the other Harvey titles out there. Same with Spooky
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Post by Farrar on May 5, 2020 14:04:21 GMT -5
Hot Stuff Sizzlers #10 Fun little read for what it was, a few one page gag strips and few full length (three-to-five page) stories, similar to Archie books. I think my favorite was The Magnetic Fork purely for the world building as it introduces Hot Stuff's Uncle I loved those Harvey giants. I read mostly Wendy Witch World and I remember I got such a kick out of the little "TV screens" or "channels" (as I called them back then) on the side. With each succeeding Wendy giant the channel personnel sometimes changed or the channel order would change, and I liked the notion of a shifting cast of characters. And the large cast indicated to me that there was shared Harvey universe, so I was a shared universe "expert" before I moved onto Marvel
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Post by Hoosier X on May 5, 2020 15:21:24 GMT -5
Hot Stuff Sizzlers #10 Fun little read for what it was, a few one page gag strips and few full length (three-to-five page) stories, similar to Archie books. I think my favorite was The Magnetic Fork purely for the world building as it introduces Hot Stuff's Uncle I loved those Harvey giants. I read mostly Wendy Witch World and I remember I got such a kick out of the little "TV screens" or "channels" (as I called them back then) on the side. With each succeeding Wendy giant the channel personnel sometimes changed or the channel order would change, and I liked the notion of a shifting cast of characters. And the large cast indicated to me that there was shared Harvey universe, so I was a shared universe "expert" before I moved onto Marvel So ... is Hot Stuff a baby devil with a mommy devil and a daddy devil? Or was he a really evil baby who died very young and went to hell and became a devil that way?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 5, 2020 15:36:00 GMT -5
I loved those Harvey giants. I read mostly Wendy Witch World and I remember I got such a kick out of the little "TV screens" or "channels" (as I called them back then) on the side. With each succeeding Wendy giant the channel personnel sometimes changed or the channel order would change, and I liked the notion of a shifting cast of characters. And the large cast indicated to me that there was shared Harvey universe, so I was a shared universe "expert" before I moved onto Marvel So ... is Hot Stuff a baby devil with a mommy devil and a daddy devil? Or was he a really evil baby who died very young and went to hell and became a devil that way? Maybe we'll find out after Geoff Johns finishes the 12 issue series about the Origin of his diaper.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 6, 2020 16:35:53 GMT -5
I'm still reading Steve Ditko Spider-Man from Amazing Fantasy #15 to Spider-Man #38 (and I always include #39 and #40 because that finishes off the first act of the Green Goblin story). #16 is always fun. Spidey and Daredevil fight the Ringmaster and his Circus of Crime! Aunt May, the Bugle staff and the Midtown High cast get mostly sidelined for an issue that's all ACTION ACTION ACTION as the story focuses on the guest star and the Circus of Crime! I read this one very early when I was reading comics because it's in the old Lancer Spider-Man paperback that my grandma had on her back porch bookshelf for some reason. I read it over and over back in the late 1970s, but it's not an issue that I'm particularly obsessed with, so I don't read it EXCEPT when I'm reading all the Ditko Spider-Man issues. So reading it this time, well, it was pretty fresh! Awesome comic! This next batch of issues, #17 to #19, is one of my favorite runs in all of comics history! It starts with #17, when the Green Goblin returns and attacks Spidey at the Spider-Man Fan Club meeting. Everybody is there! Jameson, Flash, Betty, Liz, as well as Johhny Storm and Dorrie Evans! And, as many times as I've read this story, I just came across something I never noticed before. The Goblin, his face obscured, gets into his civilian clothes and steps out into the street … and the caption tells us - as he passes Peter Parker on the sidewalk - that the two foes don't recognize each other and its a whim of fate (or something). So … that means that the Goblin can't be Jameson or anybody else that Parker knows by sight. Now, maybe Ditko didn't come up with the idea that the Goblin would turn out to be Jameson until later. But this sequence in Spider-Man #17 is problematic for the whole idea. During the fight, Spidey overhears somebody talking on the phone and finds out that Aunt May has taken ill, so he runs out! And of course he gets branded a coward! Which is the premise of #18. he whole cast gets a lot to do in this one. (Well, except for Spider-Man!) Jameson is gloating! Betty is upset because she thinks Peter likes Liz better than her. Aunt May is recovering and she even manages to walk down the stairs for one of my favorite Aunt May moments of all time. Flash is defending Spidey all over the place. Liz is playing Flash and Peter off of each other as usual. And the Sandman chases Spidey around for a few pages until Spidey can ditch him. One of my favorites! This comics has no super-hero fights and is as interesting as any issue in the whole run of Spider-Man! And it comes to a rousing conclusion in #19 with an issue that's nothing but fighting! Throw in the Enforcers - I love the Enforcers! - and the Human Torch, and this is another great issue! I got as far as Spider-Man #20 a couple of nights ago. I love this one too! I think its the first time that Jameson actually puts his own money into a scheme to stop Spider-Man. He is crossing a line here, but it's a line that he crosses repeatedly over the next ten or twenty or thirty years, and I'm not sure that he ever paid a price for it. What do they call it? Affluenza! I realized I had forgotten to read Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 (it takes place between #15 and #17) and so that's next on my list. This is my favorite comic book ever!
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Post by Cei-U! on May 7, 2020 7:30:14 GMT -5
Spidey #18 was the comic I gave my 8th grade English teacher to show her that comics could handle human drama as well as superhuman violence. She didn't exactly become a fan but she conceded my point and stopped giving me grief about reading them.
Cei-U! Thanks, stan and Steve!
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Post by dbutler69 on May 7, 2020 9:28:47 GMT -5
I read Captain America #280-281. I especially liked #280, where he battled the Scarecrow. Some nice philosophical/moral internal debating by Cap in this one. #281 features the 50's Bucky and Spider-Woman along with Shenanigans by Viper and is continued into #282, so I'd better get on that one.
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Post by dbutler69 on May 7, 2020 9:35:54 GMT -5
I'm also reading the whole run of The Further Adventures of Indiana Jones. I'm up to #16 now. I've read a few random issues before but never the whole run. I'm enjoying this series a lot! It "feels" like a continuation of Raiders of the Lost Ark, and I like Marion as a sometime partner of Indy. It's been mostly Dave Michelinie thus far and the art has been mostly quite good.
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Post by corona on May 7, 2020 10:08:20 GMT -5
Finished all of "DC" and "Marvel" superhero comics from 1938 and 1939 using mikesamazingworld's newsstand as a guide. Currently in 1940. Not my first walk in the park with Action, Detective, Batman, or Superman in order but now I have a better context and could compare them with other heroes. I am 70 years old and started reading comics in the mid to late 1950s. Sadly I am not into much of the Golden Age so far outside of Superman and Batman, and many of their 1940 stories are skippable. I guess I was spoiled with the house style of Curt Swan in the 1960s+ and the Marvel Revolution. I'm beginning to think Sturgeon's Law applies to all decades. Sub-Mariner started off with a great debut, but tapered off so far. Same with Human Torch, Captain America, Spectre, Green Lantern. Flash, Hawkman, Dr. Fate, All-Stars, etc. Johnny Thunder was always a comedy character, I see- like a comic strip act. In fact many stories in these anthologies are closer to comic strips than what we think as comic books. Bored with the simple plots, no real characterizations/motivations, and no real super-villains (outside of the Joker, Ultra-Humanite, Luthor, etc.) Most stories involve gangsters, scammers, corruption, detective mysteries, damsels in distress, etc. not really the high sci-fi fantasy heroic action stuff. At least Superman has social issues he conquers although I wish Lois was be a little nicer to Clark. So far most of the artwork has been bad, with inconsistent costumes and weird panel layouts and word balloons. It is a good exercise from the historical perspective, however. I understand these creators were the trope-setters, pioneers, etc. and worked for little money, and treated it as low brow entertainment. Hopefully each year I go will evolve and they stories will get better. As it stands at the moment I am getting a greater appreciation for The Silver Age and beyond in terms of artwork and storytelling. In fact, I am getting a little anxious for the 1960s-1980s already. I don't mean to sound negative, but it's hard to hide disappointment when I am lucky to find a few good issues. Can't recommend it to the curious fan. Even when people get excited about Action #1...the story continues in Action #2, and it's a downer.
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Post by dbutler69 on May 7, 2020 10:26:26 GMT -5
Finished all of "DC" and "Marvel" superhero comics from 1938 and 1939 using mikesamazingworld's newsstand as a guide. Currently in 1940. Not my first walk in the park with Action, Detective, Batman, or Superman in order but now I have a better context and could compare them with other heroes. I am 70 years old and started reading comics in the mid to late 1950s. Sadly I am not into much of the Golden Age so far outside of Superman and Batman, and many of their 1940 stories are skippable. I guess I was spoiled with the house style of Curt Swan in the 1960s+ and the Marvel Revolution. I'm beginning to think Sturgeon's Law applies to all decades. Sub-Mariner started off with a great debut, but tapered off so far. Same with Human Torch, Captain America, Spectre, Green Lantern. Flash, Hawkman, Dr. Fate, All-Stars, etc. Johnny Thunder was always a comedy character, I see- like a comic strip act. In fact many stories in these anthologies are closer to comic strips than what we think as comic books. Bored with the simple plots, no real characterizations/motivations, and no real super-villains (outside of the Joker, Ultra-Humanite, Luthor, etc.) Most stories involve gangsters, scammers, corruption, detective mysteries, damsels in distress, etc. not really the high sci-fi fantasy heroic action stuff. At least Superman has social issues he conquers although I wish Lois was be a little nicer to Clark. So far most of the artwork has been bad, with inconsistent costumes and weird panel layouts and word balloons. It is a good exercise from the historical perspective, however. I understand these creators were the trope-setters, pioneers, etc. and worked for little money, and treated it as low brow entertainment. Hopefully each year I go will evolve and they stories will get better. As it stands at the moment I am getting a greater appreciation for The Silver Age and beyond in terms of artwork and storytelling. In fact, I am getting a little anxious for the 1960s-1980s already. I don't mean to sound negative, but it's hard to hide disappointment when I am lucky to find a few good issues. Can't recommend it to the curious fan. Even when people get excited about Action #1...the story continues in Action #2, and it's a downer. Well, I've read All-Star Comics #4-9 in the past few weeks, and I can't say you're wrong. It's been kinda disappointing, but like you I guess I'm reading them for the comic book history perspective more than the quality of the stories. I've got volume 1 of the Batman Chronicles and Superman Chronicles, and while I haven't read them in a long time, my impression is that they were better than what I'm reading now in All-Star Comics. I'll have to get around to reading some Spirit and Plastic Man one of these days, as I get the impression they're the most highly regarded Golden Age comics.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 7, 2020 11:22:55 GMT -5
A few random reactions: I love that DeMatteis-Zeck run of Captain America. It's right up there with the Simon & Kirby, Englehart-Sal Buscema and Stern-Byrne runs in my estimation.
Good news, Corona (and welcome aboard): DC does become batter reading as the '40s progress. Plots stay simple, there is little episode-to-episode continuity, and charcterization is functional at best. Having said that, the art improves pretty much across the line, dialogue becomes snappier and wittier, and the storytelling becomes more exciting, particularly after the arrival of Simon & Kirby. There's no mistaking that the material is aimed at children (and handcuffed by the dictates of the company's Editorial Advisory Board beginning in '41), so if you're okay with that, they're a lot of fun. Cei-U! I summon the summation!
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Post by Rob Allen on May 7, 2020 13:20:56 GMT -5
So … that means that the Goblin can't be Jameson or anybody else that Parker knows by sight. Now, maybe Ditko didn't come up with the idea that the Goblin would turn out to be Jameson until later. I thought Steve always knew who the Goblin was, and intentionally put him in scenes at Jameson's club as part of the buildup to the eventual reveal. Just did a little googling and found where I got this idea. From Comic Book Legends Revealed #400 www.cbr.com/comic-book-legends-revealed-400-part-1/
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Post by beccabear67 on May 7, 2020 14:38:26 GMT -5
I thought Sheldon Moldoff's Hawkman in the early Flash Comics looked pretty cool, was always meaning to check out more than the bits I saw/read... other than that I'm thinking Quality Comics may have been the best heroic comics publisher in the earliest years with Plastic Man, Blackhawk, Dollman, Kid Eternity, and any of the characters Lou Fine worked on like The Ray and Black Condor.
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Post by Batflunkie on May 7, 2020 15:55:21 GMT -5
I love that DeMatteis-Zeck run of Captain America. It's right up there with the Simon & Kirby, Englehart-Sal Buscema and Stern-Byrne runs in my estimation. I'm kind of partial to Roger McKenzie's run. Doesn't ever get enough love
About almost done with DeMatteis' run and I've liked it. Definitely felt like a throwback to Kirby
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Post by berkley on May 8, 2020 0:48:47 GMT -5
Much as I liked Mike Zeck's work on MoKF, I think his style was in some ways probably more suited to a superhero character like Captain America than to a relatively realstic spy-drama. Specifically, I always thought his Shang-Chi was a little too heavily muscled, and the online images I've seen of his CA work tend to confirm my opinion that his anatomy works better with the more exaggerated superhero world.
So while I'm highly sceptical about 80s Marvel in general - I quit reading their stuff at the time for a reason - I'm tentatively adding the De Matteis/Zeck CA run to my list of things I might go back and try someday
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